ID 177/183, ID 98/182 (Combat Logging/ Possible MG)

[krooks365]

Player(s) being reported: 177/183(??); 98/182 
Date of interaction reported: 10/21/19
Unix time stamp from HUD: 1571696241 //  1571696695 // 1571697568

Your characters name: Chi_Fang (103)

Other player(s) involved: 29, 90, Tyler Pong (91), Lucy McMahon (22), Lucas Kwang (109) 

Specific rule(s) broken:

8. Non-Roleplay (NRP)

• Actions that are unrealistic or promote poor quality roleplay are considered as non-roleplay.

• Examples of actions that are considered as non-roleplay:

• Cop Baiting - Provoking a reaction from emergency services without a realistic reason.

• Mercy Killing - Asking to be killed by a friend (Killing a friend falls under deathmatching).

• Unrealistic stunt jumping or the use of an expensive vehicle to ram into other vehicles.

• Spawning a scripted work vehicle and using it for crimes or submerging any vehicle in water.

• Swimming in water for an unrealistic amount of time or without a destination during a chase.

• Players who disconnect during roleplay must reconnect and inform other parties in order to resume roleplay. If you are unable to reconnect it may be excused after providing proof.

• In a situation where a player gets away from an incident where they're being chased/pursued, they must wait 15 minutes before they can logout. Players should not instigate roleplay situations if they do not have time to play it through. 

• Players who ignore answering roleplay commands directed at them, e.g. /do.

• In a situation where a player’s game crashes or the player is kicked from the server, they should be allowed to have the same advantages as they have had before their leave.

How did the player break the rule(s)?

Tyler Pong (91) and I were cooking at LSD when we were engaged upon. We entered a gun fight with two shooters and called backup. As our backup arrived one of the shooters ID 177 combat logged inside LSD. We left and followed the other shooter ID 90 on his Bati. We found a person during that chase and proceeded to rob them (ID 98) She combat logged during that robbery which was witnessed by Tyler Pong (91), Lucy Mcmahon (22), and Lucas Kwang (109). We left and found the original guy we were chasing ID 90 parked at Sandy MD. We followed and a shooting began. (This was all fine and was RPd out fine) I was quickly killed and that's when I see two of the people shooting that killed Tyler Pong and myself were the shooter and person that we had attempted to rob previously who had combat logged. They never informed me of a crash so that we could resume roleplay. I feel this is NRP for them to log out during active rp scenarios and then return to set up an ambush. I highly suspect Metagaming was involved as how they would be communicating to set up such an ambush despite logging in and out - however I have no evidence to prove this.

Evidence of rule breach:

As I am support staff my videos all include staff chat and as such I am happy to privately message the videos to the appropriate staff to review. 

[Emulsify]

Thank you for making this report @krooks365.
Myself and Dqniel would first like to apologize for the delay.

With that being said, can you please send either myself for Dqniel the evidence for this report.

Kind regards,

Emulsify and Dqniel.

[krooks365]

No worries on the delay at all  evidence sent to you Emulsify.

[Emulsify]

Thank you for submitting the provided evidence of this situation @krooks365.
After careful deliberation, we would like to request the story of all parties involved.

Firstly, Frank_Nouraei | @frankf,
Please explain the circumstance in which you can be seen disconnecting from the server while being situated inside the LSD Lab. In addition to being tagged on the forums, they will be notified of this report in-game.

Secondly, Mahsa_Parsa, 
Please explain the circumstance in which you supposedly disconnect mid way through a robbery with the reporting party. They will be notified of this report in-game.

The aforementioned parties above will have 24 hours to respond or face the report being concluded with the evidence that has been provided.

Finally, if the following players: Tyler_Pong (91), Lucy_Mcmahon (22), and Lucas_Kwang (109) have any substantial evidence pertaining to this report that may change the outcome of it, please submit it in this report thread.
Thank you!

Kind regards,
Emulsify & Dqniel.

[mahsa_parsa]

Hello and greeting,That night I was punished by the managers for doing what I did not do.
And I'm still upset about it,
And now my question is:What have I done wrong here?
I don't have a video to defend myself but if they sent the full video,You will notice that we had about a 20 minute The chase,
We went to the beach 10 minutes before the battle with my friend ,We talked together in voices And we planned
That I was lurking near my friend's house And my friend bring them in and get involved and I was waiting for them to come.

i hope you do justice.

Edited October 29, 2019 by mahsa_parsa

[Z0thian]

Hello!

I'm Lucy_McMahon or ID 22 at this specific scenario, I remember getting a call from Chi - ID 103 over the radio, saying they needed back-up at LSD. 

We arrived on the scene, myself and Lucas_Kwang, ID 109, and began to search for the people. We were told that there was two people over the radio, and one was at gun point. We began to search for the second but couldn't find them. It was only when we noticed that one of them had "timed-out" we waited with them for a while to see if they'd return, but they didn't, so myself and Lucas left, I did only see one person logging, as when they next requested back up, myself and Lucas were preoccupied in a police chase. 

Unfortunately, I do not have footage of this event, however, hope I provided what little help I could. 

[Lucas London]

Hello 

Im Lucas kwang or ID 109 the comment above pretty much covered mine and her side off what happened and what we saw, unfortunately I do not have footage off this event that toke place.

