Blanca_Diesel (Combatlog & stalling RP, metagaming, lying in /do)

[TheCactus]

Player(s) being reported: ID 74
Date of interaction reported: 06/MARCH/2020 17:10
Unix time stamp from HUD: 1583514717

Your characters name: Samuele Colonna

Other player(s) involved: Samuel Martin, Dante Watson, Lex Roth, Xoza Shadow.

Specific rule(s) broken:
 

Non-Roleplay (NRP)

• Actions that are unrealistic or promote poor quality roleplay are considered as non-roleplay.

• Examples of actions that are considered as non-roleplay:

• Cop Baiting - Provoking a reaction from emergency services without a realistic reason.

• Mercy Killing - Asking to be killed by a friend (Killing a friend falls under deathmatching).

• Unrealistic stunt jumping or the use of an expensive vehicle to ram into other vehicles.

• Spawning a scripted work vehicle and using it for crimes or submerging any vehicle in water.

• Swimming in water for an unrealistic amount of time or without a destination during a chase.

• Players who disconnect during roleplay must reconnect and inform other parties in order to resume roleplay. If you are unable to reconnect it may be excused after providing proof.

• In a situation where a player gets away from an incident where they're being chased/pursued, they must wait 15 minutes before they can logout. Players should not instigate roleplay situations if they do not have time to play it through. 

• Players who ignore answering roleplay commands directed at them, e.g. /do.

• In a situation where a player’s game crashes or the player is kicked from the server, they should be allowed to have the same advantages as they have had before their leave.

• Players should not deprive other players of roleplay, e.g. early on the interaction asking them not to speak unless it makes sense in the roleplay situation.

 

Metagaming (MG)

• Metagaming is the act of relaying IC information through any method not considered IC that has the potential to change current or future roleplay scenarios or using that information. 

• Mixing IC and OOC information without any benefit is a minor MG offense. For example, a player uses IC chat to call someone by their player ID displayed above their head.
   

 

 Powergaming (PG)

• Forceful roleplay that does not give the other player a chance to roleplay their own response is considered powergaming. Other players must be given a chance to roleplay outcomes of actions.

• Roleplay of unrealistic actions like super strength is another form of powergaming.

• All statements in /DO must be factually true in the roleplay as it sets grounds for roleplay.

• Roleplay is required before forceful server commands which may be used without consent from the other party if they are unresponsive and not typing for 30 seconds or more. 

• A player cannot use the faction management script to destroy a faction as it is OOC.

• Government funded faction members must not abuse the salary system and must go off-duty when they are not performing their faction duties.

• If you perform an action which will influence potential RP in the future, you must have OOC evidence of performing said RP. 

  • OOC evidence should consist of a recording or screenshot and it needs to be timestamped (/time).

  • RP would only be valid for 48 hours or until your character dies and NLR is triggered. The time limit does not apply to rule 7.

How did the player break the rule(s)?

Let's start from the beginning:
Tab_Yez (or Blanca_Diesel) spends his time "scamming" people in NCZs. Why did I use the quotation marks? Because he is not really scamming. What he is doing is tell his name to the other party, maybe even show his face and license, sign a contract with his name and after the /transfervehicle or after he receives the money, he just dips. When we he does /transfervehicle
we usually have all the IC evidence to determine that he's the suspect but then he just gives the car to someone else through /transfervehicle so at the end we are just talking about abusing the script. When the name "Tab Yez" got added to the Wall of Scammers topic he had a really hard time scamming people so he created a fresh character, Blanca Diesel.
I am not against scamming in an NCZ but when you don't use more then two neurons to do it, get caught because you don't do it smart but take the risk anyway because GTA and Fraud are just 90 mins in jail and the reward is high, it's not really scamming.

Blanca Diesel, as far as I know ICly, scammed two individuals without caring of the consequences because during the next 20+ days after both situations, every time I checked except today, he was offline. The situation I am talking about is fleeing with the car of an off-duty police officer right after showing his license to him and signing a contract right after the /transfervehicle. All this happened at the bank so we had all the CCTV footage we needed.

