Billy_Noonan ID 103 [DM]

[Bassio]

Player(s) being reported: ID 103
Date of interaction reported: 3/1/2020
Unix time stamp from HUD: 1583033406
Your characters name: Brad Gordon

Other player(s) involved: Many others

Specific rule(s) broken:

14. Deathmatch (DM)

• Deathmatching is the act of attacking a player without a proper roleplay reason and interaction.

• Examples of valid reasons to attack another player:

• If they attempt to arrest or hurt you, an ally, or damage your property.

• If they report you to the police for a serious crime.

• If they are not in compliance with plausible demands, attempt to escape, or call backup.

• A player cannot kill their victim if the victim is in compliance with the demands.

• A player must allow their victim enough time to comply with the demands.

• If a player informs you that your VOIP isn’t working, you must either fix your VOIP using appropriate commands or use text to deliver your demand(s).

• Vehicles cannot be used to attack a player on foot more than once, including a failed attempt.

• Killing a player that has obeyed all orders and demands during a roleplay situation is allowed, with roleplay, only within 3 hours of:

  1.  Severe hostile or criminal action is taken against you, e.g. someone is robbing you at gunpoint. (Excluding police aiming a gun at you.)

  2.   Someone is attempting to take your life.

  3.   Someone is attempting to take the life of your close friend or ally, or if you have witnessed it happen.

• You must explain your reason to kill to the player IC and have OOC evidence proving your reason.

How did the player break the rule(s)?

First off I would like to thank the staff and anyone who takes the time to read this.

ID 103 blasted me in the face with a shotgun without saying a word to me or attempting to RP with me whatsoever. I believe that by shooting me there without any demands he deprived all of us of an interesting RP experience, maybe now both parties have someone under gunpoint which is what leads to the actual shootout. However he decided to open up the shootout by shooting an unarmed bystander who was not posing any threat to him or his allies at that moment. I tried to PM him however he just told me "it was an active shootout" which is clearly not the case. He made the first shot which started the shootout and it was not in compliance with the rules.

Evidence of rule breach:

https://streamable.com/27y2t

Evidence of me informing him of the report:

 

[alexalex303]

Hello, and thank you for making the report @Bassio.

This is now pending review.

Sincerely,

alexalex303

[alexalex303]

Player ID 103 - Billy_Noonan - please explain why you shot at the reporter.

The aforementioned player has 24 hours to respond to his inquiry or the report may be concluded without his response.

Sincerely,

alexalex303

[Bassio]

Thank you for your reply, this will be my last response until asked to by a moderator. 

2 hours ago, MikeTyson_ said:

You got out of your car to pull out a shotgun and join the shootout.

•  Severe hostile or criminal action is taken against you, e.g. someone is robbing you at gunpoint. (Excluding police aiming a gun at you.)

I would like to point out a few things with this statement. The first is that I was attempting to get out of my car in order to arm myself for a possible threat which we were not sure of even being there in the first place. You had no way of knowing what I was getting out of my bag when you shot me so the fact that I was getting out a shotgun should have no relevance to the fact that you shot an unarmed person. The second point I would like to make is that there was no shootout happening prior to this, I had driven all the way up from the city and in the video you can clearly tell how calm we all are and hear absolutely no gunfire whatsoever until you made the first shot. Thirdly using " Severe hostile or criminal action is taken against you, e.g. someone is robbing you at gunpoint. (Excluding police aiming a gun at you.) " as evidence only proves even more that it was DM considering I had taken zero hostile action towards you, nor even knew you were behind that rock. 

2 hours ago, MikeTyson_ said:

The shootout had already begun and was happening where the weed plants were, your ally was also pointing a gun and robbing my ally as can be seen in this picture:

As you can see and hear in the video no shots were made prior to this. I had headed up all the way from the city and had no prior RP with this group that day. As for the claims of his ally being at gunpoint, I would add that even in his picture no gun is visible. When we entered the man on his knees was baiting us and already in the /down position. You can see at the end of my video a zeta even getting out of the car, merely to check his car door and then run back to his own vehicle. No guns were pointed and no hostility was shown.

2 hours ago, MikeTyson_ said:

The title of your own video is even "Possible DM" and i feel like you already know this is not DM but you are just trying to report so you can manipulate the video into getting me punished. You were also shooting right outside the drug lab at Rooks. 

All together, you came in with 3 gangs 30-40 people deep with heavy weapons out if that is not severe hostility i don't know what is.

The title of my video was stating it as it is from my perspective. It is not up to me to decide weather or not it is DM, It is up to the moderators, thus naming it "Possible DM" and leaving room for the deciding people to have their own opinions. And as for the shootout with Rooks outside I was not part of that nor even knew that happened or if it did even happen to begin with.

[Sufyaan]

Hi, I would like to add evidence regarding this DM report. 

1 hour ago, Bassio said:

hear absolutely no gunfire whatsoever until you made the first shot.

https://streamable.com/0dv6h In this footage you can hear on our radio a dude saying "They are shooting at us" I could potentially get the persons POV who said this but am pretty sure you can ask around in your faction and find out yourself.

 

Certain things blurred to avoid metagaming

Edited March 2, 2020 by Sufyaan

[Gyromite]

I was the guy calling over the radio that we were being shot, I don't have any video.  We were on the other side of Braddock's on the mountain when two zeta cars came up, shouted demands, and started shooting. I called it in over the radio and returned fire. We drove to the middle of Braddock's, exited the vehicle, and proceeded to have a gunfight. 

[alexalex303]

16 hours ago, Sufyaan said:

Hi, I would like to add evidence regarding this DM report. 

https://streamable.com/0dv6h In this footage you can hear on our radio a dude saying "They are shooting at us" I could potentially get the persons POV who said this but am pretty sure you can ask around in your faction and find out yourself.

 

Certain things blurred to avoid metagaming

Send me the unedited version. ALX- on the official Eclipse Discord.

@MikeTyson_

Is there any evidence of the exchange between the blue cars and this person?

It is entirely possible that he put his hands up on his own.

[alexalex303]

I'd like to start off by apologizing for the delay in the resolution of the report, this was mainly caused by lengthy consultation with other members of staff regarding the incident, as I firmly believe that it will be used as a base for similar situations in the future.

After careful review of the evidence presented, and deliberation with other members of staff, I have come to the following decision:

Player ID 103 - Billy_Noonan will receive Deathmatching #4 for his actions during this RP scenario.

From the evidence provided (mainly by the reporter), it can be gleaned that the reported party was executing an ambush at Braddock's. The main reason given by Billy for shooting the unarmed Triad was that a group of zetas were robbing his ally. It was also stated that an active shootout was taking place, however no evidence towards that was provided, in my opinion. There is a recording in which someone can be heard saying something about shots fired, however, in the reporter's POV, there are no shots, and Billy never provided his own POV.

The issue with Billy's actions is that, first of all, it was Zetas robbing his ally at gunpoint, not Triads, and even had it been Triads, this does not give you kill rights on everyone in the general area. If you had shot at the blue car that was directly threatening your ally's life, your actions would've been acceptable. If you shot at the second blue car that was very close in proximity, likely assisting the other blue car in the robbery, that would've also been acceptable.

The person that was shot did not have any weapon out, was relatively far away from the actual robbery, and was in fact quite defenseless in the bag pickup animation. The correct course of action would've been to place him under Fear RP, and continuing the RP scenario from there, or alternatively, shoot at the people actually threatening your ally's life.

The presence of a person being robbed does not immediately give you kill rights on anyone in the area.

for reference, this is the clip provided in private by Sufyaan: https://streamable.com/2tedl

Sincerely,

alexalex303