JDBooker Posted October 8, 2019 Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 Player(s) being reported: Chanty Lynn Date of interaction reported: Unknown, Sometime between 13-Sept and Now Unix time stamp from HUD: Unknown Your characters name: Jonathan David, also Jonny Ghetts (on my second account) Other player(s) involved: Unknown, but she must have has an accomplice to transfer the properties over. Guage Michaels has suspected involvement, tho i only have circumstantial evidence Specific rule(s) broken: 3. Character Creation and Property Character names must be realistic and resemble real world names. Character names cannot be names of famous people. Players may not scam or deceive other players out of character for their property. Players may not transfer assets to other players or to other characters they own without proper IC reason. Doing so will be treated as Real World Trading (RWT) unless approved by an admin. How did the player break the rule(s)? She logged into two of my accounts and transferred my houses over to her account. also my vehicles have been moved out of the houses into public parking. My vehicles were not stolen, I cannot actually remember what vehicles Ghetts had so do not know if any are missing. I have know knowledge of whether the items within the houses will have been stolen too but she has full control of them now so this will probably be the case. If she has stolen my items, then she was at some time in the possession of an illegal shotgun and will have possibly illegally traded it. In summary, She has broken the Game rules of Real World Trading in order to take my properties without and RP with me. She has broken the Server rules and International Criminal Law by abusing someone else's login information without their consent and stealing electronicaly based items assigned to them. (this requires an instant permanent ban without exception) She has also engaged in illegal activities with an openly and reasonably high ranking (in his own sphere) gang member. this Breaks her employer's Corruption Rules as she is a Paramedic of notable standing. (This means instant dismissal for a medic) All this can be proven by looking through her log files and also possibly those of her new man, Guage Michaels Evidence of rule breach: 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YuSoHelpful Posted October 8, 2019 Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 PLAYER REPORT PENDING RESPONSES Thank you for your patience while this report is under review. After reviewing this report and the evidence attached to it, I have decided that this report cannot be concluded at this time. The following players will be required to provide their side of the story from this situation within the next twenty-four (24) hours: Chanty_Lynn - @chantelements Could you explain what happend to the properties/vehicles owned by Jonathan David / Jonny Ghetts . Gauge_Michaels - @PsychPT Could you explain what happend to the properties/vehicles owned by Jonathan David / Jonny Ghetts . ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Also, I'd like to state that your relationship (status) should be a private matter and I will not be including this in the report. Our Server Rules clearly state the following: 1. Account Ownership and Responsibility All players are responsible for their account, IP address, social club, and hardware. Linked accounts will face the same punishments and cannot be unlinked. The fact she had/has access to your account is your own responsibility. The account is your property, but if you decide to share the password to that account that's your own responsibility. Therefore I will only be looking into the case of the transferring of the properties/vehicles. I'd also like to ask to not bring up any further talk about your relationship as that is something that should be private and does not belong on the forums as it's not Eclipse related. You can try and talk this out privately. If the players above fail to respond to this report within the next twenty-four (24) hours, this report will be concluded based on the evidence that has already been provided, to the best of our ability. Regards, Moderator YuSoHelpful 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBooker Posted October 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 She was not actively told the password to my accounts, she had temporary access to 'Ghetts' for constructing the club in Chumash that we bought together using that account, but she RWT that to her own account a while back. (i didn't realise that was considered RWT back then, and as she was doing the interior design i didn't have a problem with it) However, the fact that i stupidly had the same password on my accounts is besides the point. she attempted to access accounts for which she did NOT have permission. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsychPT Posted October 8, 2019 Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) This is Gauge Michaels and I will address the questions. I am unaware of any of their dealings with houses or vehicles OOC or IC. As to my knowledge she has had possession of only 2 houses since I have known her. He also stated that none of his vehicles are missing so that's a mute point. She did transfer a property to me since i needed a place to store items and was in between houses. Their OOC issues have no affect on me as Chanty and I were only in a IC relationship. Couples exchange property all the time. We were looking at buying some businesses together so her willingness to lend me a house brought up no red flags. She has a well paying job and would not lead me to believe of any foul play. If there is any other questions I need to address feel free to ask. Also I would ask that Chanty be given more time to respond cause if they are OOC involved she might not have access to a computer or internet after his post. Edited October 8, 2019 by PsychPT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSilky Posted October 9, 2019 Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 Post edited to remove personal (and private) information. This information has been saved for the staff members reviewing this report. