Ezrya Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 Player(s) being reported: ID 96 and ID 18 Date of interaction reported: 29/02/2020 Unix time stamp from HUD: 1582987677 Your characters name: Kanna Sun Other player(s) involved: Eve Donovan Specific rule(s) broken: 14. Deathmatch (DM) Deathmatching is the act of attacking a player without a proper roleplay reason and interaction. Examples of valid reasons to attack another player: • If they attempt to arrest or hurt you, an ally, or damage your property. • If they report you to the police for a serious crime. • If they are not in compliance with plausible demands, attempt to escape, or call backup. A player cannot kill their victim if the victim is in compliance with the demands. A player must allow their victim enough time to comply with the demands. If a player informs you that your VOIP isn’t working, you must either fix your VOIP using appropriate commands or use text to deliver your demand(s). Vehicles cannot be used to attack a player on foot more than once, including a failed attempt. Killing a player that has obeyed all orders and demands during a roleplay situation is allowed, with roleplay, only within 3 hours of: Severe hostile or criminal action is taken against you, e.g. someone is robbing you at gunpoint. (Excluding police aiming a gun at you.) Someone is attempting to take your life. Someone is attempting to take the life of your close friend or ally, or if you have witnessed it happen. You must explain your reason to kill to the player IC and have OOC evidence proving your reason. How did the player break the rule(s)? Myself and Eve were at a drop for ammo when SWAT had showed up, the SWAT kamacho began to box us in and hit our comet retro so in order for us to escape I began taking tyres of the kamacho we managed to escape the box and out of the lab and began a chase, to note the only people that witnessed us shooting the kamacho were an unmarked gauntlet with swat in and the swat operative in the kamacho no one else witnessed us shooting. The chase continued up and down the highway when an SD cruiser caught up and began firing on our comet retro trying to stall it. At no point did anyone in this cruiser witness us shooting so therefor had no reason to shoot at us. As per the DM rules and many reports have been accepted for this, players must witness the hostile action being taken. I attempted to PM both in the cruiser to resolve this as I'm not the type to take to forums. Both deputies didn't seem to want to admit any wrong doing and didn't seem to want to resolve it telling me to just take it to forums. Evidence of rule breach: https://streamable.com/0fa8y I don't have the full footage due to my last 10 minutes not saving all the shots but they did shoot more than this too I'm sure logs can be checked 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasmine Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 Thank you for submitting this report, and be patient as we review the evidence and allow all parties involved to respond. After reviewing this report and the evidence attached to it, I have decided that this report cannot be concluded at this time. We will make inquiries on players involved to obtain relevant details to reach a decision. Please stand by. Kind Regards, Moderator Jasmine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasmine Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 Thank you for submitting this report, and be patient as we review the evidence and allow all parties involved to respond. ID 96 - Kyle_Edwards - Can you explain in detail how you arrived at the decision to shoot at ID 93 and ID 64? Did you witness them threaten an ally or yourselves? If you did not witness it, what evidence were you using to justify your attack? ID 18 - Jayson_Powell - Can you explain in detail how you arrived at the decision to shoot at ID 93 and ID 64? Did you witness them threaten an ally or yourselves? If you did not witness it, what evidence were you using to justify your attack? All reported parties will be notified here and in-game and will have 24 hours to provide a response. If no response is given, a conclusion will be made based on all available evidence provided in this report. Thank you. Kind regards, Moderator Jasmine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViktorShaw Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 (edited) I was the driver of the cruiser were both Kyle and Jayson were, as you can hear in the footage PD request multiple times to open fire on them on the JTac channel as they shot PD, and Jayson questioned multiple times to confirm. Have a good day. https://streamable.com/rqmp6 Edited March 2, 2020 by ViktorShaw Adding TeamSpeak channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarky Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 (edited) Greetings, Kyle Edwards here, we joined the mutual pursuit along with LSPD. The LSPD was involved since the beginning, they just requested more units from Sheriff's Department so we responded. I, myself, did not shoot as I was in the back seat and I could have not hit the vehicle, only Powell was shooting. Reason why we were shooting is because we were ordered to shoot by the LSPD multiple times, they requested us by saying "ADAM" unit, which is unit occupied with 2+ officers/deputies inside to take primary and shoot down. I even asked the LSPD if the comet was shooting at them and they said yes, you can also hear "Light them up" called by LSPD. I ordered Jayson Powell to warn them over megaphone but as LSPD said they were shot at before and ordered more shots from us, we proceeded. The LSPD's cruiser, unarmed one (black in the footage) also started shooting at them when they were primary unit. Overall, the comet was shooting at the LSPD (our allies obviously) so we got ourselves included as well as the LSPD requested more backup. Everything is in the footage. Add: They shot at us as well, to the right of our cruiser as well as to the left, this is only one screenshot of it, LSPD called it in as well that there is shots coming. Footage: Around 2:20-2:22 Edited March 2, 2020 by Clarky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezrya Posted March 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Clarky said: Reason why we were shooting is because we were ordered to shoot by the LSPD multiple times, they requested us by saying "ADAM" unit, which is unit occupied with 2+ officers/deputies inside to take primary and shoot down Thanks for the response, as I tried to explain to you in PM's before submitting the report that hearing over the radio that someone shot isn't a reason to shoot. Your IC orders don't overtake OOC server rules. This can be confirmed in many reports now most recent one being this one. In the conclusion Emulsify even states, "The description of a vehicle over the radio is not a valid reason to shoot at them, hence the punishment. The player would have needed to have witnessed the events occur for there be a valid reason to open fire." Going by your logic If my gang higherups call over radio that someone shot at them and they give a description of the person/car does that mean I can just drive up and start shooting without witnissing it just because I'm being "ordered" to. This isn't the first time I have encountered this issue with PD/SD but many times I was able to talk it out with the involved officers and settle it without needing to report but I feel law enforcement factions need to be more careful with their orders in making sure they match up with server rules. I want to point out during this time there was another red comet retro going around up north which even confused my allies so how do you guys know that we were infact the comet that shot at officers before shooting especially with the fact that for a little bit PD did lose sight on us. That's why I feel witnessing the shooting is important or giving valid demands first. Would have took you a few seconds to just use the megaphone telling us to pull over or force would be used. Even in your own footage you hear an officer say "use the megaphone then shoot". 54 minutes ago, Clarky said: Add: They shot at us as well, to the right of our cruiser as well as to the left, this is only one screenshot of it, LSPD called it in as well that there is shots coming. At no point did I shoot at you during this, here is my footage to prove that, I never even pointed my gun out the window towards you. You even say this yourself when paulo says "If they are shooting at you light them up" to which you respond "No they aren't shooting at us we are shooting them" https://streamable.com/5upkf Those shots either came from PD or desync shots from your passenger as shooting from a passenger seat can have a lot of desync and sometimes seem as if they are hitting the floor, which means once again you guys shot at us without witnessing anything Edited March 2, 2020 by Ezrya Added a bit more to my response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezrya Posted March 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 This report can be archived as it was resolved privately. After talking with the deputy that shot I don't feel he had any ill intent and just made a mistake in the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasmine Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 Thank you for submitting this report, and working together to resolve this matter on your own, as is the preferred method to deal with rule breaks, particularly honest mistakes. As stated, you must witness your allies life being in danger as per the server rules. PD and SD are not exempt from this rule. However, since it is clear the reported party understand their mistake, and the reporting party agreed to cancel it, this report is archived and locked. Kind regards, Moderator Jasmine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
