seth Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) Player(s) being reported: ID 158, ID 123, ID 78 Date of interaction reported: 10/20/2019 Unix time stamp from HUD: 1571615139 Your characters name: Thaddeus Grey Other player(s) involved: ID 78, ID 108 Specific rule(s) broken: 14. Deathmatch (DM) Deathmatching is the act of attacking a player or their property without a proper roleplay reason. Examples of valid reasons to attack another player: • If they attempt to arrest or hurt you, an ally, or damage your property. • If they report you to the police for a serious crime. • If they are not in compliance with demands, attempt to escape, or call other players for help in a situation where they are required to display fear under fear roleplay rules. A player cannot kill their victim if the victim is in compliance with the demands. A player must allow their victim enough time to comply with the demands. If a player informs you that your VOIP isn’t working, you must either fix your VOIP using appropriate commands or use text to deliver your demand(s). Vehicles cannot be used to attack another player more than once including a failed attempt. Attacking another player with no engagement in roleplay is not allowed. Killing a player that has obeyed all orders and demands during a roleplay situation is allowed, with roleplay, only within 3 hours of: Severe hostile or criminal action is taken against you, e.g. someone is robbing you at gunpoint. (Excluding police aiming a gun at you.) Someone is attempting to take your life. Someone is attempting to take the life of your close friend or ally, or if you have witnessed it happen. You must explain your reason to kill to the player IC and have OOC evidence proving your reason. How did the player break the rule(s)? Upon my first interaction with this group of individuals I witnessed them robbing a downed friend of mine. As you can see in the video, I kept my distance and waited for the reported party to leave the scene. As they left, ID 123 used /shout and attempted to yell demands my way. In the video we are going 117 km/h minimum as his first demands are shouted. Fortunately for me the player did not take immediate action but did so later which leads to the first part of the report. He seemed to believe that the demands were in fact valid, even after the fact that I /PM'd him and stated they were not. The second act of DM was after the continuation of the pursuit where we stopped at Stab City. The three individuals got out of their vehicle and immediately opened fire on me. No attempt at saying a word or demand towards me was made, resulting in a gunfight. I certainly exaggerated the km/h in the screenshots but it is weird that he felt the need to reply with "go report :)". It is quite unfortunate that both scenarios played out the way they did, but I certainly hope I can understand their reasoning via this report. Edit- As for the ram in stab city, in my POV it looks like the sentinel rams the V12, but the POV of the driver shows different, as seen here. Evidence of rule breach: Input evidence linked or embedded here. DM #1 DM #2 Edited October 21, 2019 by seth Adding evidence for the ram in case it is brought up. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
React16 Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 Id 123 Here. How do you even track this as DM. You stated we looted your downed friend, you started to chase, we gave commands which are valid i dont know from where did you pullout that there are not, were getting chased and cant do nothing when we have weapons to our neck? Give me a link to a rule where shouted commands are not valid even though you can see them. Demands are not actually required as you were chasing and was warned about getting shot. Also your buddy instantly ran me over full speed with a car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seth Posted October 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, React16 said: Id 123 Here. How do you even track this as DM. You stated we looted your downed friend, you started to chase, we gave commands which are valid i dont know from where did you pullout that there are not, were getting chased and cant do nothing when we have weapons to our neck? Give me a link to a rule where shouted commands are not valid even though you can see them. Demands are not actually required as you were chasing and was warned about getting shot. You think it’s entirely realistic to hear a shout without knowing if someone’s windows are up/down, from well over five car distances away, and whilst driving? The fact of the matter isn’t that I saw the shout. I see people’s IDs over their heads all day and I don’t use that to my advantage, why would I use something I see in chat any differently? As for your point about that demands were not actually required, the only attempt any of you made was the unrealistic shout. That was the ONLY thing said from any of you before bullets were fired both times. I would love to link you an exact rule stating what you did isn't great, but there is no definitive NRP rule stating you did something wrong. This would just be considered poor roleplay, falling under NRP if anything. 8. Non-Roleplay (NRP) Actions that are unrealistic or promote poor quality roleplay are considered as non-roleplay. 6 hours ago, React16 said: Also your buddy instantly ran me over full speed with a car. If for this you're referring to this (starts at 0:18 when your body flies), this is actually entirely okay. The VDM rule states the following, "you cannot hit a victim twice or circle back around in a car while being directly shot" (extra evidence in the following screenshot). Unless you have any evidence of him hitting you twice or circling back whilst being shot, I do not see the issue or why this was even brought up. EDIT- Upon reviewing the videos once again, I realized that not any of you three happen to use VOIP during this entire process. I would LOVE to see any proof on your end and conclude my speculations of potential meta, thanks! Edited October 21, 2019 by seth Edited for a speculation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
React16 Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 You do realize theres no other way to give demands that you would see, first of all it is a game, or did you forget? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBC Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 6 hours ago, React16 said: You do realize theres no other way to give demands that you would see, first of all it is a game, or did you forget? This is a stupid statement, sorry if I am sticking my nose into stuff I shouldn't but "this is a game, or did you forget?" Did you forget that this is supposed to be realistic, you do realise that when you are going at ~120km/h you wouldn't hear someone shout shit at you from 30 metres away, like the wind blowing from going so fast and also just in general that distance with rolled up windows in a car is crazy if you can hear someone that way.. The way you could've given him commands is to follow him until he crashes or is out of fuel, whatever. So you can talk to him without Superman vocal chords. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexalex303 Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 Hello and thank you for making the report @seth! I apologize for the delay in the processing of the report. It is now being reviewed. Sincerely, alexalex303 and Xposed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexalex303 Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 Player ID 123 - Vasily_Akulov - @React16 - why did you fire on the reporter in the second clip, immediately after exiting your vehicle? Please respond to the above within 24 hours so that we may concluded the report. Sincerely, alexalex303 and Xposed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
React16 Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 Because we were getting chased for a reasonable amount of time by 2 to 6 same color vehicles in my mind the shots i took were justified and in my POV i saw him with AK in hand so thats why i fired at him. I do apologise if that was wrong of me to do. And we did warn him earlier any further chasing of us will result in us shooting them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XposeD Posted November 3, 2019 Report Share Posted November 3, 2019 Hello again I will conclude this report after discussing it with other staff members. Player ID 123 - Vasily_Akulov will receive DM #6 for his actions during this situation. Demands made out of moving vehicles can generally be ignored as realistically they would not be heard, however, the reporter did acknowledge them and communicate them over the radio. The issue is that you may not fire on someone that is not in compliance with your demands, unless he is under FearRP, which he is not while in a vehicle with the engine on. Therefore, the reported party did in fact break the deathmatching rules when firing from the car in clip #1. The reason only one person got Deathmatch is because we believe these shots kick started the whole thing, and the crash in clip #2 could have started that shootout even if it was an accident. Kind Regards @alexalex303 and XposeD 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
