SilentVortex Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 Player(s) being reported: ID 9 Date of interaction reported: 4/10/2019 Unix time stamp from HUD: 1570203544 Your characters name: Steve Martinez Other player(s) involved: ID 163,5,95,157,26,51 Specific rule(s) broken: 14. Deathmatch (DM) Deathmatching is the act of attacking a player or their property without a proper roleplay reason. Examples of valid reasons to attack another player: • If they attempt to arrest or hurt you, an ally, or damage your property. • If they report you to the police for a serious crime. • If they are not in compliance with demands, attempt to escape, or call other players for help in a situation where they are required to display fear under fear roleplay rules. A player cannot kill their victim if the victim is in compliance with the demands. A player must allow their victim enough time to comply with the demands. If a player informs you that your VOIP isn’t working, you must either fix your VOIP using appropriate commands or use text to deliver your demand(s). Vehicles cannot be used to attack another player more than once including a failed attempt. Attacking another player with no engagement in roleplay is not allowed. Killing a player that has obeyed all orders and demands during a roleplay situation is allowed, with roleplay, only within 3 hours of: Severe hostile or criminal action is taken against you, e.g. someone is robbing you at gunpoint. (Excluding police aiming a gun at you.) Someone is attempting to take your life. Someone is attempting to take the life of your close friend or ally, or if you have witnessed it happen. You must explain your reason to kill to the player IC and have OOC evidence proving your reason. How did the player break the rule(s)? I responded to a backup call and then the driver of the vehicle pointed a gun at my co worker and at that point I had to gun pointed at me so I quickly pressed my panic button and my engine was on and I had the chance to drive away but I didn't and gave them a chance to have a good RP other than just shooting but ID 9 comes up and starts shooting at me even when I was on my knees and surrendered. also,I would like to ask ID 51 of how he noticed me pressing my panic button when he was not near my cruiser and he was standing on the side walk . He just looked at the automatic RP above my head and said "he pressed the panic" over the radio. Panic button is attached to the side of radios and radios are attached to uniform belts. I was sitting in my cruiser and he was standing on the sidewalk so he couldn't see me pressing my panic but he just looked at the automatic RP and I think that's possible metagaming Evidence of rule breach: 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Pete Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 Hey @NightVOID, I'm ID 9 / Pete_Wright. I'd firstly like to apologise for what transpired here as from your POV it is certainly DM under the current ruleset. However, I'd like to explain why I felt my actions were justified at the time from my perspective. After jumping over the wall, I hear ID 51 repeatedly say you've pushed your panic button when you're visibly stood outside your vehicle. Since I'm being told this while you're outside your vehicle and the AME is/was there I assumed you pushed it under gun point. Pushing your panic button often causes panic for criminals as they have to act fast before the back up arrives. I don't know what to say other than sorry and if you lost anything I'd be happy to reimburse (if permitted by staff). I think this report is another example of why this specific rule needs to be revisited. Everything you did was perfectly fine, I also commend you for wanting to allow us to RP further and I was most definitely in the wrong here according to the current ruleset. I do think it's worth saying however, you've pushed the panic alarm here then submitted yourself to a position where FRP is required. We've got 2 cops at gunpoint at this point, some with heavy weaponry so it's very likely the backup will be shooting to kill upon arrival. Therefore, one could argue pushing your panic alarm in such a situation is "severe hostile action" to a criminal player. This is not an excuse for what I did, I should have been more observant but I think it's a fair point to make given the situation. Roughly 2 months ago, FatherOsborn hinted that this kind of situation and the relevant rules were going to be reviewed: Again, apologies for ruining what could have been extended RP for all involved in this scenario. I hope we have an opportunity to RP again and I can show you I'm not a bad egg! Thanks, Pete 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedHot Posted October 5, 2019 Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 PLAYER REPORT PENDING RESPONSES Thank you for your patience while this report is under review. After reviewing this report and the evidence attached to it, I have decided that this report cannot be concluded at this time. The following players will be required to provide their side of the story from this situation within the next twenty-four (24) hours: [Jack_Waters [ID #51]] - [ @Robbeaxe ] Can you explain why you were calling that he pressed his panic alarm as he was inside the vehicle? [Pete_Wright [ID #9]] - [ @Pistol Pete ] What reason did you have to run round the corner and kill him like that for as he was in compliance with demands? If the players above fail to respond to this report within the next twenty-four (24) hours, this report will be concluded based on the evidence that has already been provided, to the best of our ability. Regards, RedHot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Pete Posted October 5, 2019 Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 Hey @RedHot, I think I covered everything in my initial reply. This point specifically is why I done what I did: 12 hours ago, Pistol Pete said: However, I'd like to explain why I felt my actions were justified at the time from my perspective. After jumping over the wall, I hear ID 51 repeatedly say you've pushed your panic button when you're visibly stood outside your vehicle. Since I'm being told this while you're outside your vehicle and the AME is/was there I assumed you pushed it under gun point. Pushing your panic button often causes panic for criminals as