ID 6 DM, NRP.

[Mr2Peu]

Player(s) being reported: ID 6
Date of interaction reported: 10/27/2019
Unix time stamp from HUD: 61 | 1572144403

Your characters name: Yuri Khalashnikov

Other player(s) involved: ID: 152, 46, 62, 59.

Specific rule(s) broken: DM, NRP

14. Deathmatch (DM)

• Deathmatching is the act of attacking a player or their property without a proper roleplay reason.

• Examples of valid reasons to attack another player:

• If they attempt to arrest or hurt you, an ally, or damage your property.

• If they report you to the police for a serious crime.

• If they are not in compliance with demands, attempt to escape, or call other players for help in a situation where they are required to display fear under fear roleplay rules.

• A player cannot kill their victim if the victim is in compliance with the demands.

• A player must allow their victim enough time to comply with the demands.

• If a player informs you that your VOIP isn’t working, you must either fix your VOIP using appropriate commands or use text to deliver your demand(s).

• Vehicles cannot be used to attack another player more than once including a failed attempt.

• Attacking another player with no engagement in roleplay is not allowed.

• Killing a player that has obeyed all orders and demands during a roleplay situation is allowed, with roleplay, only within 3 hours of:

  1.  Severe hostile or criminal action is taken against you, e.g. someone is robbing you at gunpoint. (Excluding police aiming a gun at you.)

  2.   Someone is attempting to take your life.

  3.   Someone is attempting to take the life of your close friend or ally, or if you have witnessed it happen.

• You must explain your reason to kill to the player IC and have OOC evidence proving your reason.

8. Non-Roleplay (NRP)

• Actions that are unrealistic or promote poor quality roleplay are considered as non-roleplay.

• Examples of actions that are considered as non-roleplay:

• Cop Baiting - Provoking a reaction from emergency services without a realistic reason.

• Mercy Killing - Asking to be killed by a friend (Killing a friend falls under deathmatching).

• Unrealistic stunt jumping or the use of an expensive vehicle to ram into other vehicles.

• Spawning a scripted work vehicle and using it for crimes or submerging any vehicle in water.

• Swimming in water for an unrealistic amount of time or without a destination during a chase.

• Players who disconnect during roleplay must reconnect and inform other parties in order to resume roleplay. If you are unable to reconnect it may be excused after providing proof.

• In a situation where a player gets away from an incident where they're being chased/pursued, they must wait 15 minutes before they can logout. Players should not instigate roleplay situations if they do not have time to play it through. 

• Players who ignore answering roleplay commands directed at them, e.g. /do.

• In a situation where a player’s game crashes or the player is kicked from the server, they should be allowed to have the same advantages as they have had before their leave.

How did the player break the rule(s)?:

In the video can easy be see what happen, anyway, we got in a altercation with their gang, they threat and shoot 2 of my members in front of us, even tho, we got stopped closed to Sandy MD trying to fix this problem. I had the opportunity to open fire at them,  but I decided not to since a lot of cops was around that area and we was close to the CCTV cameras of Sandy MD. On my way back to my car trying to leave the area to not be involved in a bad roleplay experience, ID 6 out of nowhere decided to RAM me with a sport car, smashing into a different car then in the tree resulting in me being killed. In top of everything, a few of my members got DM-ed without being a threat. Anyway, the hole scenario was a huge DM, but unfortunately on my screen that's all I could get. The other players involved will upload  their point of view too.

Evidence of rule breach:

 

[alexalex303]

Hello.

I'm involved, I'm in the Entity XF. 

I would also like to ask @Mr2Peu to not hide evidence that clears the reported party from VDM. Before the video begins, the reporter aimed his gun at one of us, giving the Schafter V12 perfect reason to ram.

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All video and screenshot evidence may not be edited or tampered with in any way. Posting tampered or manufactured evidence may result in a ban from the game.

Edited October 27, 2019 by alexalex303
removed irrelevant bits

[Sahandbagheri]

im invovled on this report too im just telling the man in schaffter cant ram because its super car and its not good idea to use for ram if i ram with thats car i will get punished for vdm .