Now I am gonna talk about what happened today:
After exactly 3 weeks of waiting for him to be online I get told that he is injured at the church in Paleto. I get there and arrest him but the Novo Los Aztecas took the Neon. My informant, who is trying to keep visual of the vehicle, gets rammed by NLA vehicles (Tab Yez is in Novo Los Aztecas but Blanca Diesel have nothing to do with gangs, does not have a criminal record and does not wear gang clothes nor has gang colors; probably does not even know them ICly or never spent time with them). Apparently the NLA guys that took the vehicle were helping Blanca Diesel (since they never chopped the Neon) by taking the car just because his alt is in the gang.

While we try to locate the car, after the arrest, I decide to RPly check the location of the car by taking Blanca Diesel's phone and asking him to do /showvehicles and that's when he decides to combatlog and come back in 50 minutes, when the RP is dead and the vehicle has been secured by a friend who is actively staying inside so I cannot locate it. We arrest him again after the 50 minutes and proceed with the RP even if now he's got the advantage of his friend staying in the car. Before we arrested him, he said that he was about to disconnect. I do not think that he would have disconnected while his 1 milion dollars car is in front of a parking full of gang members that he does not know and while he is injured at Sandy Shores MD. He does not know them becuase he spent very little time on that character. After the combatlog he said he lost connection, right when I was RPing to use the insurance tracker to find the car.

We kept him in the cell but someone (my guess is a friend) was staying in the car since he told us in /do that he cannot locate the car because it's moving. After one hour of waiting we decide to let him go because whoever is in the car is not going to chop it or leave the car for us to track it (which is hella unusual) and never interracted with Blanca_Diesel ICly because we were always there.

After letting him go, I ask him once more to let me check his phone for the location of the car. He starts stalling by ignoring me for the first 2 minutes, he then tells me in /do that his phone would show that is not able to locate the car. I ask him for a screenshot, he takes his time and sends a screenshot on discord. I carefully check the chat and I see that he scrolled up and took a screenshot of the /showvehicles as he could see it when he was in the cells. I ask for an explenation and then he tells me that he cannot do /Showvehicles again because the command has a cooldown. I then tell him on discord that I will wait so in the meanwhile "the friend" probably got back in the car. After 4 minutes of me waiting, he sends a screenshot with the current /showvehicles, showing once again that someone is in the car but for the past 2 hours, he did not even go close to the chop shop (I had someone there, checking the area).
 

To summarize:

• he combatlogs when we try to RP using his mors insurance tracker to find the car for the first time and comes back when he has a friend ready to drive it for at least one full hour without going close to the area(s) where I have people looking for it (Paleto Church, chop shop, etc..).
• The NLA helped him by ramming the pursuers even if he does not have ties with them ICly but his alt is Tab Yez, a member of the NLA.
• He stalls when I catch him off guard at the end and sends me a screenshot of the chat from when we were in the cells. He then stalls for more time and finally shows me the screenshot I was waiting for.
• During all this time someone was helping him by driving the car around but he does not use his phone or a radio to communicate with anyone.

If I take one of these previous by themselves it is not enough proof but all this evidence together and him constantly trying to stall the RP by using OOC means is incredible. I have never experienced such slow RP and coordinated action without any kind of direct communication between the involved parties.

For me and for those who assisted, it was very hard to RP accordingly. All this OOC stalling and the usage of OOC means to gain advantage (or time) during this scenario made me think I should take a break from ECRP. There is enough to prove that the reported party tries in any way to gain advantage ICly, over other players, by using any mean necessary (all of them OOC, from combatlogging to stalling and finally metagaming). This, in my honest opinion and without trying to offend anyone, is a disgusting way to play on the server. How are WE supposted to ROLEPLAY if the other party does not give us the opportunity to win the scenario by using OOC means? We had all the needed IC evidence but with all he did we never actually managed to find the car while Blanca Diesel was online (so we could scriptly take it away from him). While Blanca Diesel was offline, Tab Yez was driving the Neon in more than one occasion (according to an OOC friend that does not want to have anything to deal with this bullshit). If I check the current owner, after some time, I expect to see another owner because he is of course going to transfer a 1 mil vehicle to someone he knows OOCly without demanding any kind of compensation just so we have a hard time to retrieve it. He is basically using Blanca Diesel as a copy of Tab Yez, playing with the same friends and knowing the same people and sharing goods between the two.
At this point I don't even know if I should call this roleplay. This is pure metagaming. If you analyze his logs for the last 3 weeks you will most likely agree with me.

