Bruce Wong, ID 232 - NRP; Cop Baiting, Ramming with expensive vehicle

[flow]

Player(s) being reported: Bruce Wong, ID 232 (From Unix 1583088263)
Date of interaction reported: 01/03/2020
Unix time stamp from HUD: 1583088263 for Cop Baiting Bruce Wong and ID 232, 1583088371 Bruce Wong for NRP and Ramming with expensive vehicle

Your characters name: John Wallace

Other player(s) involved: N/A

Specific rule(s) broken:

8. Non-Roleplay (NRP)

• Actions that are unrealistic or promote poor quality roleplay are considered as non-roleplay.

• Examples of actions that are considered as non-roleplay:

• Cop Baiting - Provoking a reaction from emergency services without a realistic reason.

• Mercy Killing - Asking to be killed by a friend (Killing a friend falls under deathmatching).

• Unrealistic stunt jumping or the use of an expensive vehicle to ram into other vehicles.

• Spawning a scripted work vehicle and using it for crimes or submerging any vehicle in water.

• Swimming in water for an unrealistic amount of time or without a destination during a chase.

• Players who disconnect during roleplay must reconnect and inform other parties in order to resume roleplay. If you are unable to reconnect it may be excused after providing proof.

• In a situation where a player gets away from an incident where they're being chased/pursued, they must wait 15 minutes before they can logout. Players should not instigate roleplay situations if they do not have time to play it through. 

• Players who ignore answering roleplay commands directed at them, e.g. /do.

• In a situation where a player’s game crashes or the player is kicked from the server, they should be allowed to have the same advantages as they have had before their leave.

• Players should not deprive other players of roleplay, e.g. early on the interaction asking them not to speak unless it makes sense in the roleplay situation.

How did the player break the rule(s)?

Bruce Wong along with ID 232 Can be seen in the first video driving up to a scene with the intention to get a reaction out of us by shouting "Nonce" and driving off slowly. While being followed to make sure they leave the area, ID 232 shouts it again to get a reaction. Bruce Wong then decides to turn around slowly and multiple times so in order to get more reactions out before finally driving off. I believe this was a breach of cop baiting rules.

 

The second video is Bruce Wong driving his expensive Comet Retro into a police convoy, crashing into a cruiser and losing control before coming to a stop crashed into the barrier. He then proceeds to drive off. I believe this was quite bad RP considering his expensive vehicle and the crash he caused willingly. I think from the footage it's quite clear that this was not desync as he is losing control of his Comet after crashing into the cruiser and comes to a full stop in the barrier.

Evidence of rule breach:

Bruce Wong and ID 232 driving up to us, shouting "Nonce" in order to get a reaction:

https://streamable.com/pptbp

Screenshot of it since I had to black the chat in the video due to staff chat, though I can provide unedited video footage if requested.

 

 

Video of Bruce Wong crashing is Comet Retro into a convoy of police vehicles, losing control of it and coming to a stop in a barrier.

https://streamable.com/8yqef

[alexalex303]

Since the report involves a member of staff, this is pending senior admin+.

[Msato]

Thank you for not informing me of this report, luckily for myself I know you have OOC issues with me and interpreted a counter action to my IC actions. My footage will be added shortly.

[Z0thian]

Hello, I'm ID 232. 

I do not believe that calling someone a "nonce" from the passenger seat of a vehicle is cop baiting. 

''Please do not take reporting another player lightly and reserve player reports for situations that have caused severe loss or were abused for benefit. Consider if you could possibly teach this player or if you've tried to come to a resolution on your own.''  -  I do not believe this was a necessary report and seems rather petty. However thanks for the report. I look forward to hearing from the staff team.

[Msato]

My response will be broken down into the key areas of this:

1. Cop Baiting - The last time I checked it was not cop baiting to call someone a name who you have IC issues with as you pass them. The fact is I do this every time I pass Paulo_Witherfork (this could even be verified in logs) and I'm pretty sure he knows this is a joke. You then proceed to follow me straight away with the sirens on for passing a large scene? I fail to see how this single word baited that reaction, as when I pulled up it was already call that I was Bruce Wong and you had already started turning, showing you had prior intention to arrest me before I even said a word, you can see Paulo calling me out at 00:18 seconds in my video, before I even say this.

Following this you're in an extremely large vehicle and slowly pursuing me with sirens on, due to this I utilised my size advantage of a smaller car, doing loops around you to throw you off, after which you drop response, but you conveniently fail to include this in your footage, after which I do not bother you and the convoy moves off. You state that I drive off after provoking a reaction, yet it was the complete opposite and you drive off being unable to apprehend me. 

Part 1 video - 

 

 

2. NRP Ramming - I knew the convoy was moving up north, as of which was transporting multiple of our members. Lucy had said over VoIP "Who are they transporting" Due to this I headed up the highway to take a look at the scene. As I move down the highway at high speeds, you clearly show your intent to block the lane of traffic by swinging out the truck covering my approaching lane. Due to this I switched lane into the oncoming traffic to avoid a collision with you, then swapping back over into the correct lane of traffic but attempting to stay on the left hand side, this can be seen by watching my tyre direction always aiming to correct to the left until, this entire lane was fully clear at this time. My goal was to drive up the side of this convoy, passing to see who was being transported and then continue on with my day.

However, in my part 2 video, you can see that at 00:10 the cruiser leaves the perfectly straight pursuit line for no reason as I swap into that lane at 200km/h at 00:13 in my footage you can see me attempt to break and swerve out the way of this cruiser, also making verbal remarks of confusion. This caused me to spin out and after correcting my spin out, I made a straight exit to leave the area of that scene, not even planning to stop or watching who was in the convoy. Not once did I "intentionally ram" in fact the cruiser pulled out in front of me causing it. An IC mistake, as a quote reworked from yourself states "Your driver error, is not his breach of rules" meaning the due to the cruiser pulling out in front of me, how is it my fault?