[krooks365]

9 hours ago, mahsa_parsa said:

Hello and greeting,That night I was punished by the managers for doing what I did not do.
And I'm still upset about it,
And now my question is:What have I done wrong here?
I don't have a video to defend myself but if they sent the full video,You will notice that we had about a 20 minute The chase,
We went to the beach 10 minutes before the battle with my friend ,We talked together in voices And we planned
That I was lurking near my friend's house And my friend bring them in and get involved and I was waiting for them to come.

i hope you do justice.

Hi Mahsa -

I attempted to pm everyone involved to discuss this off of forums but everyone had already logged off. My intent in this report is to make sure that you guy's understood the rule regarding logging in and out in the manner that you guys did. It is not my intent for you to be punished for something you did not do. Therefore I am responding so you can understand exactly why I posted this and what (in my opinion) was done incorrectly.

I want to be clear that I have no problem with the ambush and that you guys won the exchange - it was a really fun rp scenario and really well thought out with your friend baiting us to follow him through out the city.  

The only thing that I had a problem with was how you and your friend unfairly utilized your ability to log in and out of the game to gain an unfair advantage. This unfair advantage ruined the overall experience for myself and those who interacted in the same scenario.

First for your friend - Just when we had backup ready to rob your friend at LSD he logged off. The rules state that he should not log off in the middle of an active scenario like that. If he had crashed or timed out he should have said something on the discord or PMD myself or anyone else involved when he had returned so we could resume roleplay. When we robbed him we would have taken his gun (the same gun that was used to kill me not 30 minutes later in the ambush) Therefore he would not have been able to kill me in that ambush without purchasing a new weapon as we would have taken it. He also was able to retain his radio, gps, anything else he had on him and was able to utilize those items to communicate with you guys when he logged back in. This is how him logging out in the way that he did gave him an unfair advantage.

Likewise for you Mahsa, we had you under fear rp and were robbing you when you logged out of the game. Again the rules state that you should not log off in the middle of an active scenario like that. If you had crashed or timed out you should have said something on the discord or PMD myself or anyone else involved when you returned so that we could resume roleplay. Likewise we would have taken your weapon, radio, etc as well which you were able to utilize to communicate with your friends and eventually use to kill us. This is how you logging out in the way that you did gave you an unfair advantage.

All I want to come from this is for there to be understanding on your guy's end that you should not log in and out during active scenarios such as robberies, shootouts, arrests, etc. In my personal opinion it ruins the rp experience of those who attempt to interact and roleplay with you.

Edited October 29, 2019 by krooks365

[mahsa_parsa]

I'm so glad that the person I was involved with seems like a good guy,What you are saying is true, but I did not commit any wrongdoing.

I didn't leave the game,And if my friend makes a mistake,its not my problem.

I'm always trying to play the role of the best quality.

 

[RvGhost]

ID 91 Tyler Pong.

Basically after she rammed something nearby which caused her to stall I ran up to her and began robbing her because of the sketchy timing of her passing by. After I robbed her weapon and frisked her she "timed out" before I could give her demands. We waited a little bit to see if she'd return and when she didn't we continued looking for the original guys. Turns out at a later confrontation she had logged back in and participated in a ambush with the previous people we were chasing

I don't have any evidence of the the situation due to issues with recording software

Edited October 30, 2019 by RvGhost

[Emulsify]

ID 98 - @mahsa_parsa - Why did you disconnect in the middle of RP? Did you make any attempt to contact the individuals above? Why did you then proceed to return later only to engage in a gun fight with the reporting party?

 

[mahsa_parsa]

I don't have a video to defend myself about this
But if you've been careful After they search on me and I dropped my gun, the game was cut off after that
And if managers can check my login, they'll know I'm back 3 minutes later.

[Dqniel]

Hello, and thank you to everyone who responded with their side of the story and explained the reasoning for their actions which can be seen in the provided evidence above. We would also like to take this opportunity to give our sincerest apologies for the delay and thank all parties involved for remaining patient while this report has been carefully reviewed. After extensively reviewing the provided evidence as well as taking the statements of all parties involved into consideration, we have decided to conclude this report.

Player Mahsa_Parsa will receive a Non-Roleplay punishment for Combat Logging | Offense #1.

Player Frank_Nouraei will receive no punishment(s).

First and foremost, we would like to address the punishment of player Mahsa_Parsa and the reasoning behind it. In the provided evidence of this report, it can be seen that as you are surrounded by multiple players and is in the process of being robbed, you ultimately disconnect from the server. This goes without saying as the rulebreak is incredibly blatant, but the issue that arises with this situation is that after extensively reviewing the provided evidence and taking the above statements into consideration, i came to the conclusion that your actions are in violation of our Combat Logging rules. I would personally like to give all players the benefit of the doubt in these types of situations but i find it far too convenient that you happened to disconnect at the very moment of you being surrounded and robbed by multiple players. In saying that, as outlined in the rulebook cases of disconnecting from the server while in an active roleplaying scenario and being unable to reconnect may be excused if valid proof is submitted  and or you return back to the server and notify the involved parties of the crash and as you did neither,  i am led to believe that you disconnecting from the server was done in a malicious and purposeful way rather than it being accidental.

Secondly, i would like to address the lack of punishment for player Frank_Nouraei and the reasoning behind it. In the provided evidence of this report, it can be seen that you disconnect from the server however no context is given to this. There is nothing in the provided evidence that would indicate you being in an active roleplaying scenario with the reporting party in this situation and as such i am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and reject this claim on the basis of insufficient evidence.

Thank you for making this report! @krooks365

Report is accepted and archived.

Kind regards,

Emulsify & Dqniel.