Chebbidy Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 (edited) Player(s) being reported: 178 Date of interaction reported: 29/02/2020 Unix time stamp from HUD: 1582944018 Your characters name: Skinny_Gaviria Other player(s) involved: General majority of Zetas. Jon_Ramos etc. Specific rule(s) broken: 13. Fear Roleplay (FRP) Fear roleplay is the concept of roleplaying fear for your character’s safety and life. Examples (but not limited to), where your character’s life is considered to be in direct danger: • When you are on foot or bike and a weapon is aimed at you at close range. • When you’re in a vehicle that is stalled or turned off and a weapon is aimed at you close range. • When the attacker lowers their weapon to type or roleplay, your life remains in direct danger. • Driving a vehicle into an active shootout more than once without the intent of protecting a friend, fleeing with it, or using it as cover. Examples (but not limited to), where your character’s life is NOT considered to be in direct danger: • When you are in a car which engine is not stalled. • When you have a firearm drawn and are facing the other person before they attacked. • When the attacker’s view is obstructed by an object or when they turn their back on you. As a victim, whose life is in direct danger: • You cannot call 911 or call your friends or allies to aid you. • You must display reasonable value for your life and comply with the demands of your attacker. How did the player break the rule(s)? So we were at HQ when all of a sudden we're rushed by Vory, which then resulted in a shootout. During the shootout I notice someone running infront of the gunfire with his hands up. Evidence of rule breach: https://streamable.com/na2vj - Streamable Link supplied. See below for captioned screenshots. Player was informed he was being reported and also threatened a reverse report so he definitely has his POV saved. At the beginning of the clip ID 178 can be seen at the tail end of the shootout, with his hands down. He then makes his way out from behind the container with his hands up, running towards the active shootout. He can then be seen positioning himself at the forefront of the shootout just as it was concluding. He then makes his way back to safety. I inform him we will be putting up a report and the response was unsatisfactory. If you check admin logs you will see him telling me that he will be putting up a report for Deathmatching. When has this ever been acceptable behaviour? Good players are getting banned on a daily basis because of these guys picking and choosing fights they know by rulebook definition will get their IC enemies banned. I fear that this won't be the last interaction we have with 179. Unfortunately all it takes is for someone to not save their POV and lose their ability to play through dishonesty. Thanks, Chebbidy Edited February 29, 2020 by Chebbidy 16 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldarine Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 Thank you for making this player report. This report is pending review from myself. I will be with you shortly after further review! Please note that at this time, no further response is required from any involved parties. Best Regards, Aldarine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldarine Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 Upon further review, this report will be combined with the below mentioned report (archived as a duplicate) created by @Jediah. For clarity and continuity, the reporting party of the above mentioned report is citing as follows: Reported Player(s): ID 113 and ID 273 Reporting Party's Character Name: Jediah Onfroy Unix Timestamp: 1582943873 Cited Rule: Deathmatching Rationale For Report: Me and a few friends decided we were going to go and attack the Zeta HQ. I did not have a gun at the time and I realized too late. While they were doing that I put my hands in the air to avoid being shot. I understand if I was shot while I was trying to find a safe hiding spot in crossfire but it was clear as day that I was not shooting or a threat. They decided to shoot me anyway, not only one time but three. I think this is more than a rule break and that they should be punished accordingly. Evidence: https://streamable.com/6uoim Please allow me a bit of time to review this combined report. I will be with you shortly for follow up. Best Regards, Aldarine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldarine Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 Thank you for your patience as I reviewed the report. Prior to concluding this report, I would like to hear statements from the players as specified below. Jediah_Onfroy | ID 178 @Jediah - Please explain to me why you thought it to be appropriate to knowingly enter an active shootout. Per your statement and confirmed in the video you knew you did not have a weapon so why, knowing this, did you directly enter the area of engagement as opposed to backtracking and remaining in your safe location. Do you think this displays rational fear for your character's life? I look forward to hearing back from you! Best Regards, Aldarine 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jediah Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 (edited) Sorry for not being able to respond so quickly, i went into the "middle of gunfire" because i was trying to find a bike to get away in since i had no pistol, and once i realized that none of the bikes were unlocked, i made myself known and that my hands were up, so i wouldnt be killed or injured. and i wasnt really in the middle of active gunfire, my friends were all in the middle and i was next to them and they