JayGamble Posted October 2, 2019 Report Share Posted October 2, 2019 (edited) After careful deliberation, I have reconsidered my report and would like to retract it. I do believe by definition that there should have been clear "fear for Wallaces" life, but I believe him attempting to flee on his bike is rply showing concern for his life by trying to create distance from his potential attackers. I do not feel Wallace did this with the intent to gain an edge on the situation, nor do I feel he consciously tried create a much larger situation based on it. I believe that the shootout occurred due to both sides ultimately attempting to fulfill their "duties" and I will not hold that against anyone. I ask that this report be closed & archived. Thank you for the consideration, and I apologize for the time lost on trying to solve said report. Edited October 14, 2019 by JayGamble 9 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickeyyy Posted October 2, 2019 Report Share Posted October 2, 2019 This will be pending the support staff team. @Lewis @Bakmeel . please be patient as they respond. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flow Posted October 2, 2019 Report Share Posted October 2, 2019 ID 96 here. At no point were any demands given. At no point was I ever stationary. At no point did you ever shoot at me. That rule you quote has nothing to do with this situation. I wasn't stationary, I was moving. You could've shot me, you could've given demands. That never happened. Going by your logic, you could stand by the highway and aim a weapon at every bike that drives past at close range and they'd be breaking FearRP. This is nonsense. https://streamable.com/evgrc 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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flow Posted October 2, 2019 Report Share Posted October 2, 2019 I am not honking, as I see the weapons I accelerate to get away and press my panic button which is a bind with the honk key. I play by the same rules as you Jay, nothing more or less. And the definition of those rules will be up to the admins handling this report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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flow Posted October 2, 2019 Report Share Posted October 2, 2019 The average human doesn't run at 25 to 30 mph, that claim is outrageously wrong. Usain Bolts ever highest speed was 27,5mph and his average 23.35mph. Arguably the fastest human being. If you try to make a point with made up facts then reconsider your point. I was given information that there were people on this location with weapons. I went to check because it could've been bogus information. I drive in, see 3 people, I drive close notice the weapons, accelerate quickly and then once at a safe distance activate my panic alarm. That's the timeline of events. You want to make something out of nothing and I really dont have the time to refute your bogus claims. I wont be answering any more unless it's to an admin. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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flow Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 (edited) 18 hours ago, JayGamble said: what you fail to include in your "timeline" is this situation snowballed into a massive shoot out in which many officers and zetas died; this never needed to occur You are correct it did. And it did so by choice, by yours and your members. You are lamenting about how this didn't need to happen. And you are right, we went to get the guy with the heavy. It was entirely your choice to get your members, most of which drive drag bikes by the way, to intervene and start a shootout. You could've cut your losses, lost an AK, one guy spends some time in prison and the rest get away scot free. You did not however, you wanted a confrontation and you got it. You preach to me about a responsibility I have as a member of SD which is true, I do. But you fail to notice the very things you complain about are ever so present in your own faction, an official one none the less. You guys more so than any other started using drags as a means of not getting caught and outrunning everything there is. It is a tool you use comfortably and you believe it to be within reason. The server rules back you up, but they do so for me as well. You all want the priviledge of using these bike but not the consequence of them being used against you. That doesn't work. You bring things into this report that have nothing to do with what you are reporting. You believe I should have displayed FearRP because guns were drawn at me. I believe to have acted within the rules as I was never stationary, there were never any demands given and as proven, I had the means of getting away unharmed. You could have shot, you could have given demands, yet you didn't do any of this. All I have seen is being threatened with guns to leave the immediate area, which I did. Yet again, I am not sure why you keep dragging this out any more, you've made your point, I've made mine, let's wait and see what the conclusion is and then we'll have an answer. Please stop diverting this report into a direction that is not at all related to the rule breach you believe has happened. Edited October 3, 2019 by flow 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Emulsify Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 Please refrain from the back and forth responding or this report will be locked for review. