HandsomeMenace Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 Player(s) being reported: ID 14 and 186 Date of interaction reported: 2/20/20 Unix time stamp from HUD: 1582252711 Your characters name: Richtor Moodle Other player(s) involved: Mordecai Moodle Specific rule(s) broken: 8. Non-Roleplay (NRP) Actions that are unrealistic or promote poor quality roleplay are considered as non-roleplay. The players intentionally wrecked the vehicle of a character that should not have been involved in the RP situation. 14. Deathmatch (DM) Deathmatching is the act of attacking a player without a proper roleplay reason and interaction. • If they are not in compliance with plausible demands, attempt to escape, or call backup. A player cannot kill their victim if the victim is in compliance with the demands. A player must allow their victim enough time to comply with the demands. The players attacked and killed a new player who did not have a chance to comply to their demands. How did the player break the rule(s)? DISCLAIMER: I have never made a report before and did not know I needed to inform the players that I was reporting them. I am still relatively new and only just lost my ((new player)) tag. I logged out a few minutes after waking up at the hospital - at which point I considered the situation over due to NLR. My buddy and are stopped for gas. He is in a Warrener with a ((new player)) tag. I am driving some suped up car that I stole. I notice these two guys in a car try to block me in at the gas station, so I reverse and get the heck out of there. My buddy, being a in a slow warrener, can't escape the guys and they pit him, get out, and start pointing guns at him. So, I spin around and try to hit one with my car (in the process I hit his car which I will admit was accidentally ramming with an expensive vehicle I did not own). I was shot and killed, which was totally legit, I am NOT claiming to be the victim. However, they did wreck my friend's car, after which they got out and threatened my friend. I believe I was within the rules to try to defend him. After they killed me, they turned to my friend and shot him until he was injured and incapacitated. According to my friend, they told him to exit the vehicle but did not give him enough time to comply before killing him. My report is specifically that they 1) Wrecked the vehicle of a new player, who should not have been involved in the RP situation. 2) Attacked him without reason - he was unarmed in a vehicle they just rolled. And 3) Killed him before he could meet any of their demands. Evidence of rule breach: In the pictures below, Mordecai Moodle (33) is standing but incapacitate inside the vehicle. The first picture has a timestamp in the chat. The player PM'd me to say that I rammed, which I know is against the rules - I was not trying to ram the vehicle, they were out and on foot at this point. I specifically waited for them to get out of their car before I tried to run them over. Another thought I had was that the vehicle I was driving was not mine, and I had no character reason to care about the vehicle. I was trying to bring it to a chop-shop but it had moved and I couldn't do anything with the car anyway. I was trying to use my one allowed vehicle attack to run over the gunmen who were threatening my friend. After that, I got out of the vehicle and tried to attack them with my fists, which is when they killed me. Again, the kill on me was totally legit - but the attack against my friend should never have happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krooks365 Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) Thank you for making this report @HandsomeMenace This will now be reviewed by @froggytommy and myself. Your patience while it is being reviewed is appreciated. Edited February 21, 2020 by krooks365 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesson Smith Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) I'm Wessone Smith ID number 186** in shown screenshots. the real story is super short and simple on this case. Me and ID 14 were also at the gas station buying food and drinks when we exited the store we noticed "Richtor Moodle" getting into my car, IE STEALING it. once he noticed we saw what he was doing he drove off in MY car followed by his friend that was the lookout in the warrener... I ordered the driver of the warrnier to freeze and raise his hands until police arrived.. within a half second "Richtor Moodle" rammed us purposely in attempt to VDM us. We opened fire and killed both players, firstly due to the KOS rule and him jacking my vehicle.. and secondly because he was clearly attacking us with his car. after this we also RPly drove to the LSPD and reported the shooting to the police and spoke to Officer Church. Edited February 21, 2020 by Wesson Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesson Smith Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 If you're friend engages in RP that consists of him stealing another players vehicle his "new player" status doesn't save him from being killed. you cant drive around stealing peoples cars and expect to not get chased and killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itsuki916 Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) I was the one who initiated the shooting, i fired right after the person who posted this tried to ram and harm me and Wesson with his car. when he failed i immediately shot him through his window and downed him. we didnt have time to continue roleplaying as they're friends started showing up and calling backup me and wesson then drove till we found police and reported the incident since we both have legal weapon permits. Officer Church took our report and escorted us back to safe area where we could then change clothing and slip back into safety he deemed our situation self defense. Edited February 21, 2020 by Itsuki916 