Please check his logs and see if what he was saying in /Do was true, who was driving his car for the past hours, why he did not communicate at all with the people that were helping him and what was the outcome of the last /showvehicles when I caught him off guard.
I wonder what he is doing because this is not the way people play on the server. There is more OOC interraction between his characters and people that his characters know than IC interrection.
I know that I am asking much but metagaming is hard to report and what I experienced is the opposite of roleplay.

Evidence of rule breach:

Combatlog when I try to RP taking his phone to track the car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CuVfkfBrGM&feature=youtu.be

Waiting:

After 25 minutes:


Him saying that he is tryna connect, he then ignores me for 30 minutes:

Informing me he's back when he has someone ready to stay in the car for hours:

Did the person that "stole" his car actually roleplay during all that time?

Me asking him for the last location of the vehicle (the last time I ask for /showvehicles) and he gives me the screenshot I was waiting for after 6 minutes:


Conversation on discord, waiting for the right screenshots:



First screenshot where he tries to deceive me by scrolling up the chat and screenshotting an old text:


followed by another one from when he did /showvehicles twice just so I have to wait more:

Edited March 7, 2020 by TheCactus

[YuSoHelpful]

@TheCactus

Thank you for making this player report.

Myself and @Metrooo will be taking on this player report. Please be patient as we will go over all the evidence and have to check multiple logs.

In the meantime, @JustTabed, could you give us your side of the story?

 

Kind Regards,
Administrator YuSoHelpful & Senior Support @Metrooo

[JustTabed]

Thanks for making the report.

To start let's talk about the "Combat log"

my internet crashed and I tried to log back in, I informed you on discord that my internet crash and asked a friend to PM you IG to let you know I was trying to get back in.
I even tried hot-spotting and logging in and it wouldn't connect until my internet returned, once I was back in I informed you on discord and IG to resume the RP, you told me there is no point but I still insisted on continuing. 

Once I met up with you I did everything you asked me to do, admins can check my log every single time I did /showvehicles it said there are no empty vehicles on the map. (Admin please confirm this)

I then spend 2.5hrs Roleplaying with you while you "Questioned" me transferring me place to place and questioning me with several people making me wait the whole time. 

After all that and 2.5hrs of my time you then told me that I had to stay with you for another 6HRS IRL until you would let me go This is a form of powergaming. police are not above server rules and have a privileged power above criminals IC as they are the judge, jury, and prosecutor in these situations. I then called an admin and he said NO to what you were doing. I was then released from you after the admin said you can not do that.
 I was released without ANY criminal charges after that whole ordeal.

Onto the metagaming 
There was no metagaming what so ever admins can check the logs all they want and no stalling what so ever, I complied with you OOC and IC in every way.

 "While Blanca Diesel was offline, Tab Yez was driving the Neon in more than one occasion (according to an OOC friend that does not want to have anything to deal with this bullshit)"

 more lies. admins, please feel free to check any logs and you will see that Tab Yez has never sat in that vehicle once!.

 "When the name "Tab Yez" got added to the Wall of Scammers topic he had a really hard time scamming people so he created a fresh character, Blanca Diesel." 

 Why are you saying false facts? When I was put on the wall of scammers it did not affect me in any way at all. If anyone knows about the wall of scammers they are not going to try to save 5% tax in the chance of getting scammed,
 This character only has 2.5k EXP if it was made for scamming this would have a long way to go before being at a trustworthy level. I got into an opportunity to scam someone and decided to take it. What your saying about making another character to avoid being on the wall of scammers is like saying you can not have 2 criminal Characters, It had nothing to do with the wall of scammers or made to scam at all its simply a second character.

  Now for the "Powergaming" 
I never once lied in any /dos please feel free to check in any way on my account. admins will check and see that my car never once came available on the map

after spending over 2.5hrs with you once I returned you still reported me for combat logging. if I was to combat log I would not inform you or try to resume the roleplay once I could log back in.

I feel like you are taking this scam personal since you are a friend with the officer who got scammed and are now taking it OOC.

[TheCactus]

Only and last reply to the topic before waiting admin's decision.