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBooker Posted October 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 I apologise to Guage for my supposition of his involvement, Chanty has told me this evening that she used Johnny Lockwood to RWT with her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chantelements Posted October 9, 2019 Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 Hi, For one, having him air out our personal life was unnecessary. Thank you for hiding those portions of the post. 1. Account Ownership and Responsibility Account ownership is non-transferable and is the property of the creator. All players are responsible for their account, IP address, social club, and hardware. Linked accounts will face the same punishments and cannot be unlinked. Players must not trade their accounts for money or valuables. He gave me his pw to log him in regularly and told me I could have whatever since he would not be returning. 3. Character Creation and Property Character names must be realistic and resemble real world names. Character names cannot be names of famous people. Players may not scam or deceive other players out of character for their property. Players may not transfer assets to other players or to other characters they own without proper IC reason. Doing so will be treated as Real World Trading (RWT) unless approved by an admin. He had IC reason because he got fed up with some other admin forum post he made so he got on a plane and left the city. As it was blatantly put in his original post. I already spoke privately with an admin about some things as I felt the original post was very personal. I will tell you exactly what I told him: He quit the game and gave me his pw to log in and take whatever as he wasn't returning. I placed the house up on the market for 1$ and bought it with my personal account. I drove his vehicle back to the public garage for him and left it there. He bought me a limo for my club awhile back and said have whatever so I got the limo and mule off ghetts account. I transfered it to a friend that was unknowing of the situation. Shortly after this he found out about my new ic relationship and got extremely upset, which ultimately led to this post. He got jealous and malicous about it and escalated it to this degree. Now, I have decency and respect to not insult or bring up our personal lives so I will refrain, although, I felt the part about finding out the ic relationship was relevant to this post. Guage Michaels is my new ic bf and did not have any prior knowledge of the house trading. What you guys decide to do with this post is entirely up to you but I am an open book about this and will not hide what I did. I am willing to live with whatever consquences, although I felt I was entirely within my rights. I will walk away from this and move on. regarless the outcome. Thank you for hearing me out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chantelements Posted October 9, 2019 Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 Johnny Lockwood has no involvement in this case. He's grasping at straws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBooker Posted October 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 Chanty is lying about me saying "take whatever" I actually said "i was taking a break for an unknown amount of time and that i would log in regularly to make sure the houses weren't repossessed by the game for inactivity" I did NOT give her my passwords. The password was the same as the one that i had used for my home grocery shopping account which she had access to, she obviously gained it form there. As there is no proof for either side whether OOC permission was given to trade any possessions, she still had no Proper IC reason to do so as i was not in the Game to RP with her. Hence breaking the NWT rule. In honesty i think her and my logs should be viewed and this will be enough to prove the whole situation, and how the NWT was conducted. I did not log in any of my accounts after around 12/13th of September until this weekend when i was informed by her in person that she had taken my items. Any activity between these times is not authorised, not RPd and in breach of server rules. Chanty informed me this evening that she has taken the Stretch limo and Mule from Ghetts (without my consent or RP) and has repurposed them giving the Mule to a friend. I did not buy this limo for her, i bought it for myself as i am an equal investor in the club she now runs, and thought it would be good to use for events, this does not however make it her vehicle or in fact belong to the club. these two vehicles were taken without consent and without any RP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chantelements Posted October 9, 2019 Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 You gave me the pw to your account to sign you periodically. You said this in your original post. How the hell would I know that your grocery password was also your eclipse pw's? I also had no idea what your accounts names were until you told them to me. Go check the logs, it'll line up with exactly what I just said I did. I did take these items and transfer to me AFTER you told me I could. AFTER giving me permission to gain access to your account. AFTER