ID 223 [DM]

[Zion Willard]

Player(s) being reported: Logan Cross ID 223
Date of interaction reported: 10/06/2019
Unix time stamp from HUD: 1570391605

Your characters name: Zion Willard

Other player(s) involved: N/A

Specific rule(s) broken:

14. Deathmatch (DM)

• Deathmatching is the act of attacking a player or their property without a proper roleplay reason.

• Examples of valid reasons to attack another player:

• If they attempt to arrest or hurt you, an ally, or damage your property.

• If they report you to the police for a serious crime.

• If they are not in compliance with demands, attempt to escape, or call other players for help in a situation where they are required to display fear under fear roleplay rules.

• A player cannot kill their victim if the victim is in compliance with the demands.

• A player must allow their victim enough time to comply with the demands.

• If a player informs you that your VOIP isn’t working, you must either fix your VOIP using appropriate commands or use text to deliver your demand(s).

• Vehicles cannot be used to attack another player more than once including a failed attempt.

• Attacking another player with no engagement in roleplay is not allowed.

• Killing a player that has obeyed all orders and demands during a roleplay situation is allowed, with roleplay, only within 3 hours of:

  1.  Severe hostile or criminal action is taken against you, e.g. someone is robbing you at gunpoint. (Excluding police aiming a gun at you.)

  2.   Someone is attempting to take your life.

  3.   Someone is attempting to take the life of your close friend or ally, or if you have witnessed it happen.

• You must explain your reason to kill to the player IC and have OOC evidence proving your reason.

How did the player break the rule(s)?

Logan Cross had just arrested multiple people at SandyMD and broke off from the prison transport to the location in the video. No shots or prior DM right from SandyMD had been given, neither did I at any point give him demands or DM rights. As soon as i exited my vehicle, he ran me over because he saw my AK - drove his cruiser up the dirt path exited and fired upon myself and my vehicle before my attempt at running him over. This is clear cut DM as noted in the rules quoted above, no hostile actions had at any point been taken against him.

Evidence of rule breach:

 

[SmallboyRyan]

Hi. Logan Cross here.

So. The situation that occurred can briefly be seen in my perspective here; https://streamable.com/tavxj - Please be aware. The video gets muted halfway through as I was discussing some IRL stuff with a friend. The sound does come back.

So, we were listening to the Rooks frequency and we were in the process of arresting 6 of their guys. Zion showed up however as we already had 6 we couldn't take anymore so simply warned him to leave. IC'ly adding the fact he was there to any IC documents we have. Zion is well known to the LSPD for being high up within the Rooks. Multiple attempts to get him to leave where ignored so we decided then to leave it and continue due to fear of Rook backup turning up. As you can hear in this video; we mention how Zion was following us to DOC so I decided to stay behind and block him. https://streamable.com/z8zjz - As you can see he actually hit me with his vehicle here which could be considered hostile however throughout the entire process we were considering him hostile regardless due to the previous roleplay scenario and us knowing who he is. This was actually prior to the full on encounter.

So. I begin giving Zion demands to exit his vehicle through VOIP and then as there was no response I thought maybe he wasn't hearing me so I took it to text. With that, there was a response so I kept it there. After multiple demands and inevitably a count down you can see Zion exiting his vehicle and immediately can see he is carrying an AK47. 

I understand where Zion is coming from in regard to the fact he never shot at me however I looked at this situation with a realistic view and a standpoint from an in-real-life officer's perspective. 

A high ranking gang member, who you've just arrested their men, jumps out of his vehicle with an AK47 brandished and turns on you. I attempted to drive away to get some distance - as you can see from my perspective, I didn't intentionally hit him with the vehicle. I reacted quickly and drove a bit up to get some distance. As he then got back into his vehicle and was clearly headed straight for me I began firing at him - attempting to remove the threat. 

The rules are there to ensure a fair and realistic roleplay environment for everyone around them. Yes, I could have waited for him to shoot first but realistically what officer is going to do that. In my perspective and respectively in Logan's vision; a very high ranking member of the gang is following the convoy that is arresting multiple of his men. After multiple warnings to leave he doesn't comply and instead steps out of his vehicle with an assault rifle. 

It is clear he was going to shoot at me or directly shoot me, in my mind what other reason would he have for getting out of his vehicle with an AK47. What I did was look at it from a realistic standpoint and took action before being killed myself. I did not randomly kill him or shoot him for no reason - I shot and killed him based on the fact he stepped out of his vehicle with an assault rifle with the intention of hurting my character. Sitting around and waiting for him to do the action simply to stay within the grey area of the rules would have IC'ly made no sense.

I am sorry for acting harshly and acting quickly in the moment, however I'm not someone that goes around breaking rules and blatantly ignores them. In the situation you were following the convoy, ignored police demands and then decided it was smart to exit the vehicle with an AK47 in your possession infront of me. I am not going to take the chance that you're not attempting to hurt me.

