DM + NonRP (large group of Zeta's)

[MrSix]

Player(s) being reported: 116 - 139 - 125 - 61 - 33 - 144 - 38 - 54
Date of interaction reported: 23/02/'20
Unix time stamp from HUD: 1582465724

Your characters name: Mike Adams

Other player(s) involved: Darnell Griffon - 122 - 18

Specific rule(s) broken:

Deathmatching is the act of attacking a player without a proper roleplay reason and interaction.

NonRP: Actions that are unrealistic or promote poor quality roleplay are considered as non-roleplay + Mercy killing

How did the player break the rule(s)?

As per rules, players are allowed to attack the police once they attempt to arrest or hurt you, an ally, or damage your property. However this was not the case.

A traffic stop was being conducted on a Comet Retro (Millie Woods) for reckless driving. She crashed into a pole and the other person in the vehicle flew through the windshield. She was stopped by officers since they wanted to have a chat with her. I responded as a backup unit (fast vehicle with risk of evading). At no point did anyone tell her she was about to be arrested. I whispered to the initiating officer, asking if he was planning to arrest her, to which he said he doesn't want to press charges. I then told the said officer we will not be forcing a search on Millie and I was about to explain to her that she was good to go, but she should be very careful on how she drives. A few seconds after I whispered and before I had a chance to even start explaining to Millie what was going to happen, a bunch of Zeta's rolled up with (heavy) guns drawn and a shootout had begun.

After the shootout, and only the cops who surrendered were still standing, Zeta's took the time to laugh at PD and to forcefully shave my characters head, although I mentioned in /b I did not agree to character changes. This overall really hurt my RP experience as it makes zero sense to murder cops over a traffic stop, when the 'ally' is not even being actively arrested.

 

Evidence of rule breach:

The footage will be sent to the staff member taking this report since it contains staff chat and player reports.

[Donovan]

Hey, I am not sure what ID I was at the time, but I was involved in this scene and this report. 

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From my standpoint, Millie reported on radio that she is being pulled over and she might need help, as she has just picked up  an illegal shipment ( Micro SMG Ammo if I am not mistaken ), we knew that if she ever got out of the vehicle and frisked it would be over, I was stationed in the 811 across the street partly overhearing the conversation and also observing the situation itself ( if there is backup coming, if you are in/out vehicles, is she out, are her hands up etc. etc. ) while rest stood a bit further away semi hidden ready to go in if needed. After we had decent number of people at the scene 10-15 involving both us and Triads . At one point I overheard the part where the officer said she will be frisked and if she is clear of illegal items she will be let go at which point you guys stepped a bit away 1-2-3 steps or I did with a vehicle and I wasn't able to hear the rest of the conversation after her reply that u posted above " Just search me and get it over with ", I have reported that on the radio, and as at that point knowing that she has illegal firearm, illegal Micro SMG ammunition and possibly a heavy on her as well, we decided to roll in, aim heavy  weaponry at you guys and ask you to get on your knees, not use the panic alarm, remove your batteries and radios and go away. But as we told you to get down, you and other officer listened to the commands given, while the other two have decided to be heroes and fight 10 heavily armed criminals 2v10 which has caused the shootout. IF they haven't fired shots at us, I promise you not a single bullet would be fired on that scene, we had no intention of getting involved in a gunfight which is why we waited until we had no other option but to go in before its too late. 

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We have came there to assist our ally and a friend, that we were more than aware had stuff on her that would cause her to go to jail the moment you went through her pockets, not to mention that even if you complied after, you could charge her knowing her identity and stuff on her. So if we have let the frisk go through even if we get her out in the end, she ends up charged. If you feel like you have experienced NON-RP I am terribly sorry for that and I promise you that was never mine or anyone involved's intention, we were protecting our own, and your colleagues decided to risk it all by attempting to get few of us down and disobeying the orders given ( Calling backup and not getting on the knees letting us get her out and go away ) 

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I sadly do not have the POV of that situation as I have crash issues even without recording, I have an older PC atm and since few months ago when I had to replace some parts I have had to stop recording, I have decided to still go for it even if it drops my FPS sometimes bellow 30-40 for this exact purpose after this incident, because I had a feeling this report might happen after our conversation 

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PS : One more time I'd like to emphasize WE WOULD NEVER HAVE OPENED FIRE OR HAD INTENTION OF HAVING A SHOOTOUT, our only goal was to get you on knees, remove radios and phones, cuff you and drive away, but because of the actions of the 2 officers besides you and other officer we ended up in a shootout that in your eyes ended up being " non rp " . Mike you know that I respect you and love to RP with you every chance I get both on criminal and legal characters, and I know that you know that providing bad experience is not something I tend to do. 