telling me your login name and pw's. You are just angry now because we broke up after this happened and now you want it all back. Even though you told me face to face you were done with the game and never coming back. If you want to piss and moan about these items I will give them back, no problem. Right here and right now. If it means you will stop crying about it. I'm done replying to this thread. It's in the hands of the God's now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBooker Posted October 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 (edited) I actually said in my original post that I would sign in periodically. Whenever anyone asked i have told them OOCly that i am taking a break due to being upset at the wording of a report where the moderator unjustly called me a liar, My IC statement has always been that "i was upset with the gods and need to take a break to cool off as you cant argue with gods - i tried and got ignored" ref: where in the final judgement: the moderator says "In this case, the player was in fact lying..." Lying is "telling an incorrect statement with the attempt to deceive" whereas in the situation i was mistakenly incorrect and had no intent to deceive. i take offense at being called a liar so i was taking a break of unknown duration to 'cool off' as it isn't a good idea to have resentment to server staff. i told this to anyone that asked, including Chanty. i never said that i was not coming back. Incidentally i now also take offense at Chanty l calling me a liar. Telling me things about this case (which may or may not be true and may have been just to set me up to look stupid) and then denying them in the report. i call the example of telling me she sold the house to Johnny and then denying it in this report after i mentioned it, denying conversations that we had, and changing the story of those we did, as this is all unprovable to the moderation team and evidently an attempt to defame me and my honesty as she has friends in high seats on the server staff roster who will take her word over mine, a humble ATM driver who just wants to mind his own business, make a little bit of money, and socialise with people at the bank. I stated clearly in my original post on the report that i had taken a break and the reason was due to the previous report. I also stated that I was to be the one that logged in, i have always stated this, so i object to Chanty's last statement saying that "You gave me the pw to your account to sign you periodically. You said this in your original post." when i clearly did not state that in any post. The information i originally posted in the report was to clarify backstory and highlight account abuse. I did not want to publish some of it publicly, in fact i sat in PD in game for 3 hours waiting for a reply to a report call to try and do this discretely but i was told by a few people that it required a forum report, and so here we are. From the day i took my break i saw Chanty on her twitch streams saying that i "fell out with the gods and got on a plane out of here" I have never said or typed that line or any similar one ...excepting the one i literally just typed to quote her. This is HER line, not mine. From the outset i have always told other players "i was upset with the gods and need to take a break to cool off as you cant argue with gods" I do not appreciate Chanty casting assumptions (without stating they are assumptions) that i am angry at my personal situation and 'piss' 'moan' and 'crying' about my items, we have already been told my a moderator to leave that subject out. " I'd also like to ask to not bring up any further talk about your relationship as that is something that should be private and does not belong on the forums as it's not Eclipse related. " And there is also no need for vulgarity. i have been civil throughout in my report, and have not 'pissed' on it or anything else apart from the lavatory receptical, nor cried throughout the whole incident, and if technically a report on a player is 'moaning' about them then i will agree to that one. but there is no need to resort to these personal attacks. Do i need to report her for OOC insults from these personal attacks? I thank Chanty for the offer of returning my items but this is not just about that. Firstly i cannot accept the properties, vehicles and original contents without administrator approval, otherwise this would be targeting both parties for even more RWT which is one of the main points of this report! The other reason for this report was that I did not authorise Chanty to log in to my accounts, and although i see no actual server rules against abusing login information i wish to get this rectified as it is obviously an oversight in the rules leaving them open to abuse. I have and will clearly state that i MYSELF, was supposed to be the one logging in to stop MY properties from being repossessed. And that i never engaged in any RP or conversation, either IC or OOC, with anyone, to say that anyone, could take ownership of my houses or cars that i grinded for goodness knows how many hours as an ATM driver to pay for. To explain in detail about the financial relationship between Chanty and I... As soon as i upgraded and bought a new house Chanty would insist on leaving the previous one and moving in to the new one and then nagging at me (ICly and OOCly) to sell the old one 'to add to the funds for the club' It appears she has been after every house i ever owned, until a better one was available and her sights raised to that. this was the case throughout, at strawberry ave, forum drive, invention ct, and the two properties in magellan ave. she only helped fund the 2G properties on invention and magellan, but still expected a cut from