ID | Timothy_Donovan 64 ,VDM

[SilentVortex]

Player(s) being reported: ID 64
Date of interaction reported: 28/2/2020
Unix time stamp from HUD: 1582930775

Your characters name: Steve Martinez

Other player(s) involved: ID 232, others

Specific rule(s) broken:
 

14. Deathmatch (DM)

• Deathmatching is the act of attacking a player without a proper roleplay reason and interaction.

• Examples of valid reasons to attack another player:

• If they attempt to arrest or hurt you, an ally, or damage your property.

• If they report you to the police for a serious crime.

• If they are not in compliance with plausible demands, attempt to escape, or call backup.

• A player cannot kill their victim if the victim is in compliance with the demands.

• A player must allow their victim enough time to comply with the demands.

• If a player informs you that your VOIP isn’t working, you must either fix your VOIP using appropriate commands or use text to deliver your demand(s).

• Vehicles cannot be used to attack a player on foot more than once, including a failed attempt.

• Killing a player that has obeyed all orders and demands during a roleplay situation is allowed, with roleplay, only within 3 hours of:

  1.  Severe hostile or criminal action is taken against you, e.g. someone is robbing you at gunpoint. (Excluding police aiming a gun at you.)

  2.   Someone is attempting to take your life.

  3.   Someone is attempting to take the life of your close friend or ally, or if you have witnessed it happen.

• You must explain your reason to kill to the player IC and have OOC evidence proving your reason.

How did the player break the rule(s)?

We were only going to detain and search the man on the bike and he wasn't even in cuffs but ID 64 in a super car decided to come and ram us without giving any demands. The man  was only going to get searched since he was suspicious and we were not planning on arresting the man. I believe that they could first make sure he was getting arrested and also I don't think ramming in that supercar makes any sense.

Evidence of rule breach:

https://streamable.com/s/ik9ks/hguyog

[Awazki]

I'll be reviewing this report.

[WindEZ]

Hello , i would to say something as i was involved in this scenario for more then 1 hour .And i was at the scene .

 

28 minutes ago, NightVOID said:

 

How did the player break the rule(s)?

We were only going to detain and search the man on the bike and he wasn't even in cuffs but ID 64 in a super car decided to come and ram us without giving any demands. The man  was only going to get searched since he was suspicious and we were not planning on arresting the man. I believe that they could first make sure he was getting arrested and also I don't think ramming in that supercar makes any sense.

Evidence of rule breach:ps://streamable.com/s/ik9ks/hguyog

As you mentioned here you only wanted to detain and search the men on the bike that sounds fair enough . But please upload your full footage of that Kamacho that harassed us for more then 45 minutes driving after us in town , arresting half of our gang members . So if you are telling me that you only wanted to detain and search him and not ARREST that is a lie . What is the point of 2 swat with body armour and heavy weapons driving around town after gang members ? Search them ? What PD cant do it anymore they need swat to detain a criminal nowadays ? 

Also the story for ' wait first see if they get arrested' wait for 10 + units to be at the scene and have legit 0 chances to take our guy out ? Because we all know that is impossible to fight 4 swat members + 10 PD officers with heavies and body armour . This because you are talking about being realistic 

For the entire night drags, and 2 Swat kamacho`s where chasing our members all the way in town at every stop , every thing we did you guys where there . You even arrested some of our members around the golf club court prior to this scene . We all know what you guys where doing there , our factions are at war and you where looking to arrest people thing that you did 15 minutes before .

So sorry that in our roleplay scenario we forgot to think that the same unit that arrested our members this time only needed a chat with them and frisk them .

The rp scenario in a nutshell is that:

1. We had insane numbers that pd / sd / swat cant handle them so they just followed us in town and pick us one by one 

2. We are not stopping cause we are at war , and we do legit everything it takes to win the war and whoever is standing in our way is their problem . So 4 cruisers and a kamacho would never realistically stop 40 + gang members to fight whoever they are at war with . 

Also if i remember correctly your kamacho opened fire at moors before we even go to the highway . 

Edited February 29, 2020 by DimaDan

[SilentVortex]

Right, we had SWAT deployed at the time but we also had many kamachos from both SWAT and SED. Our unit did not arrest anyone at all and we did not open fire at mors as we were not sure who the actual suspect is so we just went onto the highway and decided to only detain the man on the drag and nothing else since we were not sure if he actually killed someone or did anything wrong. Our unit also didn't arrest anyone at the golf club and we were only driving around that scene, we had around 5 kamachos deployed so that might've been another unit but the bike on the highway was suspicious since it was onto the highway and we had many blue vehicles coming after that as well so we decided to only detain the guy as he was suspicious. 

[Awazki]

Hello and thank you for making this report

Firstly, reporter ( @NightVOID ) Do you have longer footage? If you have, could you please post it?
ID 64 - Timothy_Donovan ( @Ethan Turner ) - Please explain your side of the story. Please provide your footage, if possible.

Reported player(s) will be notified in-game.
If the players above fail to respond to this report within the next twenty-four (24) hours, this report will be concluded based on the evidence that has already been provided, to the best of our ability. 

Kind regards,
Moderator Awazki

[SilentVortex]

https://streamable.com/k1i1c

 

We arrived on the mors scene and decided to follow the vehicles since we didn't actually see anyone shooting then we decided to detain the man near the bike but we didn't actually see him doing anything so he was only getting detained and not arrested. 

They just rushed it and decided to ram us without any interaction or demands.

I also believe that it's Non-RP to ram with that expensive super car.

