Rekamon Posted October 20, 2019 Report Share Posted October 20, 2019 (edited) Player(s) being reported: ID 198, ID 89, ID 200 Date of interaction reported: 10/19/19 Unix time stamp from HUD: 102|1571529231 Your characters name: Tyler Rogers Other player(s) involved: Zion Willard (ID 207) Specific rule(s) broken: 13. Fear Roleplay (FRP) Fear roleplay is the concept of roleplaying fear for your character’s safety and life. Examples (but not limited to), where your character’s life is considered to be in direct danger: • When you are on foot or bike and a weapon is aimed at you at close range. • When you’re in a vehicle that is stalled or turned off and a weapon is aimed at you close range. • When the attacker lowers their weapon to type or roleplay, your life remains in direct danger. • Driving a vehicle in an active shootout more than once without the intent of protecting a friend, fleeing with it, or using it as cover. Examples (but not limited to), where your character’s life is NOT considered to be in direct danger: • When you are in a car which engine is not stalled. • When you have a firearm drawn and are facing the other person before they attacked. • When the attacker’s view is obstructed by an object or when they turn their back on you. As a victim, whose life is in direct danger: • You cannot call 911 or call your friends or allies to aid you. • You must display reasonable value for your life and comply with the demands of your attacker. How did the player break the rule(s)? The players as shown in the evidence above didn't show value for their life as weapons and in some of the cases heavy weapons were pointed at them directing them on what to do and they completely ignored. I tried pm'ing them about the situation however they claimed it was a not rule breach. After posting this ID 200 fear rp'ed again hence the third clip. I really just want to see their explanation for their actions as why they ruin RP for personal benefit. (3RD CLIP) He was having a conversation at that speed with someone else so he saw the gun heard it and ignored the demands given. Evidence of rule breach: https://streamable.com/rn16s (ID 198 Fear RPing x2) https://streamable.com/0llzq (ID 89 Fear RP and ID 200) https://streamable.com/sjdp9 (ID 200 Fear RP? (Questionable) Edited October 22, 2019 by Rekamon Explaining something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padpilot Posted October 20, 2019 Report Share Posted October 20, 2019 (edited) im worried you dont know what fear rp is, especially with your last video update. "Ruin RP for personal benefit" - what benifit? "off the bike, off the bike" is not a valid command mate. You need to make your victims fully aware of the situation. Many times ive been robbed with no fear rp reports, yet you think i did several in one instance. right yeah ok lol also, just note my speed, very silly boys. " He was having a conversation at that speed with someone else so he saw the gun heard it and ignored the demands given." - true, i was having a converstaion, and yes i did hear someone shouting"off your bike, off your bike" - didnt see a gun though, and you expect me to turn my head to view your gun, nah bro, im driving a drag bike, all i hear whilst driving around 80km/h an hour was off the bike, at that ppoint, i showed fear for my life and attempted to flee. I think you understand fear rp to mean that people should just give up and follow all commands (if they are given in an appropriate way ) , well that is simpley not fear rp, fear rp is showing fear for your life, not give up and do nothing, people can sow fear for their life, this is proven when they flee, like i did on the bike, at those speeds, me pulling over, would actually be fail rp Sorry mate That being said, i am also very interested to see the outcome of this, especially the clip where i was driving 80km/h when demands were given. You are suggesteing that at any speed a bike is vulnerable then. So i can just roll up to a bike at 80km/h+ - simply say "off the bike, off the bike" - and that is the limit of rp needed to engage, on top of that, you then suggest further that if that bike should not immediatly stop, then it is fear RP. interesteing. i will try this tomorrow on someone and see how the level of RP is. Edited October 20, 2019 by padpilot 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holysan Posted October 20, 2019 Report Share Posted October 20, 2019 In video 1 and 2 the bikes are in movement stopping the vehicle would cause more danger that actually going forwards. I dont understand what you want the person to do in that situation (Press f and just flop to the ground?) Rp is ruined when people jump off from 2nd story vantage points and smashing out windows from expensive vehicles Not when people are actually trying to rp and not just jumping off of bikes like crazy men. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padpilot Posted October 20, 2019 Report Share Posted October 20, 2019 (edited) 31 minutes ago, padpilot said: im worried you dont know what fear rp is, especially with your last video update. "Ruin RP for personal benefit" - what benifit? "off the bike, off the bike" is not a valid command mate. You need to make your victims fully aware of the situation. Many times ive been robbed with no fear rp reports, yet you think i did several in one instance. right yeah ok lol also, just note my speed, very silly boys. " He was having a conversation at that speed with someone else so he saw the gun heard it and ignored the demands given." - true, i was having a converstaion, and yes i did hear someone shouting"off your bike, off your bike" - didnt see a gun though, yet you state that i did see the gun, this is in fact, your opinion, also, you expect me to turn my head to view your gun, at those speeds, nah bro, im driving a drag bike, all i hear whilst driving around 80km/h an hour was off the bike, at that point, i showed fear for my life and attempted to flee. I think you understand fear rp to mean that people