the profits from selling the others that were sold. even though i repaid her for the financial help getting the magellan one. We sold the shared house on invention to help fund the purchase of the club along with pooling our cash. my investment was $600 of the 800k to purchase using Ghetts character as the landlord. Then Chanty paid for all internal furniture subsidising with funds received from friends who were to be employees, Chanty and I traded the undeveloped Club to her own character for $1 to make it easier to redesign the interior which was fully RPd but i realise noe this may still be classed as RWT, i am unsure. The intent was to return the property to Ghetts as the landlord after the work was done, but this never happened. this is why i am unsure whether this classifies as RWT. i didnt think so as there was intent to return after renovation, but now i am unsure. She traded the Magellan 2g (for which i paid a 75% share initially and then repaid her the remainder shortly after) for a car in the hope of liquidating it for money to go to her Club and later regretted the decision when it wouldn't sell, asking Mike Gambino for a buyback, however this was after he had rented out the property. So out of goodwill he found a similar property, resulting in her owning a property on del perro beach, (which technically i should own as it was effectively a trade for the house i owned) and had been believing that it would be sold for investing into the joint venture of Club. It appears to me that when the moment presented itself, she used my vulnerability (being on a break from the server) against me and took the opportunity to steal my properties. that being the 3G on Magellan which i bought for $500k, and a 1G near the bank which i bought for $217k ish, and lay claim to my investments now realised in the del perro house from my initial investment from magellan of 365k, and 'the midnight club' in Chumash with an investment of 600k This can all be easily verified in the server logs. This shows a continual pattern of asset grabbing, culminating with the theft of two of my properties as reported in this thread In summary, this is not about any personal issues. this is impartially about one player illegally logging into another players account and transferring assets without consent, RP or other valid reason. which brings up the two main issues, RWT 3.4 (real world trading) and the criminal act of account abuse which SHOULD be listed in the rules; firstly because it should be punishable otherwise what is to stop any player from hacking into other players accounts, and secondly as it leaves the server owners vulnerable to legal issues of digital security which cannot be passed of with a line like "players are responsible for their own account" as this doesn't hold up in law. Chanty knew me personally and knew i had problems remembering passwords, and that i had the same one for things. i agree this is not good password procedure, however that does not justify her abusing this knowledge and using it for account abuse and theft resulting in the RWT. all of which she has admitted to in full. Edited October 9, 2019 by JDBooker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YuSoHelpful Posted October 9, 2019 Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 PLAYER REPORT LOCKED FOR REVIEW Thank you for your patience while this report is under review. After reviewing this report and the evidence attached to it, I have decided to lock this report for review to gain a better understanding of the situation for the following reason(s): The report is taking a turn that shouldn't be on the forums. Again this is talking about a lot of personal stuff. I would like both parties to contact me over Discord. #YuSoHelpful/Osas#0420. You will be notified when we conclude this report. In the meantime, we ask that you remain patient and be respectful towards one another. If you have any questions, comments, or concerns that are related to this report, feel free to utilize the forum private messaging system to message involved players and/or staff members. Regards, Moderator YuSoHelpful 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YuSoHelpful Posted November 16, 2019 Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 PLAYER REPORT ACCEPTED Thank you for your patience while this report was under review. After reviewing this report and evidence attached to it, I've decided to accept this report and issue the punishments to the following players: Chanty_Lynn @chantelements - Metagaming - Offense #1 You've used information your character wasn't supposed to know, as in, waiting by the door of the house already to quickly log in on the other account and buy the house that was put up for sale. Chanty_Lynn @chantelements - Real World Trading - Transferring properties from one account/character (the reporting party) to her own account/character. In the logs I've found that you have done this two times, with two different properties/houses. No transfer request was made, neither were you able to provide me with any form of concrete evidence where he stated you could take the properties. The password seems to have been shared, according to screenshots I've received. This does however, not give you the right to transfer the properties from one account to the other. Especially not the way you've done it. If you have received a punishment that you disagree with, feel free to file a punishment appeal following the punishment appeal guidelines and format. If the reporting party suffered a loss greater than $25,000 in value, feel free to file a refund request following the refund request guidelines and format. Regards, Senior Moderator YuSoHelpful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