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HandsomeMenace Posted February 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Wesson Smith said: Me and ID 14 were also at the gas station buying food and drinks when we exited the store we noticed "Richtor Moodle" getting into my car, IE STEALING it. once he noticed we saw what he was doing he drove off in MY car followed by his friend that was the lookout in the warrener... I ordered the driver of the warrnier to freeze and raise his hands until police arrived.. within a half second "Richtor Moodle" rammed us purposely in attempt to VDM us. That's just not the truth. Both of the above posts are lies. First, I stole the car from around Grove Street, not the gas station like they claimed. I was driving it for at least 15 minutes before the incident. My friend can't be a "lookout" because there was nothing to look out for? My friend was going to give me a ride back from the chop shop, but it had moved and I decided to drive it around looking for the new location after my friend met up with me. If the mods check my logs they will see that I accessed the trunk well before this incident. I don't actually know if that type of event is logged, but it's worth a shot. Second, you weren't just leaving the store because you came up behind us in a vehicle. I didn't even have time to start fueling the car. I jumped back into it and left asap, yelling at my friend to run. You rolled around the pumps in front of me to block me in. I was able to escape. If I had sped off you would have continued to threaten my friend. Thirdly, you were threatening my friend after wrecking his vehicle. It's well within the rules to hit you with my car once. So not VDM. He was unarmed, had not threatened you, and was sitting in a stalled warrener after you rolled it over with your car. That is by definition Deathmatch. Fourth, if I was stealing your vehicle, why would you hold up a bystander while the supposed car thief was escaping to wait for the police? You said that you were ordering him to wait for the police with his hands up, but you also said he was sitting in his warrener. A clear contradiction The pictures above clearly show us in the road, not at a gas station, so it's very clear that you chased us down, spun out the warrener, BEFORE killing us. Only after you spun out the warrener did I try to run you over. Lastly, what backup are you talking about? I have 3 contacts in my phone and one of them was with me. We're both new players as of maybe a week ago. No guns, no gang. Edit: police came to the scene of the shooting and treated me and my friend (I died, however). Officer Church claiming it was self defense is IC information. It doesn't mean you didn't break the rules. The chat logs will clearly show me and my friend RPing a medical treatment after the shooting. There was no one else involved. An officer happened upon us by chance and called for medical and additional officers. A sheriff took the vehicle I was driving away from the scene. I bet you'll find that vehicle doesn't belong the above player - and if it does, it is an absolute fluke that I happened to pull into the gas station where he was. Check and see if the sheriff reported the plate of that vehicle to the station and compare it to the above player's plate. I'm confident they won't match. Edited February 21, 2020 by HandsomeMenace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesson Smith Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, HandsomeMenace said: That's just not the truth. Both of the above posts are lies. First, I stole the car from around Grove Street, not the gas station like they claimed. I was driving it for at least 15 minutes before the incident. My friend can't be a "lookout" because there was nothing to look out for? My friend was going to give me a ride back from the chop shop, but it had moved and I decided to drive it around looking for the new location after my friend met up with me. If the mods check my logs they will see that I accessed the trunk well before this incident. I don't actually know if that type of event is logged, but it's worth a shot. Second, you weren't just leaving the store because you came up behind us in a vehicle. I didn't even have time to start fueling the car. I jumped back into it and left asap, yelling at my friend to run. You rolled around the pumps in front of me to block me in. I was able to escape. If I had sped off you would have continued to threaten my friend. Thirdly, you were threatening my friend after wrecking his vehicle. It's well within the rules to hit you with my car once. So not VDM. He was unarmed, had not threatened you, and was sitting in a stalled warrener after you rolled it over with your car. That is by definition Deathmatch. Fourth, if I was stealing your vehicle, why would you hold up a bystander while the supposed car thief was escaping to wait for the police? You said that you were ordering him to wait for the police with his hands up, but you also said he was sitting in his warrener. A clear contradiction The pictures above clearly show us in the road, not at a gas station, so it's very clear that you chased us down, spun out the warrener, BEFORE killing us. Only after you spun out the warrener did I try to run you over. Lastly, what backup are you talking about? I have 3 contacts in my phone and one of them was with me. We're both new players as of maybe a week ago. No guns, no gang. Edit: police came to the scene of the shooting and treated me and my friend (I died, however). Officer Church claiming it was self defense is IC information. It doesn't mean you didn't break the rules. The chat logs will clearly show me and my friend RPing a medical treatment after the shooting. There was no one else involved. The admins can search my chat logs and see how many times I typed /showvehicles in attempt to track you two after stealing my car lol. I also