ID 169, ID214 [Non RP, Ncz]

[Essentialant]

Player(s) being reported: ID 169
Date of interaction reported: 22/2/2020
Unix time stamp from HUD: 1582391432

Your characters name: Anthony Laurie 

Other player(s) involved: Ford Davis

Specific rule(s) broken:

8. Non-Roleplay (NRP)

• Actions that are unrealistic or promote poor quality roleplay are considered as non-roleplay.

• Examples of actions that are considered as non-roleplay:

• Cop Baiting - Provoking a reaction from emergency services without a realistic reason.

• Mercy Killing - Asking to be killed by a friend (Killing a friend falls under deathmatching).

• Unrealistic stunt jumping or the use of an expensive vehicle to ram into other vehicles.

• Spawning a scripted work vehicle and using it for crimes or submerging any vehicle in water.

• Swimming in water for an unrealistic amount of time or without a destination during a chase.

• Players who disconnect during roleplay must reconnect and inform other parties in order to resume roleplay. If you are unable to reconnect it may be excused after providing proof.

• In a situation where a player gets away from an incident where they're being chased/pursued, they must wait 15 minutes before they can logout. Players should not instigate roleplay situations if they do not have time to play it through. 

• Players who ignore answering roleplay commands directed at them, e.g. /do.

• In a situation where a player’s game crashes or the player is kicked from the server, they should be allowed to have the same advantages as they have had before their leave.

• Players should not deprive other players of roleplay, e.g. early on the interaction asking them not to speak unless it makes sense in the roleplay situation.

11. No Crime Zones (NCZ)

A no crime zone is an area where players may not commit any actions considered crimes.

Players must not disobey orders of law enforcement officers but are allowed to flee.

The /NCZ command and HUD notification are indicators of being in a protected area although it is up to administrator discretion if your actions are in violation of NCZ rules.

If a player uses the NCZ for protection the attacker must wait for that player to leave the area.

Players may not go to a NCZ after engaging in criminal activity resulting in an ongoing chase.

NO CRIME ZONES: 

• “Tequil La La” club, “Yellow Jack Inn” bar, and the block around them.

• All government offices, law enforcement offices, hospitals, banks, and the blocks around them.

• Los Santos Airport, Bus Depot, Department of Motor Vehicles, and the block around them.

How did the player break the rule(s)? 

 i went to tequilala to play poker my ally was telling someone to come outside so i noticed like 4-5 people getting up and following as well so i got off the table deposited my money and ran around the building incase they tried to rob him so i heard shots from behind the building and turned the corner to like 4 people shooting him so i downed 2 of them and the others ran back into tequilala and kept running back and forth coming back to the scene then ID 169 runs to the atm at tequilala as you see in the video and rolls out of the NCZ to aim a gun at me then runs back again then once again he comes out and starts shooting when i downed him the other guy came and went close to him so i scared him off aswell then i notice theres noone around ID 169 and he hands money to someone with no rp and at a unrealistic length away and then that person also runs into tequilala. ID 214 Did the same thing as well but instead stayed in there. (also i Notified him that i was reporting aswell so that he can save his POV.)

Evidence Provided: 

https://streamable.com/m9jx3

https://streamable.com/bt2mm

 

[Aldarine]

Thank you for making this player report.

This report is pending review from myself. I will be with you shortly!

Best Regards,

Aldarine

[Aldarine]

Thank you for your patience as I reviewed the report. Prior to concluding this report, I would like to hear statements from the players as specified below. 

Rock_Attah | ID 169 @asfr77 - Please provide your point of view in regards to the reported situation. Along with this, please tell me if you believe that returning to an NCZ following participation in a gun fight is a good display of roleplay. Is having a gunfight right across the street acceptable behavior? Next, please explain why you believe it to be reasonable to give another player cash that is nowhere near in close proximity to you. Finally, please explain why, after you died as a result of the shootout, did you shortly afterwards ask if ID 214 had your money and then subsequently return to Tequilala when you died right across the street? As always, should you have any recording or screenshots from your perspective, it would be much appreciated.

Kofi_Attah | ID 214 @Paulekas - Please provide your point of view in regards to the reported situation. Along with this, can you please explain if you believe that returning to an NCZ following participation in a gun fight is a good display of roleplay. Is having a gunfight right across the street acceptable behavior? As always, should you have any recording or screenshots from your perspective, it would be much appreciated.

@Essentialant - Do you believe that having a gunfight openly across the street from an NCZ is good and realistic behavior?

The above mentioned players will be notified in game as appropriate and will receive 24 hours to provide their side of the story. We look forward to hearing back from you!

Best Regards,

Aldarine

[Essentialant]

I went to watch out for my ally, at first i thought they were going to fist fight until i saw Id 169 take a gun out in the NCZ so i decided to take position in case anything went south. but i do not think this is good or realistic behavior but my ally was in danger i also don't feel its realistic to not help considering we are gang members in the same gang. 

[Kofi]

ID 214 here. Dont have much to say. Green guy asked if your friend wants to go outside,we followed them. Our guy pointed a gun at 1 green guy to scare him then that guy instantly started shooting. Since I didnt have a gun and I couldnt help my friends I was just running around. About the money Rock gave me. I was next to him when he gave it to me. When you give someone money AME of it stays for about 5seconds and as you can see when reported party saw the text it disappeared in about 1 second.

https://prnt.sc/r68tga

You can see I was already running with the money.

 

Edited February 22, 2020 by followinkitnx_maybach420

[Aldarine]

Thank you kindly for your patience as I thoroughly reviewed this report and sincere apologies for the delay. All involved parties have been given more than an adequate amount of time to provide a response and as such this report will be concluded based off of provided statements and evidence given so far. This report will be concluded as follows:

Player Rock_Attah will receive a warning for the reported incident.

Player Anthony_Laurie will receive a warning for the reported incident.

To explain the rationale for this warning on both above mentioned players, I would like to point your attention in the direction of the first submitted video provided as evidence by the reporting party. This scene begins within the bounds of an NCZ and subsequently leads to a fire fight directly outside the bounds of an NCZ. I am willing to overlook the initial gunfight that began outside of the NCZ and cite it as escalation, however, at timestamp 3:33 on the first video, one player exits the NCZ to open fire upon the reporting party which is met with return gunfire. Now while I know that the return fire on the reporting party's behalf was in retaliation to being fired upon, engagement from both sides in no way contributes to an immersive environment. Engaging in criminal activity right outside of an NCZ simply because the scripted bound ends is not acceptable and this was stated within the December rule clarification as cited below:

For example, is it really realistic to be wielding Assault Rifles and causing havoc on the street opposite of a NCZ because the scripted NCZ ends there? Not really. Server staff can punish case by case basis if they deem an action as a violation of this rule, should it happen near the border of an NCZ. 

Due to violation of the above mentioned clarification I will be issuing these warnings to serve as a note on your record. Please be advised that this is simply a note and not a formal punishment, however, should you be involved in a similar situation where you are taking part in criminal activity directly outside the bounds of an NCZ, you may face harsher reprimands. We ask that all players contribute to an immersive environment and not take advantage of scripted NCZ end bounds as clear grounds to engage. Again, this does not contribute to good roleplay and is not realistic by any means.

Report partially accepted.

Best Regards,

Aldarine