Edited February 23, 2020 by Donovan

[Rubsmeister]

@Donovan That's not me, that's Darnell Griffin. I was sat in a cruiser watching from a safe distance.

[Donovan]

Edited ty

[MrSix]

1 hour ago, Hoxton_Curry said:

Hello, I was the one that called the hit, I was told that she was being frisked ( or about to be) and we were also aware she had illegal items on her so we pulled up gave demands as we aimed our weapons, you and the other officer complained, the other 2 aimed / shot at us and they were killed for it, I dont see how we broke any rules and I would appreciate if you would upload your POV with staff chat hidden

Here you have a video with blurred chat: https://streamable.com/uwfmz (I unfortunately lost sound on this version, I only have sound on the non blurred version)

[alexalex303]

Hello, and thank you for making the report @MrSix.

Please send the unedited footage to myself. (ALX- on main Eclipse Discord). Statement inquiries will be posted once evidence was reviewed.

Sincerely,

alexalex303

[BallinByNature]

As this involves a staff member it will be handled by Senior Administration.

[BallinByNature]

PLAYER REPORT PENDING RESPONSES

Thank you for your patience while this report is under review.  After reviewing this report and the evidence attached to it, I have decided that this report cannot be concluded at this time. The following players will be required to provide their side of the story from this situation within the next twenty-four (24) hours: ID 144 - Dwayne_Donovan - No follow up is necessary at this time, thanks for sharing your input thus far.   ID 125 - Hoxton_Curry - Why do you believe it is a good idea to call a hit on police officers based off radio'd information which was an assumption that she was 'about to' be frisked?   ID 61 - Kirky_Woods - What was your reason for initiating / involving yourself in this situation and what was the reason for opening fire / partaking in the shoot out?   ID 116 - Silas_Debose - What was your reason for initiating / involving yourself in this situation and what was the reason for opening fire / partaking in the shoot out?   ID 33 - Nicholas_Morgan - What was your reason for initiating / involving yourself in this situation and what was the reason for opening fire / partaking in the shoot out?   ID 102 - James_Oakley - What was your reason for initiating / involving yourself in this situation and what was the reason for opening fire / partaking in the shoot out?   ID 123 - James_Eriksen - What was your reason for initiating / involving yourself in this situation and what was the reason for opening fire / partaking in the shoot out?   ID 139 - Sasha_Vasilyev - What was the reason for choosing to stick around the scene of the shoot out and spend time cutting the hair of the officer?   If the players above fail to respond to this report within the next twenty-four (24) hours, this report will be concluded based on the evidence that has already been provided, to the best of our ability.  Regards, BallinByNature

[Alpha]

Hello @BallinByNature ID 139 here Sasha. This was hell of a long time ago and had to watch the situation again but basically as i remember, we pulled up to save our gang member from going to prison because we asumed she will be arested if she had the micro ammo on her, so the plan was to pull in with everyone, we had WAY more people there to just tell them give us the girl and we leave but they decided to have a shootout, run around with guns aimed at them, you can see clearly at exactly 3:30 the reporting party decided it will be a bright idea to start walking/running (video: https://streamable.com/uwfmz) away even when im literally 1 meter away from him, but then he decides his life IS important to him. Talking about the part where i stay around for longer and shave his head, you can see us interacting at 3:50, and i dont remember what was exactly said but again i feel like he was giving me some cheeky answers instead of staying quite and again, being afraid for his life when you can literally see other police officers DEAD 10 meters to the side, and i knew we have them out numbered since we had Zetas + Triads most loaded with heavy artilery like AK's or Micros in this situation so i could of taken my time and yes, shave his head with RP all /me's and /do's, there is no such rule as "oh i dont want my head shaved", its a script, you cant just block people from using it because in my opinion that is not fair. Your RP would not and did not change after i shaved you, i guarantee he went to barber shop and just use some sticky glue and had the same haircut in matter of 5mins. I want to be as friendly as posible here but i just dont understand why was i tagged in this situation, for shaving someones head... 

Also forgot to add, i wanted to repeat that we did NOT want any shootout in this situation, literally it should of been smooth as butter but the officers that started pulling the guns out caused all of this, yes we were loaded in this situation but only for our safety. 

Edited April 11, 2020 by Alpha

[Kirky]

Greetings @BallinByNature

This is Kirky Woods (ID 61). We received a radio call that one of our members was being stopped by multiple officers and possibly was getting searched whilst she was in possession of ammo for a heavy weapon. Our intention in the situation was to hold up all the officers and escape with our ally before any more officers pulled up to the scene. We were watching from a distance for a few minutes, and as soon as we saw her turn around with her hands up we moved in and gave all officers demands to put their hands up. The two officers that were shot on the scene were shot because they failed to fear for their life after being surrounded by 10+ gang members with heavy weapons. They were given demands to put their hands up, but they decided to pull out their firearms out and aim at us. 

