Larry Wrzosek Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 (edited) Player(s) being reported: ID 272 Date of interaction reported: 2/26/2020 Unix time stamp from HUD: 1582754271 Your characters name: Larry Wrzosek Other player(s) involved: Jay Gamble & Thraximillian Reeves Specific rule(s) broken: 13. Fear Roleplay (FRP) Fear roleplay is the concept of roleplaying fear for your character’s safety and life. Examples (but not limited to), where your character’s life is considered to be in direct danger: • When you are on foot or bike and a weapon is aimed at you at close range. • When you’re in a vehicle that is stalled or turned off and a weapon is aimed at you close range. How did the player break the rule(s)? In my video you can clearly see that ID 272 attempts to start the engine of his car as I give him demands with a gun in my hand aimed at him the whole time, which is the initial development in our situation in which he should have feared for his life and abide my demands. Instead ID 272's response is to get out of his vehicle and pull his weapon multiple times, click his backup button, draw his weapon and immediately begin shooting me. All while I have a gun to his head the entire time. Because of his rule breach I was unable to roleplay properly when the situation was in my favor due to his mistake, not mine. I was ready to roleplay a hostage scenario but instead of properly roleplaying, this cop ignored fear rp so can prioritize me going to jail rather than him fear for his own life. Evidence of rule breach: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEoK93oh8jU&feature=youtu.be Edited February 29, 2020 by Larry Wrzosek forgot the date 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krooks365 Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 (edited) Thank you for making this report @Larry Wrzosek This is now under review by @froggytommy and myself. You patience while we are reviewing it is appreciated. Edited February 27, 2020 by krooks365 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
froggytommy Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 Report involves a member of staff. Pending Senior Administrator+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marchesi Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 Alright so, I am the reported player over there. What happened is, another cruiser rammed me off the cliff by mistake and I rolled down at the beach. At that time, I didn't understand what was going on and I was kinda shocked so I kept trying to turn my engine on. I haven't even realized you were there until I got out of the car. It probably would sound like crap & total lie to you but I haven't even heard your demands via VOIP. I rolled down the cliff, found myself by the beach trying to engine my cruiser, got out, saw you infront of me, realized I was holding a tazer in my hand rather than a Pistol; that was the moment I saw the units on the cliff aiming towards us and I started to shoot aswell. I'll not be lying or whatsoever here, from what I watch on your video - it looks like a CLEAR breach of the Fear RP but I just need you to understand that I had no idea what was going on at the time and I was just still shocked after rolling down there. I did not hear your VOIP, wish I had the chance to save my POV. I shot you because I thought I already had a pistol in my hand (which was a tazer apparently) and also because there were units aiming towards us on the cliff, I started to shoot as they shot. This situation was kinda confusing for me and I did not really understand what was going on at the time as I totaly didn't expect you to be there. I'll be posting two videos provided by my fellow faction mate to make it more clear. This video is where my faction mate lag-rammed me and made me roll down the cliff https://streamable.com/nu5qu This is where those faction mates who rammed me stopped and tried to see how I was doing down there after the crash & as soon as I called for the shoot-out, they came as backup. https://streamable.com/9ott5 None of this would've happened if I actually could hear your demands over the VOIP. I sort of relied on my friends on the cliff and had the courage to shoot. I was just real confused after the crash & coming across you there. I kind of panicked and did all those as an instant reaction. I'll not be claiming what I did was right but if you were there playing on my laptop & in my POV I'm sure you'd feel what I felt. I'm genuinely sorry for the inconvenience and I'd like to express how sorry I am about this incident. It should never have happened. I've never broken a single rule until this time, my admin record is all clear - I did NOT intend to break any rule over there either but when I take a look at your video and turn back to myself, it looks embarrassing. To sum it all up, - I was real confused over there about what was going on, sudden roll down the cliff & coming across you. - I did not hear your VOIP demands. - I thought I had a gun in my hand which turned out to be a tazer. - I sort of relied on my factionmates up on the cliff. And then again, I'm really sorry about what happened over there & apologize for leaving a bad image of me where I also ruined your RP experience. I'll be respecting whatever decision the administration team & you, as the complainer give about all I elaborated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Wrzosek Posted February 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 14 hours ago, Marchesi said: This video is where my faction mate lag-rammed me and made me roll down the cliff https://streamable.com/nu5qu This is where those faction mates who rammed me stopped and tried to see how I was doing down there after the crash & as soon as I called for the shoot-out, they came as backup. https://streamable.com/9ott5 None of this would've happened if I actually could hear your demands over the VOIP. I sort of relied on my friends on the cliff and had the courage to shoot. I was just real confused after the crash & coming across you there. I kind of panicked and did all those as an instant reaction. I'll not be claiming what I did was right but if you were there playing on my laptop & in my POV I'm sure you'd feel what I felt. I'm genuinely sorry for the inconvenience and I'd like to express how sorry I am about this incident. It should never have happened. I've never broken a single rule until this time, my admin record is all clear - I did NOT intend to break any rule over there either but when I take a look at your video and turn back to myself, it looks embarrassing. See this is where I have to call you out on your shit. 1. The shootout on the beach situation was initiated by YOU after breaking fear-rp. My evidence here proves that to be factual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEoK93oh8jU&feature=youtu.be Your backup did not shoot us until you started shootingat me and I returned fire with my gang members. 