 

[Mr2Peu]

3 hours ago, alexalex303 said:

Hello.

I'm involved, I'm in the Entity XF. 

I'd like to ask @Mr2Peu about his motivations for making this report. The Russian forum war machine is already in full force with the likes.

and this is what Revelt DeOrtiz, the leader of the Russian Mafia PMed me after the situation.

This is in line with the faction's mantra of reporting every time they lose a shootout, which is becoming much more frequent now that their weapon cache is dwindling.

I would also like to ask @Mr2Peu to not hide evidence that clears the reported party from VDM. Before the video begins, the reporter aimed his gun at one of us, giving the Schafter V12 perfect reason to ram.

Quote

All video and screenshot evidence may not be edited or tampered with in any way. Posting tampered or manufactured evidence may result in a ban from the game.

I'll be forwarding this information to the faction management team for review, as this kind of OOC forum war is clearly being endorsed by the faction leader, and it is not something that is productive nor generates good RP.

Hello Alex and thank you for answering on this report. Since you said the "truth" based on your point of view, let's face the reality then. I will like to add a couple of things:
1. You bring OOC hate for my previous character Gregor Smith into the new one, acting like you know me from a long time in front of MD, even if you CK your character. Making fake statements about me, having a forum war or something.
2. To make it simple and clear, I have no idea why you involve Russian Mafia in this report, I'm not part of the Russian Mafia, I'm with Valors. If you hate them, don't judge them because somebody report a rule-break in your West Coast Assassins paradise.
3. You state that "we" as Russian Mafia report you after losing a shoot out every time. This is the first time when we have an altercation and in top of everything, there is no shoot out, your guy rammed me with a sport car and killed me even if he was not present to the location.
4. This report is not about you, this report it's about ID 6, what was your ID? Since I'm reporting only ID 6, I will like him to defend himself. 
5. You state that I'm hiding evidence, there is no edit in this video and nothing changed. 
6. About your picture, ID 6 was not witness to that part, he came out of nowhere and ramm me with his car. I'm not sure if you order him to do so and if you use your low rank member as pawns in this "forum war" as you said. If you feel guilty on doing that, don't get aggressive and mad on people who are not involved in this report. Everybody is doing mistakes, that guy might be hype because of the adrenaline rush and forget this is a Role-Play server not a Deathmatch one. 

 

[Revelt]

Hello, ID 106 Revelt is here. i just wanted to tell you, its only me and Rose Hudson are The Russian, the rest of member are The Valors.
if you want to know, that PM is only to let you know that your member is Breaking Rules NON-RP. which is ram their sportcar to my contender from far away until my contender can fly up in the sky.. i said on PM that i will report your member, which is i didnt even report them.

In this case alexalex as support team (staff member) teaching us not to report player for breaking rules and ruin their RP.
which is xypint as my ex-handler told me, if someone ruin your RP and make you not enjoy the RP because of breaking rules. you can report it, instead of bring the toxicity or hate to discord. and yeah even we're getting beef IC OOC, i always and will always respect and super friendly also patient until now.



And yeah, i didnt report the situation when i was in front of LSD when your sport car ram my car, its clearly NRP.
i spoke with @Fuz already and i didnt upset because of losing stuff, i upset because you guys still continue the RP when you guys know thats rules breaking.
we know that player dont have power for pause rp. but if you guys know rules work and how to enjoy RP together. you guys will not said "they're stalled, stalled, go go go", instead of "it was desync, letsgo re-rp, continue chasing". this it not the first times i got Rammed until stalled. i just never wanted to record because reporting player is kinda annoying. i learn from this situation, when you clearly NRP or hit someone because of desync or something and they got stalled. just continue the RP and not to stall in /b . thats what i learn for past and further.