 

I do not see this as a breach of DM as the officers were given demands at gunpoint to put their hands up and they did not comply. Instead, they tried to pull out their firearms and aim at us. 

[Hrale]

Hello @BallinByNature ID 102 James Oakley here. 

Since this was pretty long time ago, I unfortunately do not have the footage of my PoV. If I recall correctly one of our Triad's trials (ID 38 - wearing red mask and red shirt on a BF in provided footage) was at the scene and radioed in that Zs need backup and that some of them are getting arrested.  I started heading towards the provided location since Zetas and Triads are allied factions. When I came there I saw the shootout going on and that some of the officers are dead and some of them are on their knees. My only intention was to provide backup to Zetas and to make sure everyone gets out of that situation safely. I don't see this as a DM rule breach since I opened fire on a backup cruiser along with everyone else because they entered the active shootout scene. If you need any more information from my side, I would be more then happy to provide it. Cheers

[ParsaPelox]

ID 33 here (Nicholas_Morgan) 

as this situation goes far back to 2/3 months ago and there are no other PoVs other than mine I assume so I'm gonna start off from 

1. I arrived to situation from a radio call that was about our gang member is being pulled over and eventually detained ( What we were receiving on radio)

2. I hear on radio that people say "ROLL IN ROLL IN NOW" so we pushed in and put cops at gun points which ended up 2 of them putting their life in danger and risking their lives and start shooting us instead of complying and complaining about it. (https://streamable.com/12ckol)

3. about the part I've been asked for what reason i started shooting I'd like to add http://prntscr.com/rxa1u3 / http://prntscr.com/rxa21b 

4. for partaking part as I've mentioned above the only reason I was there was because I heard player Millie_Woods in being pulled over and arrested as she had illegal weapon and stuff on her ( .50 at its least and Micro smg ammo)

Here's my PoV doesn't show that i received the backup call but shows that I had enough reason to open fire on ID 18, I'm being so grateful that I'm being mentioned in a 3months old report and I apology at the same time cause I didn't have full situation in my PoV to show our side: https://streamable.com/rfnup

Regards 

-Nich 

I hope we all reach to point and stop reporting players over nothing whilst we lost nothing except some bunch of foods/drinks. 

[Pvle]

Hello 116 ID here. how you see from officers POV i was sitting in passenger seat and everything started when sasha told me lets go one of zetas need help, so we arrived to place and saw Millie who got pulled over by the officers, sasha said that she might have Micro smg ammo on her because she took shipment not long time ago and said backup will come we roll in point guns and take Millie and drive away, when we came pointed weapons i think 2 of them started to shoot so i had to start shoot at those officers also. This situation suppose to be held at gun point and run away. but ended in diffirent way.

[Eriksen]

Hey ID 123 here.

We got a backup call about Millie possibly getting arrested north of Maze Arena and that she was carrying heavy ammo. I pulled up behind the arena and got into some bushes slightly out of sight, then pushed in closer once the call was made over the radio.
 
As others have stated earlier, we intended to extract Millie from the scene, hence why we waited for triads to make sure we heavily outnumbered the cops. This did unfortunately not go as planned when two of the cops started shooting at us on the ground level, at which point I returned fire from above.

[BallinByNature]

On 4/11/2020 at 4:56 AM, Alpha said:

we asumed she will be arested if she had the micro ammo on her

 

On 4/11/2020 at 5:28 AM, Kirky said:

possibly was getting searched

 

On 4/11/2020 at 6:06 AM, Hrale said:

radioed in that Zs need backup and that some of them are getting arrested. 

(she wasn't)

On 4/11/2020 at 6:15 AM, ParsaPelox said:

our gang member is being pulled over and eventually detained ( What we were receiving on radio)

 

On 4/11/2020 at 7:28 AM, Pvle said:

sasha said that she might have Micro smg ammo on her

 

On 4/11/2020 at 10:24 AM, Eriksen said:

possibly getting arrested north of Maze Arena and that she was carrying heavy ammo.

"Possibly" being arrested, or "possibly" having ammo on her while in a conversation with cops is not a valid reason to take multiple cops hostage and then stick around in the area proceeding to immediately kill any cops who enter.

The intentions are stated that your goal was to do a quick grab and take your ally. Yet instead you killed your ally shooting directly at her (Sasha) and stick in the area with absolutely no caution or haste about you or medical attention for her, cutting officers hair. 
  
 

On 4/11/2020 at 6:42 AM, Hoxton_Curry said:

"Why do you believe it is a good idea to call a hit on police officers based off radio'd information which was an assumption that she was 'about to' be frisked?"