 

Edit: As well as this, I didn't actually mean to kill Zion. He's more useful to me alive as I can then question him etc. The insta dead was just unfortunate.

 

From the above you can see that a similar situation played out in regards to considering the right move IC'ly and having a realistic approach. IC'ly Zion was a hostile the moment he ignored our demands at the initial scene and then in turn following us and ignoring more demands. I did not kill him with ill thoughts or without considering the rules. I killed Zion due to his actions. He followed us, he ignored our demands consistently, he stepped out of the vehicle with a heavy firearm and can be seen turning on me. I did what any officer would do and responded to his hostility. 

Edited October 6, 2019 by SmallboyRyan

[Zion Willard]

On 10/6/2019 at 4:56 PM, SmallboyRyan said:

From the above you can see that a similar situation played out in regards to considering the right move IC'ly and having a realistic approach. IC'ly Zion was a hostile the moment he ignored our demands at the initial scene and then in turn following us and ignoring more demands. I did not kill him with ill thoughts or without considering the rules. I killed Zion due to his actions. He followed us, he ignored our demands consistently, he stepped out of the vehicle with a heavy firearm and can be seen turning on me. I did what any officer would do and responded to his hostility. 

Attached you will see your second shot from your POV. I was directed away from you when you opened fire and only turned towards you when you began shooting at me, seen in both videos. I had neither pointed my weapon at you nor issued demands to you at any point, and the only demands you issued were "get off the patch of grass or youre getting reckless". 

This situation in it's entirety could have been avoided had you respected or at the very least acknowledged the fact that we were trying to resolve a player abusing an NCZ - waiting for an admin with an active report open when you decided to pull up with yourself and swat aiming heavy weapons at players in an area where they had no right to defend themselves. We all know that players cannot pause RP, however, common courtesy is generally to resolve situations like this among each other, instead of taking advantage of the situation. I will refrain from commenting any further unless asked to by an admin. 

[SmallboyRyan]

Honestly I'm not sure what you're referring to however I'm happy to see you respond. Honestly Zion, there's no hard feelings regarding this report. Although of course I'm not happy to be reported as I've said before and above in my response; I understand where you're coming from. I personally feel as though I did not break any rules as I was responding how my character would respond to the situation. Roleplay over ruleplay, if you will. Although I did not break any rules I was responding to the situation as seen fit.

 

You were hostile. Following the convoy after being well known to us who you were, after refusing to leave and after screaming the sheriff's deputies that were initially involved. Once you decided to put my life in danger by;

1) Exiting your vehicle in a hostile manner with an automatic rifle 

2) driving towards me.

The rules state that I cannot kill you for no reason to which I will combat and say that I did not kill you for no reason - I killed you for your threatening behavior and what I would see as you attempting to take the life of my character. The fact of the matter is; if I didn't kill you you would have killed me and although I cannot be 100% certain you would have shot me (why else step out of the vehicle with a rifle, you know it's gonna result in a fight / arrest) - IC'ly and realistically my character is not going to take that chance. You were hostile towards me and unfortunately you got killed for it. As I mentioned previously, I'm not someone that breaks rules on the server as I don't play to win. Unfortunately this situation got messy and this is the outcome of it. I do apologize the situation got out of hand but sometimes that happens. No rules were broken from either sides of the argument here and it simply was a shitty situation.

[Archaeah]

@Zion Willard This is directly after you were following the prison transport of your allies and hitting into him. In the video you are only being told to leave and get off the patch of grass, so what was your intention when hopping out of the vehicle with a heavy on your back?

Pending response.

 

[Zion Willard]

@Archaeah Following a prison transport, correct - without demands over the megaphone to stop following or anything of similar nature. It is extremely clear that we turned into each other when we first made contact with our vehicles and both jerked at the steering wheel to turn away from each other, pretty clear that the impact was unintended via both parties; honestly I’m surprised with your experience you would even bring it up - seems like quite a mute point. The drive from SandyMD to that location takes maybe 15 seconds, I was not following for a prolonged time.

As far as the rules are concerned, intentions are irrelevant. For all either of you know I could have gotten out of the car and put my hands up immediately, there was simply no RP interaction there for it to develop into something more as I was immediately ran over and subsequently gunned down while trying to flee.

(Edit) I was going to see if I could get in his car, I had no plan of aiming the AK at him unless he were to step out the vehicle.I can only press F one way, it was interpreted as being aggressive by Logan but it’s not like there’s a button to saunter out of a vehicle.

Edited October 10, 2019 by Zion Willard
Added portion (edit)

[Zion Willard]

Report has been resolved privately, feel free to archive. 

[alexalex303]

4 hours ago, Zion Willard said:

Report has been resolved privately, feel free to archive. 

Archive requested by reporter. Pending archive.

[Brawnkoh]

Locked & Archived

[Brawnkoh]

I have unarchived and unlocked this as I didn't realize @Archaeah had already taken this and it was pending her. I will let her decide if she want's to archive.

[Archaeah]

Archived.