Edited October 27, 2019 by Revelt

[alexalex303]

6 hours ago, Mr2Peu said:

Hello Alex and thank you for answering on this report. Since you said the "truth" based on your point of view, let's face the reality then. I will like to add a couple of things:
1. You bring OOC hate for my previous character Gregor Smith into the new one, acting like you know me from a long time in front of MD, even if you CK your character. Making fake statements about me, having a forum war or something.
2. To make it simple and clear, I have no idea why you involve Russian Mafia in this report, I'm not part of the Russian Mafia, I'm with Valors. If you hate them, don't judge them because somebody report a rule-break in your West Coast Assassins paradise.
3. You state that "we" as Russian Mafia report you after losing a shoot out every time. This is the first time when we have an altercation and in top of everything, there is no shoot out, your guy rammed me with a sport car and killed me even if he was not present to the location.
4. This report is not about you, this report it's about ID 6, what was your ID? Since I'm reporting only ID 6, I will like him to defend himself. 
5. You state that I'm hiding evidence, there is no edit in this video and nothing changed. 
6. About your picture, ID 6 was not witness to that part, he came out of nowhere and ramm me with his car. I'm not sure if you order him to do so and if you use your low rank member as pawns in this "forum war" as you said. If you feel guilty on doing that, don't get aggressive and mad on people who are not involved in this report. Everybody is doing mistakes, that guy might be hype because of the adrenaline rush and forget this is a Role-Play server not a Deathmatch one. 

1. I didn't act like I know you, however there are a number of assumptions I make when you're grouped up with russians in a white car.

2. Because you were in a white car, with russians, hiding at MD, while you were also featured on a russian mafia post that has since then been removed.

3. The reason this is the first time we have an altercation (recently) is because you were perma-banned, you made plently of forum reports in the past when you were losing the war as a Calavera.

4. My ID was 53. 

5. You are hiding evidence because you started your video right after you stopped aiming at his allies, which would give him reason to ram.

6. Post the full video, with no cuts, and we can see what he witnessed and what he didn't.

Edited October 27, 2019 by alexalex303

[Fuz]

Hello, I am ID 6 (Lester_Davis).

I do not have no POV of anything as no one told me I was going to be reported. However, I believe that the reporting party is tampering with the evidence and has deliberately started his video at a certain time in an attempt to make it seem that I VDM'd. 

The reporting party, ten seconds before the video starts, aimed his weapon at our gang, then the rest of the video shows what happened. As for the NonRP claim, that was all desync as I went directly for Gregor (ID 61) and not the vehicles. 

I believe that the reporting party should be punished, he did not notify anyone that he was going to report so no one has evidence, and he has purposely edited his videos to support his false claims. 

It is upsetting that this comes from a man who once lead a very big criminal faction and is now doing stuff like this, editing his videos and not telling anyone he is reporting so that his video is untouchable, I ask him to provide us with the full clip of what really happened. 

Let me know what else is needed on my end!

[Mr2Peu]

1 hour ago, alexalex303 said:

1. I didn't act like I know you, however there are a number of assumptions I make when you're grouped up with russians in a white car.

Again, there was  Valors, only 2 russians was there. But that's not important for this report.
 

 

1 hour ago, alexalex303 said:

2. Because you were in a white car, with russians, hiding at MD, while you were also featured on a russian mafia post that has since then been removed.

I have a question, why you lie? We came at MD after one of our members had a bike accident and we took him to the hospital to get treatment. A PD officer passed by and he manage to offer CPR to keep the man alive until a medic manage to get him. Then you all rush at MD making threats.

 

 

1 hour ago, alexalex303 said:

3. The reason this is the first time we have an altercation (recently) is because you were perma-banned, you made plently of forum reports in the past when you were losing the war as a Calavera.

I'f I'm not mistaking, when Calaveras was in war, you was in PD, no gang affiliated and you didn't interact with me. I have no idea why you bring in my punishment in the past, I was in the city when you create your gang and failed open IVL. That's OOC anyway and not related to this reportm, again I have no idea why you bring this here.

 

 

1 hour ago, alexalex303 said:

5. You are hiding evidence because you started your video right after you stopped aiming at his allies, which would give him reason to ram.