The fact that you disconnect right when I wanted to check the location of the car, is one of the sketchiest shit you've done.

I don't know how leaving you in a cell for 6 hours (24h in-game) falls under powergaming. I saw froggytommy next to you but he never said a word to us so if it wasn't for us getting bored and me having to go out for dinner, you would've stayed there.

Several people = me and my supervisor? Sounds like you're bad at counting.

The situation lasted those two hours and a half instead of one because you stalled. I had this kind of RP with a lot of people, you are not the first, so I can tell you that without any doubt.

If someone that says to be your friend (mostly OOCly) tells me you break many rules while playing, I point it out so staff members can check. I don't understand how you have the guts to call me a liar after all this.

Last but not least. I am friends with every single officer ICly except 5 of them. I have never talked OOCly to the person that got scammed before the incident so no, you are wrong. It is personal (for the whole Investigations Bureau) because we have to deal with you a lot and it is always a pain in the ass. It is because your way of roleplaying is relies entirely on the scripts and commands. If the /transfervehicle command would work in a better way you wouldn't even be able to scam a gps. Your RP lacks details and sometimes even lacks effort, that meaning the quality of the RP and of the interractions is LOW. Now you know the truth. No OOC hard feelings, vendetta, etc..

You still did not answer to:

the NLA helping you without knowing you ICly or without being a part of the gang or having connections ICly. As you said, the character has 2.5k EXP and has no criminal record. Why are they helping someone they have nothing to deal with?

Sending me a screenshot with the RP from the cells, therefore an attempt to deceive or to stall so you can have more time or get rid of me, trying to RP properly.

Why someone was in your car for the whole time (at least 1.5h) and was not going to chop the car or hit the hotspots of the city so people or officers could see it? Did the person that stole it RP at all in the meanwhile? Were you randomly able to find the car or did that person leave the car right after the two hours with us, so you could use it?

 

[HobGoblin]

Hello, I may have some more evidence to add to this report. I will edit this reply later when I have time. 

EDIT: this is a screenshot of what he’s trying to do.  ICly he is getting NLA to chopshop the vehicle. This seams like Non-rp as he is always with them and why would your friends destroy your vehicle. He is only doing this so the detectives can’t find the car. He is not very active on this account, this is shown with the amount of Xp he has.

 

This screenshot also shows that the person says that he drives the car on both accounts. How does he know where the car is with out metagaming?  
 

I also feel like disconnecting for 50 was a way to delay the rp so his friends that he knows OOCly could hide the car so we couldn’t find it. 

Edited March 7, 2020 by HobGoblin

[JustTabed]

"The fact that you disconnect right when I wanted to check the location of the car, is one of the sketchiest shit you've done."

- Upload the video with sound, you never once informed me you were going to use my gps to track the car i had no idea that you were going to do that. The guidelines even say you can not have videos tampered with.



"the NLA helping you without knowing you ICly or without being a part of the gang or having connections ICly. As you said, the character has 2.5k EXP and has no criminal record. Why are they helping someone they have nothing to deal with?"

- You go out of your way saying NLA was "helping", show me the proof of them helping. 



"The situation lasted those two hours and a half instead of one because you stalled. I had this kind of RP with a lot of people, you are not the first, so I can tell you that without any doubt."

- The situation lasted this long because you made it last this long all you have said is i stalled for a few minutes (witch is not true) but now your saying it took 1.5hrs longer because of it?



"I don't understand how you have the guts to call me a liar after all this."

- All you have done is call me a liar but when i tell you the information is a lie you have this to say?. Admin will yet again confirm that this is not true and you have been given more false information.



"Sending me a screenshot with the RP from the cells, therefore an attempt to deceive or to stall so you can have more time or get rid of me, trying to RP properly."

- We already went over this and the admin will confirm that not once was the car able to be located on the map.



Did you ever think to see how I was injured? they where the ones that injured me in the first place, if I want to drive to paleto i can drive to paleto plain and simple its GTA map it's not a very large one. the account has 2.5k exp, how am I supposed to build a relationship with anyone unless I start talking to people?. does my other criminal character prohibit me from talking and interacting with them? 
Everything you've said so far is based on pure speculation and lies. Your anonymous friend never saw me once drive in the neon, because I never drove it, nor did I log into my other character while this was happening. As for the screenshot your "friend" is clearly leading you with false information, admins will yet again confirm that i have never driven that car on Tab yez or even sat in the car as a passenger
In the screenshot you it seems that you are trying to metagame the information asking how he knows people IC to use for IC knowledge and asking where the car is being keept.