should just give up and follow all commands (if they are given in an appropriate way ) , well that is simply not fear rp, fear rp is showing fear for your life, fear rp is not - give up and do nothing, people can show fear for their life in many many diferent ways, some hide, some run, some surrender immedialtly, at those speeds, me pulling over, would actually be fail rp. Sorry mate That being said, i am also very interested to see the outcome of this, especially the clip where i was driving 80km/h when demands were given. You are suggesteing that at any speed a bike is vulnerable then. So i can just roll up to a bike at 80km/h+ - simply say "off the bike, off the bike" - and that is the limit of rp needed to engage, on top of that, you then suggest further that if that bike should not immediatly stop, then it is fear RP. interesteing. i will try this tomorrow on someone and see how the level of RP is. Oops. Dunno why this posted. Edited October 20, 2019 by padpilot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekamon Posted October 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2019 Ok just to clear this up, Holysan which ID are you in the videos shown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padpilot Posted October 20, 2019 Report Share Posted October 20, 2019 I don't get why you think I'd 200 (me) broke fear RP in video 2? And especially video 3? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekamon Posted October 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2019 Video 2 You had a firearm pointed at you and then you continued to cruise around not even speeding away which shows how you have no fear for your life. Video 3 like the rules state a gun was pointed at you at close range and you were having a conversation prior meaning you understood our words. Both of these times demonstrate how you don't value your life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padpilot Posted October 20, 2019 Report Share Posted October 20, 2019 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Rekamon said: Video 2 You had a firearm pointed at you and then you continued to cruise around not even speeding away which shows how you have no fear for your life. Video 3 like the rules state a gun was pointed at you at close range and you were having a conversation prior meaning you understood our words. Both of these times demonstrate how you don't value your life. But wait, I spend off in video 3, and you also said that was fear RP? Again mate, I genuinely think you don't understand the concept. It might be me but honestly would you pull over on a drag bike whilst going minimum of 40km/h ? I think you ought to take more things into account than just the actions that you are doing. You seem to have a win win mentality. Why would you think I would ever notice any of the weapons in any of these clips at any of those speeds? Also, what about first person view? Am I expected to see the weapons in the same way as others? Also, let it be noted, 2 of your guys said it was always good to RP with me, then someone in PM's even said " maybe we will have you in the rooks one day", GWX something the player was, like what? I thought I just broke rules? Crazy. Edited October 20, 2019 by padpilot 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekamon Posted October 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2019 (edited) I mean I'm not saying your RP as a whole is bad lol. I'm saying in this instance I feel you broke rules, nothing more to it. Keep in mind the 1st and 2nd video in my opinion are obvious rule breaches. I can see how you can argue the 3rd video as it's debatable and can be taken either way. Edited October 20, 2019 by Rekamon Explaining something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kolt45Chambers Posted October 20, 2019 Report Share Posted October 20, 2019 ID 98 Here. So in the second video, theres quite a few of us in one group. You screaming off the bike in a group of people is hard for anyone to tell who you are screaming at. If you were to give more clear demands then it would be a different story. Also, when your cruising at 70kmp/h + how is that realistic for anyone to actually hear you, if we were sat alone on bikes when we were still then yeah it wouldve be fair game, but you screaming "Off the bike, Off the bike" in a group of people in the dark, its hard to see who you're actually pointing at. - Kolt Chambers 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekamon Posted October 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2019 You were the closest person to me you obviously knew who I was aiming the gun at. You then ran after having demands shouted to you at little to no movement on your bike. Frankly I'm done responding to this the footage speaks for itself, waiting for admin response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kolt45Chambers Posted October 20, 2019 Report Share Posted October 20, 2019 Just now, Rekamon said: You were the closest person to me you obviously knew who I was aiming the gun at. You then ran after having demands shouted to you at little to no movement on your bike. Frankly I'm done responding to this the footage speaks for itself, waiting for admin response. When your rolling up next to 3-4 people in a black truck in the dark its seriously hard to tell, from the video you can tell you were pointing at me but rolling up to 3-4 of us, is where you need to be more clear of who you want off of the bike. Why does it matter if i was the closest person to you? My buddy was the one you were after so i genuinely thought you were talking to him. But on a serious note, how do you expect us to see a gun in the dark, pointed at us by men in all black in a black vehicle? We had a good chase after though - Kolt Chambers 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zion Willard Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 ID 207 here in attached clips. @padpilot based upon your explanation, it seems you are unaware of what FRP is. • You must display reasonable value for your life and comply with the demands of your attacker. This means that if you are under FRP, you must comply with demands. Each and every one of you were at a dead stop in the second clip, and all drove away with a weapon aimed at you, at close range. When confronted in /b, you stated “I’m on a motorcycle, why would I not run. It’s not a bike.