6. Post the full video, with no cuts, and we can see what he witnessed and what he didn't.

I do have a full video with everything that happen and I can assure you that ID 6 was never present to the scene, in top of that on the full video one of your guys is doing FEAR RP, that's the reason why I decided to get only the part what really got me angry. You guys consider yourself a good quality roleplay gang.. but beside the fact that you scream like monkeys all the time in game (which is normal, you are a criminal in the end), the first time when we had a face to face meeting, you broke a couple of rules. I had a lot of opportunities to open fire, ram you, and KOS, but I decided not to because that's just poor RP. If admins will ask me to do so, except you who are involved in this report, I will upload a longer video.

 

Edited October 27, 2019 by Mr2Peu

[Mr2Peu]

30 minutes ago, Fuz said:

I do not have no POV of anything as no one told me I was going to be reported. However, I believe that the reporting party is tampering with the evidence and has deliberately started his video at a certain time in an attempt to make it seem that I VDM'd. 

if this is what Alex told you to say, it's wrong, I will upload a longer video in a few moments, don't worry about that.

 

 

31 minutes ago, Fuz said:

The reporting party, ten seconds before the video starts, aimed his weapon at our gang, then the rest of the video shows what happened. As for the NonRP claim, that was all desync as I went directly for Gregor (ID 61) and not the vehicles. 

First, ten seconds before video starting, you was nowhere around to be able to see the scene. That means you didn't had a valid reason to KOS me. Might be desync, hitting the other car, and I'm pretty confident it is, but that tree and the hill are not moving, they where there all the time, and you decide to smash your 300k car directly in them to kill me. I'm pretty sure that the other members in car could easy shot me trough the window if it's about roleplay, this is what a criminal gang would do in real life, not smashing their car in a tree with the police around them. 

P.S. quote: "as I went directly for Gregor (ID 61)" with hate and pleasure. I can conside this metagame, since my name is Yuri Khalashnikov and I had a surgery and everybody knows that. So again, here is just OOC hate for Gregor Smith. 

 

39 minutes ago, Fuz said:

I believe that the reporting party should be punished, he did not notify anyone that he was going to report so no one has evidence, and he has purposely edited his videos to support his false claims. 

Should I get punished that I consider you broke a rule and I want that to be investigated? I'm pretty sure that somebody who was with have a video with you being there, you just need to ask. There was no edit added to this video, I just cut the part where you came out of nowhere and smash into me. A longer video will be uploaded soon. False claims? You are not the one who decide that.

 

 

42 minutes ago, Fuz said:

It is upsetting that this comes from a man who once lead a very big criminal faction and is now doing stuff like this, editing his videos and not telling anyone he is reporting so that his video is untouchable, I ask him to provide us with the full clip of what really happened. 

Again, you just confirm that there is only OOC hate from the previous name of Gregor Smith. Memorize the name: Yuri Khalashnikov, GANG: Valors! Don't bring the past into reports, there is nothing relative about that.

[Mr2Peu]

Alright, so here is the full video with the scenario what happen there. Since they asked me to bring a longer video, I did so. With this occasion, I also want to report ID 30 for Fear Role Play, he had a gun pointed at his head in very close range while he was in a Cabrio car with the windows and the hood down. Even if I told them to stop there (which was a demand offered from a car so it's not necessary valid) ID 30 decide to get out of the car while had the gun aimed at his car, then he went back inside, I still had the gun pointed at him at very close range and there is no chance to miss from that range a lethal shot. Anyway, when I drop my gun down to type the demands (since i had some problems with VOIP and is not working all the time) he decided to take it off and leave. The FRP rule state that if: 

• Fear roleplay is the concept of roleplaying fear for your character’s safety and life.

• Examples (but not limited to), where your character’s life is considered to be in direct danger:

• When the attacker lowers their weapon to type or roleplay, your life remains in direct danger.

Still you  ignored that rule and decide to drive off.

Now for @alexalex303 I didn't want to bring this one too, because I'm not getting mad for a FRP and I don't want to have a forum war with you all. I just consider that what ID 6 did was more serious than ID 30. If you need anything else from me I will be more than happy to answer.

Also @Fuz Tell me where exactly you was when my gun was aimed at ID 30? because you came from far behind MD, impossible for you to see what's going on, and I didn't hear somebody on the radio saying that I point the gun at your friend, so I will really love to see a point of view from your car. 