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeah Posted October 9, 2019 Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 I have one question, @flow "I was given information that there were people on this location with weapons. I went to check because it could've been bogus information." What was the information given? Did you drive up to the group of people knowing they could have heavy weapons? The information you received prior on what was meant to be at this location is important for the context here. Pending response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flow Posted October 9, 2019 Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 A black Brawler drove up to me by Paul's Farm and said there were people at Catfish View that had weapons. Though there wasn't mention of heavy weapons but weapons still. Now, often times people will come up to us and try to get us to go to these labs in order to get one up on other gangs. So we take this info with a grain of salt and check up, if we don't encounter anything blatantly illegal, we let it be and ignore the lab. Generally speaking, we take this info and go to investigate. As you can see in my video, I drive in slowly, assessing the situation. From my POV I did not see any weapons and deemed the situation safe enough to approach further, I continue to approach slowly and make the turn after which I spot the AK and at this point I accelerate and leave. The mention of weapons was taken seriously, hence the slow approach to the area, trying to determine whether it was safe or not. But as I didn't see a threat, I continued further. As the threat was established by spotting the AK, I left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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flow Posted October 9, 2019 Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 10 minutes ago, JayGamble said: at 3 seconds into your video, you can clearly make out the man has an AK, and you still continue to try and wrap around us at extremely slow speeds versus trying to cut through early and make an escape. at 11 seconds you call code 1, tac 1, cat fish drug lab. as far as I know, if you "knew" it was a drug lab formerly, it would be destroyed. you conducted no investigation, zero attempt to show any major concern your life, and pushed to create a much larger scenario around it. you actively tried to tell me via DM that it was okay for you to run because your "engine was on" which I included above, but the rule clearly states different when operating a motorcycle as stated • When you are on foot or bike and a weapon is aimed at you at close range. it makes no mention of the engine being on, and multiple times you've said to me "you could have just shot at me", yet time and time we're told to stray away from the "shoot too quick" mentality, yet you're actively trying to promote it, by ignoring specific rules. The reality of this scenario should have been you essentially getting captured, and us leaving without any issue due to your negligence and careless behavior driving up to us at slow speeds but it resulted in a shootout in which numerous people died, likely without any real understanding or context RP leading up to it. You can make out the weapon now, while looking for just that. In that situation, while observing people, possible people hidden from my view and trying to assess the situation, I did not spot the weapon or else I would not have proceeded. It would not have made any sense for me whatsoever to continue onwards had I noticed the weapons. You assume I did, but I did not. When I did see the weapon I was already around and you can see the exact moment in my video when I noticed the AK which was when I accelerated to get out. You are making accusations that are clearly not true Jay. I did not ask to escalate anything. I was never given any demands. You want me off the bike? Then tell me. None of you ever said a word. As soon as I had seen the weapon, I did what anyone would do and booked it. At that point there were still not demands made. You can not expect me to know what you want if you don't tell me. You can't seriously demand that we all drop to our knees at the sight of a weapon. For all I know, you wanted me out of that lab. With no demands given, I had no information about you wanting me to get off the bike. I can just repeat myself, the second I spotted the weapon, I left. You should have said something had you wanted me to do something other than leaving. Your point entirely resides on your assumptions that I had seen the weapons as I pulled in, which is not true. I have no reason to start a shootout, I do not have a track record of anything alike, I have a clean admin record and no disciplinary actions either in PD or SD, ever. I am not looking for shootouts. You make the assumptions based on your own believes, which frankly are wrong. Maybe you should consider my PoV and having to keep a tab on multiple people and how I may have not seen the AK. Regardless, if I am found to be at fault that is fine, I will take the punishment for it. But I firmly believe that you and your friends should have given demands and not just assumed the situation was clear to me, then this would have gone a different way. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayGamble Posted October 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 I have updated my stance on this report, I apologize to anyone involved for the time wasted, but I do not wish to pursue this report. I don't feel the actions showcased were done maliciously. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fa1N Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 Report locked & archived upon request. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