[Ethan Turner]

First of all you guys decided to jump out whilst surrounded by 10 - 15 people of Zetas and Triads and aim a gun at a HC member after it was called in on your radio civilians on their knees and shots fired, the person who you aimed a gun at also had an unlicensed firearm and was involved in a shoot out. You also decided to click your panic button whilst upside down after being rammed by a vehicle which is blatant non RP. 

[SilentVortex]

The vehicle was stopped and I wasn't the driver so I had to jump out as well and assist my partner and we had over 10 units coming to out backup call and most of the units were SWAT/SED which means they could handle the situation if you wouldn't ram me  with that super car, the outcome of that RP scenario would be really different.  We also didn't mention that he is under arrest as we didn't see him shooting and you always need to confirm and make sure he is getting arrested before ramming.

It also might be hard to press the panic button but still possible as it's not hard to just move your hand and reach for a button.

You could make sure he is getting arrested or at least give demands to us but you decided to rush the rp and ram us with a super car.

 

 

[Ethan Turner]

You clicked your panic button when your character was literally fully upside down after being rammed by a vehicle landing on your head which injured you

[WindEZ]

1 hour ago, NightVOID said:

The vehicle was stopped and I wasn't the driver so I had to jump out as well and assist my partner and we had over 10 units coming to out backup call and most of the units were SWAT/SED which means they could handle the situation if you wouldn't ram me  with that super car, the outcome of that RP scenario would be really different.  We also didn't mention that he is under arrest as we didn't see him shooting and you always need to confirm and make sure he is getting arrested before ramming.

It also might be hard to press the panic button but still possible as it's not hard to just move your hand and reach for a button.

You could make sure he is getting arrested or at least give demands to us but you decided to rush the rp and ram us with a super car.

 

 

First you mentioned that we should wait to see if a high rang in a criminal organization involved in criminal activites being chased in town by swat and multiple crusiers while we where chasing our targets would get arrested ? 
Then you mentioned you had 10 swat /sd coming to the backup ? Is that the usual way to frisk someone and see if he did something wrong ? 
When i mentioned your sayings in my reply you denied , now you just confirmed im confused

If someone rushed the RP thats you and the driver of the Kamacho getting out of the car between 12+ gang members with heavy weapons ( and sports cars yes) Also you where in the chase the whole time so you know our numbers where like above 40ish . So did we rushed rp trying to get our guy out ? Or two swat members rushed it getting down and poting heavy weapons at him ? 
I really dont see how you feared for your life here between 12 people 

Last post and thank you

Edited February 29, 2020 by DimaDan

[SilentVortex]

I'm still saying that we were not going to arrest the man and we were only going to detain in that time and yes, X-ray was giving callouts and units were coming there as well since there were too many cars around us and the backup were close since we all responded to the mors scene at the first. The backup only started coming since they  were told there are many cars joining and if backup is coming, that doesn't mean the guy has to get arrested. We were still going to detain the man and other units responded to secure the scene.

As I already said, I was not driving the kamacho and I had no choice other than leaving the car and assisting my partner and once again, we had units incoming if I wouldn't get ran over in 2 seconds.

 

Oh and are you getting reported here? "Players who are NOT DIRECTLY INVOLVED in the report are not allowed to respond"

 

 

 

 

[Awazki]

Pending review.

[Awazki]

PLAYER REPORT ACCEPTED

I'm sorry for the delay. I have been on a leave of absence.

After reviewing this report and evidence attached to it, I've decided to accept this report and issue the punishments to the following players:

• ID 64 - Timothy_Donovan will receive a Non-RP #3 and DM #1

Now I will explain the reasoning behind that. After speaking to several staff members about this report, we found that what you did wasn't acceptable. You used your vehicle to destroy all possibilities of them winning by using a supercar to ragdoll and therefore you destroyed the RP. You almost hit your friend too. 
You were allowed to shoot him with guns on foot, but using a supercar to kill them like that isn't something we allow.

• ID 284 - Steve_Martinez will receive a warning for pressing the panic button while being severely injured.

About Non-RP (pressing the panic button)
We think that utilizing his panic button to call for backup in the way that he did is quite poor. You could argue that doing this is a proportionate and realistic response to being attacked and or injured - this is entirely true as that is quite literally the intended purpose of the panic call, to use in a state of panic but we still feel some sort of realism or simulation of injuries should have been done prior to using the panic button. 

About FearRP:
Generally speaking, approaching a large amount of players who outnumber and outgun you in several ways before exiting your vehicle and attempting to detain and or arrest one of the people affiliated with the large amount of players is sort of equal to displaying a lack of caution, fear or care in a way which is not inline with our server rules. The fear roleplay rule is basically the concept of roleplaying fear for your character’s safety and life and we fail to understand how this can be taken into account when you do this. With that being said, we do not consider the situation in this report to fall under what is described above. It is not entirely clear that the person they were attempting to detain and or arrest was affiliated with the large amount of gang members who later arrived at the scene. If you look at the extended footage it can be seen that the gang members take the same route as the officers through the highway, but they do not turn around in towards the direction of their friend on the bike (and the officers) until ID 232 exits the kamacho. Contrary to what one of the parties involved said

"If someone rushed the RP thats you and the driver of the Kamacho getting out of the car between 12+ gang members with heavy weapons"

We feel there is clear distinction between arriving at a scene in which a large amount of gang members are present and then exit your vehicle and attempt to detain their friend rather than arriving at a scene in which the person you’re attempting to is alone, and then being pulled up on by multiple gang members. One shows a clear lack of fear and caution, and the other is just unfortunate and not a rulebreak.

 

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Kind regards,
Moderator Awazki