VDM,Non RP, Christopher Durnwell

[Sufyaan]

Player(s) being reported: Christopher Durnwell, ID 219
Date of interaction reported: 19/10/2019
Unix time stamp from HUD: 1571521595

Your characters name: Sufyaan_Khan
Other player(s) involved: 268, 157, 88, 236, 189 

Specific rule(s) broken:

 

14. Deathmatch (DM)

• Deathmatching is the act of attacking a player or their property without a proper roleplay reason.

• Examples of valid reasons to attack another player:

• If they attempt to arrest or hurt you, an ally, or damage your property.

• If they report you to the police for a serious crime.

• If they are not in compliance with demands, attempt to escape, or call other players for help in a situation where they are required to display fear under fear roleplay rules.

• A player cannot kill their victim if the victim is in compliance with the demands.

• A player must allow their victim enough time to comply with the demands.

• If a player informs you that your VOIP isn’t working, you must either fix your VOIP using appropriate commands or use text to deliver your demand(s).

• Vehicles cannot be used to attack another player more than once including a failed attempt.

• Attacking another player with no engagement in roleplay is not allowed.

• Killing a player that has obeyed all orders and demands during a roleplay situation is allowed, with roleplay, only within 3 hours of:

  1.  Severe hostile or criminal action is taken against you, e.g. someone is robbing you at gunpoint. (Excluding police aiming a gun at you.)

  2.   Someone is attempting to take your life.

  3.   Someone is attempting to take the life of your close friend or ally, or if you have witnessed it happen.

• You must explain your reason to kill to the player IC and have OOC evidence proving your reason.

8. Non-Roleplay (NRP)

• Actions that are unrealistic or promote poor quality roleplay are considered as non-roleplay.

• Examples of actions that are considered as non-roleplay:

• • Swimming in water for an unrealistic amount of time or without a destination during a chase.

• Players who disconnect during roleplay must reconnect and inform other parties in order to resume roleplay. If you are unable to reconnect it may be excused after providing proof.

• In a situation where a player gets away from an incident where they're being chased/pursued, they must wait 15 minutes before they can logout. Players should not instigate roleplay situations if they do not have time to play it through. 

• Players who ignore answering roleplay commands directed at them, e.g. /do.

• In a situation where a player’s game crashes or the player is kicked from the server, they should be allowed to have the same advantages as they have had before their leave.

• • Cop Baiting - Provoking a reaction from emergency services without a realistic reason.

  • Mercy Killing - Asking to be killed by a friend (Killing a friend falls under deathmatching).

  • Unrealistic stunt jumping or the use of an expensive vehicle to ram into other vehicles.

  • Spawning a scripted work vehicle and using it for crimes or submerging any vehicle in water.

How did the player break the rule(s)? Christopher Durnwell, ID 219, hit me off my bike with no engagement in RP whatsoever and without witnessing me showing  severe hostility or criminal action taken against him, e.g. someone is robbing you at gunpoint  or me attempting to arrest or hurt him, an ally, or damage his property. I did not insert myself into RP as i was on the hill sitting on my bike and doing absolutely nothing and at no point engaged in RP with ID 219.

He also rammed me with an expensive sports vehicle which is non RP according to the rules

Evidence of rule breach: https://streamable.com/h2r02

 

Edited October 20, 2019 by Sufyaan

[RvGhost]

ID 88 here. I had no interaction with the "VDM" but everyone else clearly witnessed you attempting to flea with someone who was directly involved with robbing our ally as per your own video\

EDIT: Also didn't you break FearRP at the start of the video

Edited October 19, 2019 by RvGhost

[krooks365]

ID 189 here.

I was the passenger in the elegy. We witnessed you aiding and abetting your friend there in kidnapping and robbing an ally of ours. You state that you were not involved in the RP scenario at all yet you are there while your friend is robbing our ally, you allow your friend to hop on your bike, and attempt to escape the scene with sed friend on your bike. The driver of the elegy attempts to follow you in this escape. You then drive directly back into an active shooting scene with us in pursuit. Seeing what all we have witnessed and the fact that our our ally is now dead on the ground and an active shooting scene is going on directly where you have stopped your bike (less than 5 feet away) I find your statement that you were "not at all involved" in the RP doubtful.

 

I'd also like to point out the multiple people pointing guns and giving demands to you as you attempt to accelerate out of the scene. 

