Kelly_Gamble [ID 25] | Zetas mass dm and non rp.

[JamalBratan]

Player(s) being reported: 93/8/25 Mainly and other zetas that was shooting at us from the vehicles.
Date of interaction reported: 29-02-2020
Unix time stamp from HUD: 1582929334

Your characters name: Jamal Debose

Other player(s) involved: Paul Debose and alot of zetas.

Specific rule(s) broken:

8. Non-Roleplay (NRP)

• Actions that are unrealistic or promote poor quality roleplay are considered as non-roleplay.

• Examples of actions that are considered as non-roleplay:

• Cop Baiting - Provoking a reaction from emergency services without a realistic reason.

• Mercy Killing - Asking to be killed by a friend (Killing a friend falls under deathmatching).

• Unrealistic stunt jumping or the use of an expensive vehicle to ram into other vehicles.

• Spawning a scripted work vehicle and using it for crimes or submerging any vehicle in water.

• Swimming in water for an unrealistic amount of time or without a destination during a chase.

• Players who disconnect during roleplay must reconnect and inform other parties in order to resume roleplay. If you are unable to reconnect it may be excused after providing proof.

• In a situation where a player gets away from an incident where they're being chased/pursued, they must wait 15 minutes before they can logout. Players should not instigate roleplay situations if they do not have time to play it through. 

• Players who ignore answering roleplay commands directed at them, e.g. /do.

• In a situation where a player’s game crashes or the player is kicked from the server, they should be allowed to have the same advantages as they have had before their leave.

• Players should not deprive other players of roleplay, e.g. early on the interaction asking them not to speak unless it makes sense in the roleplay situation.

   

  13. Fear Roleplay (FRP)

• Fear roleplay is the concept of roleplaying fear for your character’s safety and life.

• Examples (but not limited to), where your character’s life is considered to be in direct danger:

• • When you are on foot or bike and a weapon is aimed at you at close range.

  • When you’re in a vehicle that is stalled or turned off and a weapon is aimed at you close range.

  • When the attacker lowers their weapon to type or roleplay, your life remains in direct danger.

  • Driving a vehicle into an active shootout more than once without the intent of protecting a friend, fleeing with it, or using it as cover.

• Examples (but not limited to), where your character’s life is NOT considered to be in direct danger:

• • When you are in a car which engine is not stalled.

  • When you have a firearm drawn and are facing the other person before they attacked.

  • When the attacker’s view is obstructed by an object or when they turn their back on you.

• As a victim, whose life is in direct danger:

• • You cannot call 911 or call your friends or allies to aid you.

  • You must display reasonable value for your life and comply with the demands of your attacker.

  14. Deathmatch (DM)

• Deathmatching is the act of attacking a player without a proper roleplay reason and interaction.

• Examples of valid reasons to attack another player:

• • If they are not in compliance with plausible demands, attempt to escape, or call backup.

• A player cannot kill their victim if the victim is in compliance with the demands.

• A player must allow their victim enough time to comply with the demands.

• If a player informs you that your VOIP isn’t working, you must either fix your VOIP using appropriate commands or use text to deliver your demand(s).

• Vehicles cannot be used to attack a player on foot more than once, including a failed attempt.

• Killing a player that has obeyed all orders and demands during a roleplay situation is allowed, with roleplay, only within 3 hours of:

  1.  Severe hostile or criminal action is taken against you, e.g. someone is robbing you at gunpoint. (Excluding police aiming a gun at you.)

  2.   Someone is attempting to take your life.

  3.   Someone is attempting to take the life of your close friend or ally, or if you have witnessed it happen.

• You must explain your reason to kill to the player IC and have OOC evidence proving your reason.

• • If they attempt to arrest or hurt you, an ally, or damage your property.

  • If they report you to the police for a serious crime.

 

How did the player break the rule(s)?

So we were driving around the town until this guy (ID 93) crashed into me with purpose to ram me not fearing for his life and etc. Then Jay (ID 8 )came next to us with his car and started shouting demands which i believe wasnt reasonable since i didnt saw any guns pointed and etc. So turned and tried to drive away from them but then they opened fire on me (which i believe started with blue schafter) and everything else is avalaible and seen in the provided video. And im impressed how the oldest gang in the town providing so poor rp quality.

Evidence of rule breach:

 

 

Edited February 29, 2020 by JamalBratan

[Donovan]

As I was one of the people in that chase, are you reporting every single individual in the pursuit or just id 93 and 8? I am confused 

[JayGamble]

Demands given, at a full stop in your own video. Not only that, but a gun was also aimed well giving the demands.



ID 25 opened fire on his tires initially, until the trophy truck returned fire. Not sure why the V12 is being blamed.

[JamalBratan]

14 minutes ago, JayGamble said:

Demands given, at a full stop in your own video. Not only that, but a gun was also aimed well giving the demands.



ID 25 opened fire on his tires initially, until the trophy truck returned fire. Not sure why the V12 is being blamed.