have no idea why you're reporting someone for killing you while your committing a crime, anyone else could have rolled up and said raise your hands simply because they didn't like you and it would have been fine if it resulted in the same manner simply because your in stealing peoples cars.. LET ALONE OUTSIDE DRUG LAB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HandsomeMenace Posted February 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Wesson Smith said: I also have no idea why you're reporting someone for killing you while your committing a crime, anyone else could have rolled up and said raise your hands simply because they didn't like you and it would have been fine if it resulted in the same manner simply because your in stealing peoples cars.. LET ALONE OUTSIDE DRUG LAB. I'm not reporting you for killing me. I said that a few times. You rolled my friend's car and attacked him. I'm reporting the fact that you shot up someone who was unarmed before they could comply with any demands. I was driving your car, not him. I attacked you, not him. You were justified in killing me, not my pal. If it was your car, why didn't you take it after the shooting? You must have tracked me all the way from the city only to kill us both and then leave it behind. Why? Now you contradicted yourself again. Your first post says you were just leaving the station getting snacks and now you are saying you were spamming /showvehicles to track me down from the city. Edit: I don't see what the drug lab has to do with anything. I've been playing for a week, I didn't even know that was a drug lab. We were looking for cheap property to buy a house. Edited February 21, 2020 by HandsomeMenace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesson Smith Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 2 hours ago, HandsomeMenace said: I'm not reporting you for killing me. I said that a few times. You rolled my friend's car and attacked him. I'm reporting the fact that you shot up someone who was unarmed before they could comply with any demands. I was driving your car, not him. I attacked you, not him. You were justified in killing me, not my pal. If it was your car, why didn't you take it after the shooting? You must have tracked me all the way from the city only to kill us both and then leave it behind. Why? Now you contradicted yourself again. Your first post says you were just leaving the station getting snacks and now you are saying you were spamming /showvehicles to track me down from the city. Edit: I don't see what the drug lab has to do with anything. I've been playing for a week, I didn't even know that was a drug lab. We were looking for cheap property to buy a house. I think there is a giant miss understanding here. Your friend died simply because he was associated with you RPly stealing my car.. he was obviously your get away driver from the /chopshop location as you said, and form you telling him to run from us at the gas station. Also the only reason why I didn't take my car was literally 12 triads noticed that we killed you and thought we were getting into trouble in their area and began to chase us all the way back to LSPD.. the officer named "Church" can confirm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minidoom Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 I was the player who got flipped and shot. All I heard from my friend was, "run". Those guys pit manoeuvre my car and total it, my friend comes back and tries to hit one with his car, and then gets out. They shoot and kill him, which was justified. They then shoot me in my stalled car. I probably said 2 words in the whole exchange. Basically had no idea what was going on. They could've just taken their car back, but they shot me and left it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HandsomeMenace Posted February 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 @Wesson Smith I'm willing to write this off as a misunderstanding if that really was your car I was driving. From my perspective it was a random attack - just cause it's impossible for me to know whose car I'm driving, really. From my perspective your business was with me and not my pal, which is what I was making a fuss about. I don't think it excuses the fact that some parts of your story seem fabricated. But that's not for me to worry about. I'll leave this thread as-is for now and see what the reviewers think. I assume it will come back inconclusive. If that's the case then I won't mention it again and we can go back to roleplaying with no hard feelings. (The encounter was fun, it just seemed unnecessary to execute my buddy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krooks365 Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 Thank you all for providing your side. Please refrain from replying again unless to add more evidence. Your patience while we review this is appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
froggytommy Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 Is there a video POV from anyone involved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HandsomeMenace Posted February 22, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 1 hour ago, froggytommy said: Is there a video POV from anyone involved? I don't. I don't believe the other party does either. At this point I'm willing to just move on if a conclusion can't be drawn. No harm, no foul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesson Smith Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 2 hours ago, froggytommy said: Is there a video POV from anyone involved? me nor abel have video, sorry. we're also willing to completely forget this instance like the OP said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
froggytommy Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 Noted Locked and archived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