Your informant is Joe Wild's and was not even apart of NLA and hardly ever around and is currently perma banned right now.


To summarize, this report is based on pure speculation and false information. Nothing of what you have come forward with is true other than my internet and game crashing, it did take me 50 minutes to reconnect back. I notified you OOC and requested to resume roleplay when I was able to come back. Me not being able to come back faster is out of my hand, and I hope you can have some sympathy for that. 


I am not going to reply until an admin responds. 

[HobGoblin]

On 3/7/2020 at 8:13 PM, JustTabed said:

"the NLA helping you without knowing you ICly or without being a part of the gang or having connections ICly. As you said, the character has 2.5k EXP and has no criminal record. Why are they helping someone they have nothing to deal with?"

- You go out of your way saying NLA was "helping", show me the proof of them helping. 

 This screen shot here shows a NLR boasting about you scamming the neon. How would he know if you wasn't talking to them?

https://imgur.com/uLWT9eg

https://imgur.com/A8pMZRW

 

 

Edited March 9, 2020 by HobGoblin

[YuSoHelpful]

@JustTabed

You state the following:

 

On 3/7/2020 at 9:13 PM, JustTabed said:

"the NLA helping you without knowing you ICly or without being a part of the gang or having connections ICly. As you said, the character has 2.5k EXP and has no criminal record. Why are they helping someone they have nothing to deal with?" - You go out of your way saying NLA was "helping", show me the proof of them helping.

- Could you tell me who was helping you, by sitting inside your vehicle at all time? How did the communication go? Through radio/texts/discord?

- Does your other character know all the people in the NLA?

- Could you explain the statements made in the picture below? 

On 3/7/2020 at 7:11 PM, HobGoblin said:

- After checking your logs, why would you sell a 1 million dollar vehicle for such a low price?

- How does the NLA know about you scamming the Neon if you were never in contact with them?

- Do you also not feel that your sudden disconnect was conveniently timed and allowed for your car to be hidden by your friends?

 

Kind Regards,

Administrator YuSoHelpful & Senior Support @Metrooo

[JustTabed]

 

- Could you tell me who was helping you, by sitting inside your vehicle at all times? How did the communication go? Through radio/texts/discord?

 

There was no communication on anything else other than IC, They knew the car was scammed from IC information. 

 

The information from the image provided is from Joe Wilds who was given a trial and within 12 hours received a permanent ban from the server. This particular player was being given a chance to become part of the group and was in a “pre prospect” phase again on the 06th March and has no insider information to which is being alluded to in the image here. There is no truth in what is being discussed here as this car was never to be transferred and was intended as a profit only for this character to progress the storyline envisioned for Blanca. The car has never been driven by Tab Yez so this is misinformation. I hope this can be proven through a log of some kind. There was no discussion of this on the radio of any kind nor was anyone ever requested to sit in this/use chop, so I cannot respond to the falsities stated here. 

 

- After checking your logs, why would you sell a 1 million dollar vehicle for such a low price?

 

This was solely down to wanting a quick flip. The car was scammed for zero cost to me, so any profit even 100k, would be 100k profit to me. As the car was “hot” I picked a low ball offer to make profit as quickly as possible, the reason for the scam in the first place. The highest offer I received (from someone who has zero affiliation to NLA whatsoever) was 450k, which I took as this was high enough for the risk that was on me for doing the scam, and low enough that the person would accept it quickly and take it off my hands. 

 

- How does the NLA know about you scamming the Neon if you were never in contact with them?

 

Blanca has met members of NLA prior to this through meeting people in the city. As I had been invited to the church and had already made friends through Blanca with them. 2 days after the scam I had told the story ICly to a handful of members in NLA who were present at the time. 1 Week or so later, I was arrested and then released with no charges, over this vehicle. 

Once I was released, I informed some members of NLA that the arrest was in relation to the scammed vehicle. No member of NLA was ever asked to remain in the car, chop the car or in fact have any interaction with the car. I was injured at church and was unable to remove the car as I needed to be brought to MD. 