I don't understand why would you ask this, this is completely IC, the officers were given demands and 2 of them ignored them and aimed their weapons so they got shot dead, I don't understand why are people acting like the demands were not given and that we just started shooting?

I could give demands to some random officers just because I felt like it and to take their items and / or their car and if the officer doesn't comply and gets killed that's on him, I could see how this could be bad rp to some but keep in mind to how much I'm losing if I get caught IC (AK,.50, My vehicle, fines, prison time) but no matter how you put it's definitely not DM.

Again, 2 officers were killed for ignoring demands 
 

14. Deathmatch (DM)

• Deathmatching is the act of attacking a player without a proper roleplay reason and interaction.

• Examples of valid reasons to attack another player:

• If they attempt to arrest or hurt you, an ally, or damage your property.

• If they report you to the police for a serious crime.

• If they are not in compliance with plausible demands, attempt to escape, or call backup.

 

I find it interesting how you asked me if it's a good idea but you didn't ask the officers if its a good idea to aim their guns in a 2vs10 situation or if it's a good idea to start running away when you're completely surrounded and your friend next to you just got shot dead by 10 people?

https://gyazo.com/2424467e7a3f5a598b9d1099ae55cf81

I dont care if you understand why I am asking a question. Your job is to answer it. 

I also dont care if you find it interesting what i've asked other players in the report. Your job is not to investigate the report against you or dictate what is asked and investigated first, thats mine.

You say you can give demands to random officers because you felt like it to take their items, but this is not true without a good RP reason / environment to do so, and you're also not doing this in this situation so even if it was true, it is irrelevant. This is a hostage situation with a demand for release of a prisoner in your own intentions, not a mugging because they got caught out alone.

I did not ask why the officers were shot, I asked why you believed it was OK to call in a hostage situation with police involved based off the assumption she may have ammo, and may be arrested in the future and it looks as though you do not intend to give a valid reason for calling in a hostage situation.

The reason this is NOT fear RP on behalf of the officers is due to the distance they are at when they decide to draw their weapons. You can see one of them draw before you're even out of your cars at 3:20. They should certainly fear for their lives which I think they show signs of as soon as they sensed trouble by beginning to run backwards and draw weapons to defend, however they are NOT under fear Rp in the sense that they do not have any options. Due to the distance it is not reasonable to say that you would be able to end their life at will when they are drawing/aiming. 

At the time the shoot out starts, there are 2-4 people getting out of their cars, this is not 2v10 as you're indicating. They cannot be held accountable for knowing you have 2-3 more cars arriving and several people in bushes/alleyways etc at the time when the see 3 cars approaching and begin to make their decisions. 

By all means its a poor choice and one that got them killed, but it is not FearRP because they had those choices to make given the distance.

As stated in rule 15:

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• Players are allowed to kidnap or to take other players hostage for these specific reasons:

• You have to have a roleplay reason to kill the victim in accordance with the a, b, and c points under DM section.

The reason it may be a rule violation would be on rule 15 is not because of killing the officers once the situation was unfolding and they made a choice to defend, it would be for taking multiple officers hostage without a reason that is in accordance with DM rules, as an assumption of being under arrest is not a reason to take a hostage.



I feel as though your supplied intention as a group is not what is being attempted. There was 0 attempt to quote:

On 4/11/2020 at 5:28 AM, Kirky said:

hold up all the officers and escape with our ally before any more officers pulled up to the scene

 

On 2/23/2020 at 10:16 AM, Donovan said:

to get you on knees, remove radios and phones, cuff you and drive away, 

 

On 4/11/2020 at 4:56 AM, Alpha said:

 literally it should of been smooth as butter

 

but instead it was the officers fault of dying that forced your group to take root in the middle of the street, talk shit, shave hair, and continuously kill any cop that showed up to the area instead of provide medical attention or even remote concern for the ally you gunned down and make this quick get away you intended on. I'm not sure how them dying forces you to stick around longer to loot their food and water and hair fibers.

 

Hoxton Curry will be punished for Non-RP #2 - Poor RP Standard when attempting to rescue an ally / take hostages

Dwayne Donovan will be punished for Non-RP #3 - Poor RP Standard when attempting to rescue an ally / take hostages

Silas_Debose will be punished for Non-RP #2 - Poor RP Standard when attempting to rescue an ally / take hostages

Sasha_Vasilyev will be punished for Non-RP#7 - for Poor RP standard when taking hostages. However Sasha is already banned for unrelated offenses. 

The rest of the group will be given a verbal warning as they were following orders based off poor information that they must also make sure that they are in accordance to high quality hostage RP when deciding to take hostages, instead of staying in the area for an extreme amount of time after engaging on a poor reason.