Part 2 Video -

3. Afterwards I parked up near DOC to watch the prison transport enter, totally away from all involvement. I personally wanted to watch such an impressive transport as its not often you get to see these. After driving off I almost get side on rammed by you in the truck, following you then turning around. I chose not to speed off as I know you would have called in a pursuit, yet you continued following me with no sirens on, no indication of any attempt to arrest so I continue following the speed limit and driving controlled. Not once did I ever receive a single demand to pull over etc. After maintaining the speed limit for a reasonable length of time, you appeared to had called in backup in the form of the Kamacho, following this I sped off as I now knew what your intent was.

Continuing on it seemed that you had dropped response, which was a reasonable assumption due to having absolutely no visual on you and vice versa. I then turn around and proceed to go back up the highway as I had stuff to take care of up north, during this the Kamacho appears. You can hear my voice remark that I was shocked when you had continued response and attempted to flee again.

Shortly after this it can be seen in my Part 3 footage at 02:52 a cruiser then swerves towards me for a head on collision whilst I'm going 220km/h, a speed of which would kill us both in an instant. This is clearly FearRP as 0 value was shown for her life, and NRP as she randomly flings a cruiser towards me over an evasion charge. This is not a PIT, this is blatant VDM, especially as this cruiser was never involved in the initial pursuit. I then raised this as a rule breach on scene (which had staff present) but nothing was done about it, even though I provided the footage directly you you.

Part 3 video - 

 

Due to this I ended up in jail for 250 minutes, after VIP - would have been 360 minutes. I personally lost 30k+ worth of assets from the combined total of lost items + fines etc. Your reasoning for the pursuit was I rammed a cruiser, when in fact he moved in front of me. Not to mention my passenger who also ended up in jail for 4+ hours with an extremely large amount of fines.

I feel this report has been created as I clearly showed intent to report your deputy, as of which you were not very open to hearing. This is nothing but a revenge report and clearly targeted as it's known we both have OOC tensions between each other. At the very least I would have expected a member of the support staff team to inform me of a report being created.

I have nothing further to add unless requested by staff.

Thank you for the report.

Edited March 2, 2020 by CallumMontie

[flow]

13 minutes ago, CallumMontie said:

1. Cop Baiting - The last time I checked it was not cop baiting to call someone a name who you have IC issues with as you pass them. The fact is I do this every time I pass Paulo_Witherfork (this could even be verified in logs) and I'm pretty sure he knows this is a joke. You then proceed to follow me straight away with the sirens on for passing a large scene? I fail to see how this single word baited that reaction, as when I pulled up it was already call that I was Bruce Wong and you had already started turning, showing you had prior intention to arrest me before I even said a word, you can see Paulo calling me out at 00:18 seconds in my video, before I even say this.

Following this you're in an extremely large vehicle, due to this I utilised my size advantage of a smaller car, doing loops around you to throw you off, after which you drop response, but you conveniently fail to include this in your footage, after which I do not bother you and the convoy moves off.

And that's what I have an issue with. You loop around the area multiple times, after being told not to come back. You do this, in my opinion, for no other reason than to bait us into a pursuit with yourself.

 

14 minutes ago, CallumMontie said:

2. NRP Ramming - I knew the convoy was moving up north, as of which was transporting multiple of our members. Lucy had said over VoIP "Who are they transporting" Due to this I headed up the highway to take a look at the scene. As I move down the highway at high speeds, you clearly show your intent to block the lane of traffic by swinging out the truck covering my approaching lane. Due to this I switched lane into the oncoming traffic to avoid a collision with you, then swapping back over into the correct lane of traffic but attempting to stay on the left hand side, which was fully clear at this time. My goal was to drive up the side of this convoy, passing to see who was being transported and then continue on with my day.

However, in my part 2 video, you can see that at 00:10 the cruiser leaves the perfectly straight pursuit line for no reason as I swap into that lane at 200km/h at 00:13 in my footage you can see me attempt to break and swerve out the way of this cruiser, also making verbal remarks of confusion. This caused me to spin out and after correcting my spin out, I made a straight exit to leave the area of that scene, not even planning to stop or watching who was in the convoy. Not once did I "intentionally ram" in fact the cruiser pulled out in front of me causing it. An IC mistake, as a quote reworked from yourself states "Your driver error, is not his breach of rules" meaning the due to the cruiser pulling out in front of me, how is it my fault?

You had no business interfering with that convoy at all. You were by yourself and had no plan to actually stop the convoy, you couldn't have done so. You drive in there full speed to cause havoc with no regard to your life, your passenger's life and no regards to safe-keeping your expensive property. Without any reasonable cause to interfere, you did so anyway. Your careless actions is what caused the collision. Your constant travel at high speeds and high risk manouvers are not something I consider good roleplay nor reasonable. You didn't care for a collision, you took that chance by performing your little high speed stunt, giggling in the process. You fully understood the risk and yet you indulged in interfering with a convoy you're severely outnumbered in, with no goal in mind, which makes this nothing but NRP and unrealistic.

The other things have nothing to do with the reported rule violations and I'd like to ask you to keep unrelated situations out of this, we're focusing on the reported issues not situations that have been otherwise dealt with by an admin already.

I expect to be served good, realistic roleplay and I believe as a member of this community I have the right to experience those. This report exists because your actions, in my opinion, were not justified, not good roleplay, and violations of current server rules.

[flow]

We have talked about this scene and we have agreed that the reported actions were not malicious. We've sorted out the issues and I'd like this report to be closed please.

[froggytommy]

Locked and archived as requested!