Hey, so actually how im supposed to see that you are aiming a gun at me, we are sitting in trophy truck which is way higher than your car so in common sense i couldnt even see you in driver seat and basically everyone shouting demands even you in driver seat i dont find it rply possible and im not supposed to follow it since i didnt done anything to you and im in the car which is not stalled, screaming lounder in your mic wouldnt help it so and plus you were giving me demands when you was below my truck. Is it ok? I dont think so. 

Examples (but not limited to), where your character’s life is NOT considered to be in direct danger:

• When you are in a car which engine is not stalled

As a staff member you should know it that shouting demands like that doesnt give the right to shoot at me. Im done answering to this until staff asks me to.

[Aldarine]

As this report involves a member of the staff team this will be pending review by a Senior Administrator or higher. Your patience at this time is much appreciated.

Best Regards,

Aldarine

[bunko]

1 hour ago, JamalBratan said:

So we were driving around the town until this guy (ID 93) crashed into me with purpose to ram me not fearing for his life and etc

Hi ID 93 here. I was actually not originally part of this chase. I was behind you trying to go straight and was about to pass you on the left but you suddenly turned left. Had I been notified that I would be reported, I would have saved my POV that would show this beter, but the reporting party never bothered to to do that. This is a simple IC traffic accident not a ram attempt. If anything more is required of me, let me know. 

Edited February 29, 2020 by bunko

[JayGamble]

2 hours ago, JamalBratan said:

1 hour ago, JamalBratan said:

Hey, so actually how im supposed to see that you are aiming a gun at me, we are sitting in trophy truck which is way higher than your car so in common sense i couldnt even see you in driver seat and basically everyone shouting demands even you in driver seat i dont find it rply possible and im not supposed to follow it since i didnt done anything to you and im in the car which is not stalled, screaming lounder in your mic wouldnt help it so and plus you were giving me demands when you was below my truck. Is it ok? I dont think so. 

Examples (but not limited to), where your character’s life is NOT considered to be in direct danger:

• When you are in a car which engine is not stalled

As a staff member you should know it that shouting demands like that doesnt give the right to shoot at me. Im done answering to this until staff asks me to.

 

 

I'm not sure why this is listed as mass DM, one person attempted to take your tires until your passenger fired back, injuring mines. You yourself turned into the red V12, potentially attempting to ram him yourself, or simply being involved in a traffic accident. I was smacked around by the red v12, and somehow ended up under the trophy truck for a brief second well attempting to get parallel and circling around, not under it, and I think you yourself know that fact. You can hear Skinny reference that your a vehicle we were previously looking for, as we heard your entire plan on radio about "painting your trophy blue" and attempting to rob people, well deceiving them as a fake Zeta, you know.. we're at war and all, considering that we go back and forth daily. You can hear it clear as day in your video, whether you try and manipulate it differently or not with minor height differences, you had no windows and you would have heard the demands being immobile in the middle of the street well a gun was in fact aimed at you. In two separate replies you've make cracks at my position in staff, and our gang. Please stop bringing your IC feelings OOC, and please try to look at these situations objectively, instead of making us miserable every time you lose a situation, as you say in your report "mainly 8" (me) when I'm not the shooter, whatsoever and she herself makes valid demands at you before firing. I mean really, look at the forums right now and how many reports are "targeted". You were dressed as fake Zetas with intent to harm others, got caught, and got smoked.

https://streamable.com/dch84

 

Edited February 29, 2020 by JayGamble

[JamalBratan]

34 minutes ago, JayGamble said:

 

I'm not sure why this is listed as mass DM, one person attempted to take your tires until your passenger fired back, injuring mines. You yourself turned into the red V12, potentially attempting to ram him yourself, or simply being involved in a traffic accident. I was smacked around by the red v12, and somehow ended up under the trophy truck for a brief second well attempting to get parallel and circling around, not under it, and I think you yourself know that fact. You can hear Skinny reference that your a vehicle we were previously looking for, as we heard your entire plan on radio about "painting your trophy blue" and attempting to rob people, well deceiving them as a fake Zeta, you know.. we're at war and all, considering that we go back and forth daily. You can hear it clear as day in your video, whether you try and manipulate it differently or not with minor height differences, you had no windows and you would have heard the demands being immobile in the middle of the street well a gun was in fact aimed at you. In two separate replies you've make cracks at my position in staff, and our gang. Please stop bringing your IC feelings OOC, and please try to look at these situations objectively, instead of making us miserable every time you lose a situation, as you say in your report "mainly 8" (me) when I'm not the shooter, whatsoever and she herself makes valid demands at you before firing. I mean really, look at the forums right now and how many reports are "targeted". You were dressed as fake Zetas with intent to harm others, got caught, and got smoked.

https://streamable.com/dch84

 

just watching your own video footage can perfectly see you just ramming me with your luxury car. If we gonna watch this realistically, the roof of your luxury car would be all dented. If not your ramming with a super car I would have drove away before your demands. But looking at the whole situation we can see how ID8 was ramming more then 1 time. Also How can you give demands while you are under my car? And we opened fire after like 2min chase cause we didnt even had choice to do something better then open fire back. 

Even looking at this point of view you gonna shot through the roof ?