they have to act fast before the back up arrives. I don't know what to say other than sorry and if you lost anything I'd be happy to reimburse (if permitted by staff). Let me know if there's anything else, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbeaxe Posted October 5, 2019 Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 Hello, this is Robbeaxe here. I knew the panic button was placed because I do believe that when I am in a clear view, which I was, of the driver when approaching the car like that, can see his /ame, which I think is the point of the emote, it's not something that pops up in chat but above there head and from my perspective I would have been able to see the cop reach for his vest, radio and click this. I was approaching the cop from the right side of the vehicle when I already saw him sitting in the drivers seat and would I think logically see him go for his vest and press this button as I was also able to see the /ame which happens when cops press the button, hence why I was able to see he pressed the button. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbeaxe Posted October 5, 2019 Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 Also, seeing as I am support staff, should this report go to the senior+'s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbeaxe Posted October 5, 2019 Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 (edited) Just to clarify, I just re read the report and was PM'ed by the reporter. The radio was on the belt, which still, I was comming from the right with a more then clear view on the driver when he ICly would've reached for his radio there. I said Chest because from more then enough IRL sources, the radio they use to communicate, police that is, have their radios on ther chest on the left side and or plainly on their shoulder. Edited October 5, 2019 by Robbeaxe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentVortex Posted October 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 @Robbeaxe the part that your talking about is microphone plugged into the radio which is kept by my waistband. (the small red button is the panic button ) and the /ame is an emote for RP purposes but it's not that big of a movement that I'd just be reaching for the radio. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbeaxe Posted October 5, 2019 Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 See myself corrected then. But, I have said all I had to say about my part and will not be responding as long as it is required of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Eriksen Posted October 5, 2019 Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 Just wan't to give my point of view from this scenario, from what what I make out of this the /ame says they following reaches pressing a button on his radio... Now I'm no expert but as many cops say to me If you can see the item ICly its there... And radios are scripted to be on your ear and whenever you change frequency or press a button for example you would pressing your ear... Even if this wasn't the case from his angle the center console was not blocking you to the point where he couldn't see you doing so and even if it was he would have seen your arm move and he could've made the educated assumption that you went ahead and pressed your panic button like every other cop... 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Pete Posted October 5, 2019 Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 7 hours ago, Robbeaxe said: The radio was on the belt 6 hours ago, NightVOID said: microphone plugged into the radio which is kept by my waistband In all my time on the server (including as PD), I've not once been told where the panic button "officially" is. I think even if the officer does roleplay putting it in a discrete location, how on Earth is it reasonable for other players to know this roleplay has occurred without a /do being present in every scenario the officer enters? Although not explicitly mentioned in the rules anymore, I believe it's widely accepted that metagaming camera angles is not a thing. How can we therefore, on one side say the panic button action is not visible and then not have an issue if (merely an example) the same cop would see me behind a wall via a weird camera angle and use that information? I don't have an issue with either example, I just think it's a fair comparison. Maybe it's just me and I'm a terrible person but, as PD and a criminal I've always believed that if someone is in view of the panic button AME when it's first shown (within reason of course), I/players can use that information. Things could get really silly if a precedent is set here. For example, what would stop me doing a /do to explain that my windows are shut so when calling the police to report a serious crime happening right in front of me, the players I'm reporting cannot use this information? The rules dictate that the players I've reported can kill me but they'd immediately be apprehensive as to whether they could use that information IC. Stuff like this would just lead to confusion and that's why I believe it's purposefully left out of the server rules. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedHot Posted October 8, 2019 Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 PLAYER REPORT ACCEPTED Thank you for your patience while this report was under review. After reviewing this report and evidence attached to it, I've decided to accept this report and issue the punishments to the following players: [Jack_Waters [ID #51]] - [Punishment] - [Metagaming #1] - [Reading and acting on the /ame placed above the officers head, you could have done a /do would I notice the officer pressing the panic button, when he was in the cover of the car] [Pete_Wright [ID #9]] - [Deathmatch] - [Offense #1] - [The cop was on his knees in full compliance with any demands given and was shot for no reason] All decisions have been run by Bakmeel as a staff member was involved. If you have received a punishment that you disagree with, feel free to file a punishment appeal following the punishment appeal guidelines and format. If the reporting party suffered a loss greater than $25,000 in value, feel free to file a refund request following the refund request guidelines and format. Regards, RedHot 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