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kolt45Chambers Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 23 minutes ago, Zion Willard said: ID 207 here in attached clips. @padpilot based upon your explanation, it seems you are unaware of what FRP is. • You must display reasonable value for your life and comply with the demands of your attacker. This means that if you are under FRP, you must comply with demands. Each and every one of you were at a dead stop in the second clip, and all drove away with a weapon aimed at you, at close range. When confronted in /b, you stated “I’m on a motorcycle, why would I not run. It’s not a bike.” In the second clip, all you say is “Off the bike, Off the bike”. There are four people. Like i said, you need to make it a lot more clear who you are talking to. For example,” You, on the Green bike, i have a gun at you” or “all of you get off your bikes i have a gun at all of you”. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padpilot Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Kolt45Chambers said: In the second clip, all you say is “Off the bike, Off the bike”. There are four people. Like i said, you need to make it a lot more clear who you are talking to. For example,” You, on the Green bike, i have a gun at you” or “all of you get off your bikes i have a gun at all of you”. literally this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padpilot Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Zion Willard said: ID 207 here in attached clips. @padpilot based upon your explanation, it seems you are unaware of what FRP is. • You must display reasonable value for your life and comply with the demands of your attacker. This means that if you are under FRP, you must comply with demands. Each and every one of you were at a dead stop in the second clip, and all drove away with a weapon aimed at you, at close range. When confronted in /b, you stated “I’m on a motorcycle, why would I not run. It’s not a bike.” yes, agreed, like stated, with clear and precise demands you might have put us under fear RP, but without them there is no fearRP here. Clear and precise demands, this is so victims know what "state" of RP they are in. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zion Willard Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) Each of you knew exactly what was happening and were informed we would be reporting you. Post your video evidence showing you had no clue a gun was pointed at you. Edit: ID 89 even drove up the road, got off his bike and started firing at us. Edited October 22, 2019 by Zion Willard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kolt45Chambers Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Zion Willard said: Each of you knew exactly what was happening and were informed we would be reporting you. Post your video evidence showing you had no clue a gun was pointed at you. I have no video evidence because your actions were unclear and i wasnt warned at all i was being reported. You aimed the second video toward me but now its both of us? All you said was “Fear RP” in /b In your video all you say is “Off the bike, Off the bike” what else more is there to say? You keep pushing the fact that we knew exactly what was going on. @padpilot cruised past and never stopped because how is he supposed know who you are talking to when hes already mid driving past. I however was sat still with 2 other people. While i’m listening to them speak, all i see is you come around the corner and scream, your intentions were never clear toward me or to Pads. For all we know, you could’ve been talking to the other guys. When i hear “Off the bike” in a group of 4 people, my automatic instinct is to drive as you were very vague. Edited October 21, 2019 by Kolt45Chambers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexalex303 Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 This back and forth is not useful. Do not post again unless you are providing new evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexalex303 Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 Report is currently being reviewed. Please be patient while a decision is rendered. Sincerely, alexalex303 and Brawnkoh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padpilot Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 7 hours ago, Zion Willard said: Each of you knew exactly what was happening and were informed we would be reporting you. Post your video evidence showing you had no clue a gun was pointed at you. Edit: ID 98 even drove up the road, got off his bike and started firing at us. Question, if i have no evidence, does that make me automatically guilty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zion Willard Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 In the second video, ID 89 and 200 both had the weapon on them with clear demands on stationary bikes at 0:03 and proceeded to acknowledge the fact that weapons were pointed at 0:13. In addition, approximately 30 seconds after - this occurred https://streamable.com/rs28g. Seems like you guys are just not about RP, and aren't willing to acknowledge or learn from your mistakes where rules are concerned. This is the only reason this has led to a report, and you continue to deny your actions instead of resolving this off of the forums. I will refrain from commenting any further until asked to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padpilot Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Zion Willard said: In the second video, ID 89 and 200 both had the weapon on them with clear demands