[Dqniel]

Hello, and thank you for submitting this player report! @JamalBratan

I would like to take this opportunity to thank both parties involved for remaining patient while this report has been carefully reviewed. Following an extensive review of the provided statement as well as taking the statements of all parties involved into account, i have decided to take this player report one step closer to being concluded by tagging the appropriate player(s) in order for them to provide their side of the story. In the meantime, no further responses are needed aside from the player(s) being tagged below.

Player Kelly_Gamble | ID 25 | @Zyzla will receive 24 hours to provide her side of the story and explain the reasoning for her actions which can be seen in the provided evidence above. Why did you fire at the reporting party? Do you feel as if the demands delivered to the reporting party were plausible in any way? In addition to being tagged on the forums, you will be notified of this player report in-game.

Looking forward to your response! 

[Zyzla]

Hello and thanks for the tag!

So first of all I‘d like to mention that I was on their radio frequency for quite a long time before this all occurred and I kept relaying information to my gang that there is two people from enemy gang we were in active war with, in a blue trophy truck, dressed in blue somewhere in town impersonating us.

https://streamable.com/2xcd1 - you can hear Jamal being assured radio is not compromised and telling about him buying blue trophy and changing clothing, warning his people its him

https://streamable.com/qz5qf - Jamal once more confirms changing into blue outfits

Just a proof of that, they spoke about it twice in the period of 5 minutes while I was listening to them so I was really aware of the situation, when they had no idea we were on their frequency as it was confirmed that they thought its not compromised when Jamal asked. So they didn‘t know we obtained such information.

So in around roughly 20-30 minutes from them talking about changing into blue clothing, we drive back in town and end up in a small shootout with them and after leaving it we see blue trophy truck heading that way. As I am sure its none of us, but the same guys who spoke on radio I pull my gun on them and give demands. In my video https://streamable.com/icw0y  right here you can see at 0:06 me pointing gun straight at the man‘s head and giving demands going 11 km/h (http://prntscr.com/rezbzf ) when they are themselves going same speed right next to us.

 As well in Jay‘s provided video you can see their characters looking at us while I point a gun going 6 km/h http://prntscr.com/rf14gd which is a speed a car like trophy truck which has no windows and is pretty open would hear demands from I'm pretty sure.

 

First of all, the reporting party was in the gang we‘re actively fighting with. Secondly I obtained information they are impersonating us. Thirdly I finally saw them, gave them demands that they heard ( at least that‘s what I thought) and opened fire as they didn‘t comply. So as far as that goes I think my demands were plausible at least in my opinion. We were basically stopped so I thought they really heard and saw me, but as they decided to flee I opened fire.

 (apologies for not hearing my voice as I press „n“/“m“ in any of the videos uploaded from my side I don‘t know why but my shadowplay just didn't had mic key binded, but you can hear it in other people‘s PoV)  

[Dqniel]

Hello, and thank you for submitting this player report!  I would like to take this opportunity to thank both parties involved for remaining patient while this report has been carefully reviewed. With that being said, after extensively reviewing this player report as well as taking the statements of both parties into account, i have decided to conclude this report.

Player Kelly_Gamble will receive a punishment for deathmatch.

First and foremost, i would like to address the punishment of Kelly_Gamble and the reasoning behind it. The demands which were delivered to the reporting party during this situation were not plausible, and as such the attack is not in accordance with the deathmatch rules. The act of giving plausible demands applies to any situation in which demands have been delivered in a realistic and clear manner, which is contrary to what is seen in the provided evidence of this player report. I fail to understand how plausible demands as well as realism was taken into account when said demands were delivered once in a time period of two (2) seconds, while you were situated underneath the vehicle of the reporting party, all while traveling at low speeds. The intended purpose of our reworked deathmatch rules and the rule clarification that came out in connection to this was never to allow players to give demands from vehicle to vehicle in these types of ways so that they could subsequently open fire. The focus should be on providing demands in a realistic and clear manner, rather than overlooking all other circumstances of a situation and only focusing on whether or not the demands were delivered at low speeds, which is ruleplaying if anything.

Secondly, i would like to address the lack of punishment for player Jay_Gamble and the reasoning behind it. I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that the collision you had with the reporting party was accidental due to the collision you had with the driver of the red vehicle just seconds prior, and not a malicious attempt at utilizing your expensive vehicle to ram the reporting party. Furthermore, the ram had minimum impact on this situation overall and did not change the outcome of it whatsoever and as such there will be no punishments issued.

Thirdly, i would like to address the lack of punishment for player Donny_Bruno and the reasoning behind it. I have reviewed the footage of both parties involved in this situation and it becomes clear that the collision between the red vehicle and the reporting party was purely accidental. The driver of the red vehicle was traveling at high speeds in towards the direction of the reporting party when suddenly the reporting party decided to turn left and in the process cut in front of the driver of the red vehicle, which ultimately resulted in an unavoidable accident. This is not a malicious attempt at ramming the reporting party in order for him to stop and as such there will be no punishments issued.

Thank you for remaining patient and submitting this player report! @JamalBratan 
This report is accepted and archived.

With regards,
Dqniel & Kris.