shouldnt even be aiming at me because i didnt make myself a threat, i had my hands up trying to find a way out. and to be honest i do not know why the reporting party thinks im baiting reports, its kind of confusing why he feels this way but if the report is accepted i will take it and learn from it, and also its kind of petty that you went on MY forum report, and accused me of revenge report, i was alreayd making a dm report before this report was up. Kind Regards, Jediah Edited March 4, 2020 by Jediah to add a lil sum, and to show my forum report Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jediah Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 and my entire pov is on my forum report, and the explanation and rationale for my actions are on there to. sorry if i sound like im in a rush im doing things right now, like moving and helping my family with stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldarine Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 @Jediah - At the start of the video submitted by yourself, you review your weapon wheel and put your hands up. You were aware of the intent to engage with gunfire and could see an active gunfight going on. Do you believe it to be smart in this situation to go deeper and deeper into the area of engagement all to find a vehicle knowing you were already in a safe place? How would a vehicle have helped you in this situation when the only route out of the area for a vehicle would be towards direct gunfire? You also remained stationary/around the exact same area for 8 seconds until you are told over the radio to leave. Please explain this action considering if you were fearful of your life and only looking for a vehicle, I do not believe you would remain here for that long, even at one point just standing completely stationary. Finally, I would like you to shed some light on what you said over the radio considering I cannot hear your microphone. I will be giving you this final opportunity to be entirely truthful regarding this situation and all rationale during these events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jediah Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 (edited) now that i look on it, it wasnt very smart to go deeper into the gunfire, and if there was a unlocked bike theres a ramp that leads to an exit of where i came in from and i was planning to leave from there. when i realized there wasnt any unlocked bike i stood there to make myself known so they wouldnt kill me or accidentally shoot me, and over radio im pretty sure i said "what the fuck are these guys doing" because they shot me while i had my hands up. Edited March 5, 2020 by Jediah spelling error Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldarine Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 Thank you for the prompt response @Jediah. This report will now be locked pending conclusion. Should I require anything further I will make a subsequent posting. If either party would like to add to their statements, feel free to edit your responses with further information. Your patience is appreciated at this time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldarine Posted March 11, 2020 Report Share Posted March 11, 2020 Thank you kindly for your patience as I thoroughly reviewed this report and sincere apologies for the delay. Following extensive review and consultation with multiple staff members, this report will be concluded as follows: Player Jediah_Onfroy will receive a Non RP | Fear RP punishment for the reported incident. To explain the rationale for this punishment I would like to direct your attention to the video evidence submitted by the reported party (for Fear RP). Within this video it can be seen that the reported player walks directly into a known firefight that his allies were taking part in. The claim of intent being to obtain a vehicle to escape for safety does not make logical sense as the reported party was originally in a spot of cover prior to entering the engagement. Along with this, the reported party continued to advance further towards the firefight and even remained completely stationary. If rational fear was to be displayed, this advancement would have never been made, much less remaining stationary when you are at risk of getting killed. This action is completely unacceptable and should not be repeated under any circumstances. It is required by ECRP Server Rules to display realistic fear for your life and always act in the interest of maintaining your life, not putting yourself in direct danger to get killed. While I appreciate the acknowledgement that your actions were not smart, again, this behavior is not acceptable and should not be repeated in the future. For these reasons, this punishment is being issued. No players will receive a punishment for Deathmatching in this incident. As this report is the combination of two reports, reported claims of Deathmatching were made. To explain the lack of punishment for this factor, the above mentioned punishment for Fear RP should be noted along with the explanation of it. As the reported player (for Fear RP) knowingly walked into a firefight, he subjected himself to crossfire and as such was harmed because of it. This does not break Deathmatching rules for him to be injured due to his own intentional and ill advised actions. Walking into a firefight with your hands up does not make you an innocent and un-harmable party. Due to this, engagement upon the reporting party is deemed valid and due to this, no punishment is being issued. Report (Fear RP) accepted. Report (Deathmatching) denied. Best Regards, Aldarine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