on stationary bikes at 0:03 and proceeded to acknowledge the fact that weapons were pointed at 0:13. In addition, approximately 30 seconds after - this occurred https://streamable.com/rs28g. Seems like you guys are just not about RP, and aren't willing to acknowledge or learn from your mistakes where rules are concerned. This is the only reason this has led to a report, and you continue to deny your actions instead of resolving this off of the forums. I will refrain from commenting any further until asked to It's an accusation, of course we continue to deny this, we are still very much innocent at this point and I would like to remind you that we are only guilty when proven so, not from a mere accusation. You act as if you know the outcome already. We have explained that due to the lack of basic explanation and roleplay we did not consider ourselves to be in a fearing state. This really is an opportunity to help lift the RP we currently see. Admin will determine the outcome of this report, but it will also determine RP on the server going forward for all involved. It is clear that we do not accept "off the bike off the bike" as adequate engagement, roleplay or decency in letting other players know ( accurately) the current roleplay state. We ask only that you give better demands to ensure this is avoided in the future, for us for you and for the server overall. "Hands up hands up" - stationary often, on foot, usually surround, this has already somehow become the level of acceptable Roleplay, "off the bike, off the bike" in the dark, literally unable to see anything black inside the car is not the same setting at all and ought to be roleplayed as such. "Now listen, you on the bike in front, I have a gun aimed at you, if you move I'll blow your fucking brains out". The most important thing to note, is that a consequence has been issued, not a demand, but a clear indication of who is being spoken to, and the consequences should they decide to not listen. Also, I doubt your intention to help this be a genuine act to learn. I've never once filled a player report, I always sort it through discord, did you contact me? I was middle roleplay with you guys when you uploaded the report from an incident only just gone. You informed me during RP, where I was displaying fear on my knees that you had already just reported me. To be honest, as players, it was all around bad form on your part. As a group that wants to be official, clear basic demands and a respect for other players outside of your own collective is a must. This is forgetting the fact that you are only going for me as my alt robbed one of your guys. Just didn't expect it to quite lead to this ooc forum stuff, which I said I would always try to avoid. Anyways. As you say, leave it to the admin, next time, hmu on discord padpilot#5278 Edited October 22, 2019 by padpilot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padpilot Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 44 minutes ago, Zion Willard said: In the second video, ID 89 and 200 both had the weapon on them with clear demands on stationary bikes at 0:03 and proceeded to acknowledge the fact that weapons were pointed at 0:13. In addition, approximately 30 seconds after - this occurred https://streamable.com/rs28g. Seems like you guys are just not about RP, and aren't willing to acknowledge or learn from your mistakes where rules are concerned. This is the only reason this has led to a report, and you continue to deny your actions instead of resolving this off of the forums. I will refrain from commenting any further until asked to. Sorry. Just actually re read you comment. The clip you posted in you comment, tbf mate, that guy got away, 1. his feet are sliding on the floor, no idea telling where they actually are 2. he made it just in time. If you would have been a second faster you would have got em. And considering you thought his actions were a rule break, you then call him a retard why? Seriously though, you are clutching at straws to then laugh as if that was fail RP, the guy made it away, tbf the slow animation to stop running could have still put them down there. Also, you said ID 200 was stationary in the second video at 00:03 , yeah in a screenshot maybe, dude I'm literally driving past you on a red and black drag bike at what point am I stationary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawnkoh Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 PLAYER REPORT ACCEPTED Thank you for your patience while this report was under review. After reviewing this report and evidence attached to it, I've decided to accept this report and issue the punishments to the following players: [Yun_Rose [ID #198]] - [FearRP] - [NonRP #4 & #5] I apologize for the time it took to resolve this, it slipped through the cracks and I didn't realize this one was pending since the thread wasn't tagged with an FR. After speaking with Alex, we have come to the below decision. @Holysan In the video included, I believe you broke fear RP in both circumstances. You had a heavy weapon pointed at you at close range, you had no weapon out (due to driving), your bike provides no protection, and you were at close to a complete stop. No punishments will be handed out for the other parties involved. The third video is cut and dry no Fear RP in my opinion, the second video is borderline. There are 3 people on bikes, I don't see how you could be holding a gun at all 3 of them at the same time. The second set of demands are given moving. In the cases where something is borderline I err in the side of caution and give someone the benefit of doubt. If you have received a punishment that you disagree with, feel free to file a punishment appeal following the punishment appeal guidelines and format. If the reporting party suffered a loss greater than $25,000 in value, feel free to file a refund request following the refund request guidelines and format. Regards, Brawnkoh & @alexalex303 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