Dqniel said once that you must have established your own valid reason(s) to KOS a player. And I'm not sure if you have one. Here is Dqniel statement: https://imgur.com/uXI46GF

If you have more statements to make about me, feel free to do so, if you also have questions, feel free to ask me.

 

Here is the full video that I got with everything what happen here, if you say that I edit something in this video, I will strongly advise you to upload your gang members point of view.
 

Edited October 27, 2019 by Mr2Peu

[Fuz]

Thanks for providing your full video. Your POV provides clear evidence and a valid reason for me to ram you.

As for my POV, maybe if you notified me that a report was going up, I would have had the evidence ready, however you did not do this.

I was on the entrance between yellow jack and MD and saw all this occur (I was far right) as to why I rammed you so quickly, if you had just notified me of this report, you would see evidence of this. 

In the end, I saw you aim a weapon at my allies, I went around the area and got a clear path to ram. 

Edited October 27, 2019 by Fuz

[Revelt]

1 hour ago, Mr2Peu said:

First, ten seconds before video starting, you was nowhere around to be able to see the scene. That means you didn't had a valid reason to KOS me. Might be desync, hitting the other car, and I'm pretty confident it is, but that tree and the hill are not moving, they where there all the time, and you decide to smash your 300k car directly in them to kill me. I'm pretty sure that the other members in car could easy shot me trough the window if it's about roleplay, this is what a criminal gang would do in real life, not smashing their car in a tree with the police around them.

 

Same case, i think its already promote poor RP , also no one will laugh after using their expensive vehicle on high speed for ram a truck or tree or something big / hard object.
 

• Actions that are unrealistic or promote poor quality roleplay are considered as non-roleplay.
• Unrealistic stunt jumping or the use of an expensive vehicle to ram into other vehicles.

Edited October 27, 2019 by Revelt

[Mr2Peu]

1 hour ago, Fuz said:

Thanks for providing your full video. Your POV provides clear evidence and a valid reason for me to ram you.

As for my POV, maybe if you notified me that a report was going up, I would have had the evidence ready, however you did not do this.

I was on the entrance between yellow jack and MD and saw all this occur (I was far right) as to why I rammed you so quickly, if you had just notified me of this report, you would see evidence of this. 

In the end, I saw you aim a weapon at my allies, I went around the area and got a clear path to ram. 

Bro, like honest stop lying, why you didn't say that before I post the full video? because it's not true, why you didn't come from yellow jacket then? because you was not there. You came from behind LSD where the cops was involved in shots. Not my fault that you don't have a video, I have 2TB of GTA videos and all gang conflicts are recorded in case I'm reported or I have to report somebody. The timing is saying a different story too. You was far right, but you came from left side. Sorry mate, you don't know how to lie. 
Here are words against proofs. 

[Fuz]

21 minutes ago, Mr2Peu said:

Bro, like honest stop lying, why you didn't say that before I post the full video? because it's not true, why you didn't come from yellow jacket then? because you was not there. You came from behind LSD where the cops was involved in shots. Not my fault that you don't have a video, I have 2TB of GTA videos and all gang conflicts are recorded in case I'm reported or I have to report somebody. The timing is saying a different story too. You was far right, but you came from left side. Sorry mate, you don't know how to lie. 
Here are words against proofs. 

Here I am, in your POV, in the FULL video which for some reason you provided late, witnessing it all. It is clear why you cut it in the first place now in my eyes.

Won't respond until asked by the staff member dealing with the report.

[Mr2Peu]

1 hour ago, Fuz said:

Here I am, in your POV, in the FULL video which for some reason you provided late, witnessing it all. It is clear why you cut it in the first place now in my eyes.

Won't respond until asked by the staff member dealing with the report.

Let's assume that it's you but due to the low quality you can't figure it out, anyway, slow down the video 0.50, you will see how you go around the houses, in the moment when I point the gun at them, you was not there. Good try mate  

[Mr2Peu]

Update: I manage to discuss with @Fuz OOC and we sort this problem out, this report cant be archived. Thank you.

[Brawnkoh]

Report locked and archived due to reported party working it out with other parties involved.