2. The evidence that you have provided is a sloppy job of trying to twist context. Your audio is chosen to be presented in a very strange order in the second video you provided. The audio is clearly recorded yet is chopped off at a certain point, and you do not hear or see any shot being fired at this time in the video. This kind of false story forging is excessive. Coming from a staff member is very concerning. This is pretty blatant and I have saved your video in case you remove or edit it further. 3. We are all here to roleplay & have fun man. You and I both stalled on that beach and as unfortunate that is for both of us I continued to roleplay as it was all IC issues. I tried to initiate a hostage situation to make the situation more interesting and you claim that my VOIP was not working. Regardless you are inside a stalled vehicle with my gun pointed at your head which is defined in the rules as fear rp. Instead of trying to resolve the VOIP issue with me, with all the time I generously gave you to comply to my demands instead of rgun you down (which I do not believe your case because I was communicated through VOIP with my members up until this point, and because you have not provided any evidence from your own POV, AND have tampered with other people's POVs thus far) you decide to break rules and escalate the whole situation to free smoke for all parties. We all make mistakes from time to time and this here clearly is one for you to learn from. However tampering with evidence to try to twist the story around in favor to you is so fucking toxic dude. I hope that you are held responsible for these attempts to lie to administrators. (If the tempered video is needed I have saved the original video and will post on request) or @Marchesi can admit that the evidence is tampered with. Either way its a yikes from me. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havana Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 hey Both clips provided by marchesi are mine Streamable broke the audio on the second one for some reason, this happened before the report, but i don't think anything would change with the audio working. I don't think i have the original clip unfortunately, if i do ill send it here. Just wanted to let you all know that marchesi didn't tamper with my clip at all 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havana Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 okay, so i recovered the clip from my recycle bin and apparently it was ReLive that broke the audio not sure if anyone else has ReLive but for me it randomly stops recording audio at certain times, still have to figure out what causes that, but yea 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marchesi Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 (edited) I have not tampered / edited the clips AT ALL. I simply didn't have my shadowplay on at the time so I took the clips from Havana, who happened to be there at the time. I, especially as a member of the staff, would never and ever try to manipulate a report / administrators in any way; that's quite an ugly accusation. As Havana said, it could be the softwares or whatever, I'm not really good at those video softwares. I believe I expressed myself well enough, I'd like to apologize again for the situation and state how upset I am about what's happened over there. I'd never intend to break any rule intentionally, I've a clean admin record and what happened in that situation was quite an unfortunate. I just didn't expect you there after rolling down the cliff so it was a double shock in a matter of seconds, that's why I kinda didn't know how to act. I wish I had my shadowplay on and I saved what happened so you could feel it from my POV, it also could prove how I didn't hear your VOIP demands and struggled to understand what was going on at the time. I'm sorry, yet once again - it won't happen again, wish it never occured. Edited February 28, 2020 by Marchesi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dqniel Posted March 13, 2020 Report Share Posted March 13, 2020 Hello, and thank you for submitting this player report! @Larry Wrzosek I would like to take this opportunity to thank both parties involved for remaining patient while this report has been carefully reviewed. With that being said, after extensively reviewing this player report as well as taking the statements of both parties into account, i have decided to conclude this report. Player Pavel_Reznikov will receive a non-roleplay warning. Taking the provided evidence of this player report into account, it becomes evident that there was a lack of caution in your approach to this situation. Fear Roleplay is the concept of roleplaying fear for your characters safety and life and i do not believe this was fully taken into account during your encounter with the reporting party. The reporting party placed you under direct gunpoint at close range whilst you were unarmed and defenseless and in turn you repeatedly attempt to equip your weapon while moving around, utilize the panic button and shortly afterwards succeed in equipping your weapon in which you subsequently fire and injure the reporting party. It is the general consensus that if placed under direct gunpoint at close range, which essentially means that you are in a vulnerable and life threatening situation, then you are expected to display an adequate and realistic amount of fear for the life of your character, and follow every demand given to you as one instinctively would do in real life. Despite the fact that this may have not been your intention at the time, you cannot win every fight and sometimes it is better to go with the flow of the roleplay and allow it to take its course while in the process allowing an interesting roleplaying scenario for all parties involved to happen. I acknowledge that you had no intentions of wanting to break any type of server rules and that your actions were not purposeful but several steps could and should have been taken on your side to inform the reporting party of the circumstances as well as the supposed issues you experienced during this scenario rather than trying to roleplay (and correct) the scenario at the expense of it becoming a rulebreak on your end. If anything, this experience and the fact that you have maintained a clean administrative record since your start on the server will ensure that you do not find yourself in a similar situation such as the one that resulted in your punishment in the future, which is the whole point of issuing these punishments. Granted you continue upholding high roleplaying standards and make sure all your actions are in accordance with the server rulebook, there should be no issues whatsoever moving forward in the future Thank you for remaining patient and submitting this player report! @Larry Wrzosek This player report is accepted and archived. With regards, Dqniel & Kris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