Edited October 19, 2019 by krooks365

[Sufyaan]

3 hours ago, RvGhost said:

ID 88 here. I had no interaction with the "VDM" but everyone else clearly witnessed you attempting to flea with someone who was directly involved with robbing our ally as per your own video\

EDIT: Also didn't you break FearRP at the start of the video

I attempted to flee with someone who was kicked off the bike due to auto-lock, it would've been a successful escape from that scene if this didn't occur.  I did not break fear RP as I was 80+ and accelerating when you gave demands and pointed your weapons.

3 hours ago, krooks365 said:

ID 189 here.

I was the passenger in the elegy. We witnessed you aiding and abetting your friend there in kidnapping and robbing an ally of ours. You state that you were not involved in the RP scenario at all yet you are there while your friend is robbing our ally, you allow your friend to hop on your bike, and attempt to escape the scene with sed friend on your bike. The driver of the elegy attempts to follow you in this escape. You then drive directly back into an active shooting scene with us in pursuit. Seeing what all we have witnessed and the fact that our our ally is now dead on the ground and an active shooting scene is going on directly where you have stopped your bike (less than 5 feet away) I find your statement that you were "not at all involved" in the RP doubtful.

 

I'd also like to point out the multiple people pointing guns and giving demands to you as you attempt to accelerate out of the scene. 

• Examples of valid reasons to attack another player:

• If they attempt to arrest or hurt you, an ally, or damage your property.

• If they report you to the police for a serious crime.

• If they are not in compliance with demands, attempt to escape, or call other players for help in a situation where they are required to display fear under fear roleplay rules.

I was driving along with him but gave you no reason above to shoot at me. I then drive back to scene where ID 219 rams me off my bike at a very high speed with a expensive sports car and injured me, I stopped for just a few seconds, he never engaged in roleplay with me. Also, he had no valid reason to VDM me. Where did i state "not at all involved"? For the fear RP: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/508462343013793805/635275845266571264/unknown.png. You gave demands and pointed weapons when I was driving a bike at 80km+. 

Edited October 20, 2019 by Sufyaan

[krooks365]

You will see in this screenshot that you were not traveling 80kmh+ when a gun and demands were given. 

[Sufyaan]

28 minutes ago, krooks365 said:

you will see in this screenshot that you were not traveling 80kmh+ when a gun and demands were given. 

No demands were given by ID 268, you can see this in the video and he only pointed his weapon.

[RvGhost]

15 minutes ago, Sufyaan said:

No demands were given by ID 268, you can see this in the video and he only pointed his weapon.

It was entirely clear what his intentions were based on the fact that you just were trying to rob him. You can say that maybe it's not a technical break of FearRP but looks to be lowrp at least from the videos point of view.

 

"I did not insert myself into RP as i was on the hill sitting on my bike and doing absolutely nothing and at no point engaged in RP with ID 219." 

Except you did by attempting to flea with a passenger and got shot at by one of our allies. You were engaged in the RP with lead to a shootout

Edited October 20, 2019 by RvGhost

[krooks365]

This will be my last reply I will be making in regards to this report, as I will leave it up to the staff to decide. But you will also see in this screenshot that at the time the second person points guns on you AND speak demands telling you to get off your bike you are still NOT going 80kmh+.

[Sufyaan]

44 minutes ago, RvGhost said:

It was entirely clear what his intentions were based on the fact that you just were trying to rob him. You can say that maybe it's not a technical break of FearRP but looks to be lowrp at least from the videos point of view.

 

"I did not insert myself into RP as i was on the hill sitting on my bike and doing absolutely nothing and at no point engaged in RP with ID 219." 

Except you did by attempting to flea with a passenger and got shot at by one of our allies. You were engaged in the RP with lead to a shootout

You are correct, it was clear his intentions were to shoot me which I didn't intend to stick around for. And its not low RP either. Low RP is pulling up and raining a barrage of bullets on a man who was simply sitting on his Hakouchou. The only low RP here is simply low RP from your end where you go on and run me off my bike with your SPORTS CAR. We amply roleplayed our actions that needed to be role played as can be seen in the chat. 

Although, I will give you that I helped the robber escape, but the robber glitched off the bike moments later, therefore I consider him being on my bike nullified. If you were too ignorant to notice this, that is not anyone fault but yours. Regardless a rule breach occurred.

43 minutes ago, krooks365 said:

This will be my last reply I will be making in regards to this report, as I will leave it up to the staff to decide. But you will also see in this screenshot that at the time the second person points guns on you AND speak demands telling you to get off your bike you are still NOT going 80kmh+.

Fair enough, this will be my final response as well unless called upon.

As a support staff, I shouldn't have to explain this to you.

If your point is that you're taking apart my response piece by piece and nit-picking my fallacies, it's not making you look any better.