 

The Police Officer in question was notified of this situation via a Criminal Character (both of you being in gangs previously, with you being on alt, and would question how you have a relationship outside of being arrested/general Crim/PD interactions).  This person you know OOCly and then discuss IC information via discord. This would appear to be just as much of an issue as me being friends with NLA on both Tab Yez & Blanca Diesel. 

 

- Do you also not feel that your sudden disconnect was conveniently timed and allowed for your car to be hidden by your friends?

 

The internet crashing I had no power over and happens regularly to me. The car was already taken well before my internet crashed so it doesn't make sense to allow my friends to take the car when it was already gone. The car was already taken at this point so I am unsure what advantage would 

 

-The NLA helped him by ramming the pursuers even if he does not have ties with them ICly but his alt is Tab Yez, a member of the NLA.

 

You are yet to show any evidence of anyone helping or ramming anyone for that matter, other than you writing it on here. 

 

So far you have posted no evidence of me doing anything, your video doesn't have audio, your "Informant" is a permanently banned player, who was apart of NLA for 12hr and can be seen misinforming you if the admin can check the logs and confirms that I have never stepped foot inside the vehicle on Tab Yez. 

 

The accusation of me lying in /dos will be confirmed that I was not lying on the /showvehicles if the log can please be checked. 

When my internet crashed you had not once mentioned anything about tracking a car, I had messaged on discord and told a friend to message you IG that I was trying to return. Once my internet returned I immediately messaged you on discord and IG to resume. 

 

The PM I received from you stating “I want it to be fair but I'm asking too much from someone like you” I felt was intended to be OOCly insulting towards me and was suggesting I was doing this intentionally. I returned to the game and proceeded to spend 2.5 hours in roleplay with you in regards to this, and even admins agreed 6 hours holding time in total was going to be too long. 

 

Edited March 12, 2020 by JustTabed

[TheCactus]

1 hour ago, JustTabed said:

You are yet to show any evidence of anyone helping or ramming anyone for that matter, other than you writing it on here. 

You said exactly the same thing here:

 

On 3/7/2020 at 9:13 PM, JustTabed said:

You go out of your way saying NLA was "helping", show me the proof of them helping

and we provided the evidence here:

https://imgur.com/uLWT9eg
https://imgur.com/A8pMZRW

You can stop flipping the same pancake and climbing mirrors because asking for more evidence every time we have something incriminating will get you nowhere.
We have the evidence we have and it's exactly what you asked for. You asked for it like you never got helped by NLA, we showed it to you and now you say they helped you because they know you ICly.

The story changes everytime you reply and ask for more evidence. This does not only look like a mess of a story, it also makes you look like you are lying through your teeth.

Some of your final paragraphs don't even make sense and to me it looks like you wrote them out of desperation. just to prove that you still got something to say.

We are still asking for the person that was driving your car for the whole 2.5 hours (while you were injured, while you disconnected and after you came back). Why would someone drive the car for that long. Did it ever get chopped, even?

[YuSoHelpful]

PLAYER REPORT LOCKED FOR REVIEW

Thank you for your patience while this report is under review.  After reviewing this report and the evidence attached to it, I have decided to lock this report for review to gain a better understanding of the situation for the following reason(s): This report requires some thorough investigation and will therefore take longer than usual. You will be notified when we conclude this report. In the meantime, we ask that you remain patient and be respectful towards one another. If you have any questions, comments, or concerns that are related to this report, feel free to utilize the forum private messaging system to message involved players and/or staff members. Regards, Administrator YuSoHelpful & Senior Support @Metrooo

[YuSoHelpful]

PLAYER REPORT DENIED

Thank you for your patience while this report was under review. After reviewing this report and evidence attached to it, I have decided to deny this report for the following reason(s): After a long time reviewing evidence and checking multiple sets of logs, we have decided to deny this report. However we do agree, it looks somewhat shady, no concrete evidence was found. This decision is final. Unless instructed to, if you post another player report pertaining to this incident, you may be muted from posting on the forums for a temporary period. If you disagree with the outcome of this report, please file an appeal following the appeal guidelines and format. Regards, Administrator YuSoHelpful & Senior Support @Will215