Clearly ID 88 (Tyler) is not pointing at me here in this screenshot. Thus his demands are invalid. As you see I'm flying at 70KM/H and accelerating, which is a reasonable speed to not hear anything. If anything I'm not fearing for my life if I stopped at this point. If you've ever been near a motorcycle, they are highly geared and you don't hear jack shit while accelerating to and beyond at 70KM/h. At this point, if I was to stop where I had ample room to escape, I would be complacent to stop and wait to see what this hostile armed man wants to do with his AK aimed at me.  ID 256 has said nothing. It's still 70km+, if someone is driving speed limit on a road and you point a gun at them are you trying to say that is fear RP?  

Nonetheless, it is apparent that the final say belongs to the staff member handling this report. What my goal is to ensure you understand your actions and are not oblivious to the rule breaches you perpetrated.

[Avemir]

Hello, ID 219 (Christopher Durnwell) here.

First of all, I want to state that, during this whole scene you involved yourself in this RP a lot, starting with me watching you guys kidnapping Dimitri, you guys rolling up to me and trying to kidnap me aswell and finally the last scene, which you are now reporting me for.

Yes, while it is true that you did not point a gun yourself sitting on the bike, you allowed the guy who actually did to hop onto your bike, which I did See the whole time, as to be seen in your own Video, and which ultimately involves you, and makes you a target aswell. 

Now in your recording, you can see for yourself that A - He sat on your bike forthe first seconds of the chase and B - multiple People were firing directly at you guys.  

Now tell me one thing. Have you ever been driving on a bike, and saw your passenger fly off? What does it look like?

Do you actually see the Person fly off? No. You can hear the sound, and see, that your passenger is gone, but instead of an Animation, the person most of the times just poofs off. 

If there is a person driving fastly and closely behind you, even that person wont see a propper Animation of your friend flying off  - especially not at a certain speed. 

So while I didnt notice your friend not being there anymore after a few seconds (Which is not me being ignorant, by the way, its me not knowing that you are spamming the K-Button like crazy), I afterwards thought that he must fallen off, which, if you think about it, isnt too unrealistic of a thought, looking at the fact that you 1 - Accelerated really quick (Which often is enough for a Person to Fall off) and 2 - Had multiple People Shooting at you - Even a close range heavy weapon, which was about the Time when he got tp'd back  - Which i couldnt really tell, cause i was still chasing you and therefor not able to see, that he spawned in further behind again. 

Now, if you made yourself a target, I dont need to re-engage into new RP until I lose eye contact  - Which I did not, as to be seen in the evidence provided by yourself. So it is not my fault, that you think its a smart idea to circle back into the scene, even though being directly shot at, and just stop and watch. 

 

In conclussion:

You have involved yourself in this RP by letting him hop onto your bike. 

Seeing, that you drove off with him a good few meters, I couldnt know that you provoked this bug by spamming 'K'.

I saw you guys, kidnap a close ally, I heard you guys coming to me, stating, that you, if I dont follow you on the Bike, you I will be shot, and last but not least, saw your friend Holding an Ally on gunpoint before hopping onto YOUR bike and and YOU driving off. 

This bug may or may not technically help you say that you never helped your friend out, but as to be seen in your recording, he was on your bike for the first seconds, and disappeared after being shot at, which, in a speedy chase, is hard to see and know if it was him falling off or tp'ing back.

 

My shadowplay was unfinrtunately not working propperly, but my key arguments can be seen in the Video, provided by Sufy.

 

- Peace

 

EDIT: Wouldnt it technically be a break of FearRP do circle back into a gunfight on an unprotected Bike while being directly shot at?

Edited October 22, 2019 by Avemir

[alexalex303]

Hello and thank you for making the report @Sufyaan!

I apologize for the delay in the conclusion of the report. It is currently being reviewed.

Sincerely,

alexalex303 and @XposeD

[XposeD]

Hello and thanks to all for your responses.

After careful deliberation we have come to the following conclusion:

Player ID 81 - Sufyaan_Khan - will receive Fear-RP (NonRP #6) for this situation. The initial driving off when at gunpoint is acceptable because of the overall speed of the bike and of the situation unfolding, however circling around back into the active shootout is not. 

Player ID 189 - Christopher_Durnwell - will receive NonRP #3 for this situation. It is not a DM punishment because we concur that directly helping someone that just held an ally at gunpoint is a valid reason to engage. However, you are not allowed to ram other vehicles with sports cars, and the ram was undeniably intentional, in our opinion.

Kind Regards
@alexalex303 & XposeD

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