ID 51 / 21 (DM)

[Fizzy]

Player(s) being reported: ID 51 and 21
Date of interaction reported: 29/09/2019
Unix time stamp from HUD: 1569723801

Your characters name: Bobby Escobar

Other player(s) involved: N/A

Specific rule(s) broken:

14. Deathmatch (DM)

• Deathmatching is the act of attacking a player or their property without a proper roleplay reason.

• Examples of valid reasons to attack another player:

• If they attempt to arrest or hurt you, an ally, or damage your property.

• If they report you to the police for a serious crime.

• If they are not in compliance with demands, attempt to escape, or call other players for help in a situation where they are required to display fear under fear roleplay rules.

• A player cannot kill their victim if the victim is in compliance with the demands.

• A player must allow their victim enough time to comply with the demands.

• If a player informs you that your VOIP isn’t working, you must either fix your VOIP using appropriate commands or use text to deliver your demand(s).

• Vehicles cannot be used to attack another player more than once including a failed attempt.

• Attacking another player with no engagement in roleplay is not allowed.

• Killing a player that has obeyed all orders and demands during a roleplay situation is allowed, with roleplay, only within 3 hours of:

  1.  Severe hostile or criminal action is taken against you, e.g. someone is robbing you at gunpoint. (Excluding police aiming a gun at you.)

  2.   Someone is attempting to take your life.

  3.   Someone is attempting to take the life of your close friend or ally, or if you have witnessed it happen.

• You must explain your reason to kill to the player IC and have OOC evidence proving your reason.

How did the player break the rule(s)?

I had just exited a house and instantly got shot at without any demands by ID 51 / 21 unsure of which one of them it was but they didn't give time for demands or give any demands they just shot at me and my natural instinct would be to shoot back hence why i shot back. They didn't give me the chance to RP or anything, just instantly shot at me.

Evidence of rule breach:

https://streamable.com/b5r0t

Here's the screenshot of me getting shot at as soon as i exit the house without any demands 

EDIT: After slowing the footage down it appears as though ID21 is the one who started shooting at me. Here is the footage on youtube so you can slow it down to see it was ID21 who was the person who shot the first bullet
 

 

Edited September 29, 2019 by Fizzy

[Striax]

Aye, so i  was ID 51 in this report, i rolled up, Yelled some demands at a guy, then the gunfight happened. I kill your friend, then you pop out, aim near us, and actually take the first shot, at which point id 21 and i immediately shoot you. As for you taking damage upon coming out, neither of us aim'ed or shot at you, so i would assume Desync as at 801 Timestamp we were killing your friend still. Feel Free to slow my video down, at .25 and see you were the first one to shoot then we light you up. 

**** I would also love to note, why are you aiming your Camera already knowing where 2 of us were....before even leaving. you start looking at the door then adjust so you would already be able to aim at us...can you explain how you knew exactly where we would be upon coming out the house?

Edited September 29, 2019 by Striax
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[Wolokai142]

In the video posted below, at time stamp 2:13, you'll see that the man exiting the building had a gun in his hand and within 0.5 seconds raises it and begins to immediately engage us. I find it odd how I didn't see any radio communication from the first individual we were shooting that would indicate you would know a situation was unfolding outside that would lead to your response, but regardless, you emerged shooting so no demands needed to be given per the deathmatch ruling:

• Examples of valid reasons to attack another player:

• If they attempt to arrest or hurt you, an ally, or damage your property.

I can't tell from my angle or distance if demands were given as I was outside Oti's voip range on the first individual, but in my view the 1st combatant was drawing a weapon and I did not open fire until I saw a shot ring out from him FIRST, which indicates he wasn't interested in talking. This report is pretty cut and dry, there's no DM here, and this is a pretty disappointing reach to try and label it as such.

 

[Wolokai142]

As in additional note, I'd like the admins to investigate a possible MG charge on the reporting party to figure out how he knew there was a situation happening outside. Oti didn't see/hear any radio communication from the man outside to let the person inside know there was a situation happening, yet the second man emerged guns blazing. 

[Striax]

PS: at the Timestamp 800-801 where you are shot im not aiming at you  

[Fizzy]

1 hour ago, Striax said:

**** I would also love to note, why are you aiming your Camera already knowing where 2 of us were....before even leaving. you start looking at the door then adjust so you would already be able to aim at us...can you explain how you knew exactly where we would be upon coming out the house?

 

1 hour ago, Wolokai said:

As in additional note, I'd like the admins to investigate a possible MG charge on the reporting party to figure out how he knew there was a situation happening outside. Oti didn't see/hear any radio communication from the man outside to let the person inside know there was a situation happening, yet the second man emerged guns blazing. 

Here you go  a slightly longer clip to clear us from metagaming, he clearly said on radio, 'someones here someones here' he didn't specify they had guns or whatever and that i would be getting shot on exit so i had no clue what was going on. Me shooting you is just a normal human reaction and mine is probably faster due to my vast experience in different shooting games such as counter strike. As you can see I just exited the house, no demands or anything and i get shot at, i am trying to defend myself hence why i shot back but i don't see why i got shot in the first place on exit. I was not given a chance to roleplay or anything

Edited September 29, 2019 by Fizzy

[Wolokai142]

If you came out with a gun in your hand and raised it, youre not looking to rp, youre looking to shoot it out, which is what happened. Leaving it to admins, but thank you for clearing the MG up.

[Fizzy]

1 minute ago, Wolokai said:

If you came out with a gun in your hand and raised it, youre not looking to rp, youre looking to shoot it out, which is what happened. Leaving it to admins, but thank you for clearing the MG up.

I got shot at on exit so I had no choice but to 'raise' my gun like i said. Anyway i won't respond unless asked by admins

[Striax]

lol, Either way you were hit by Desync....neither one of us pointed a gun NEAR you at time stamp 800-801 when you took damage. So it be like that.

[Mickeyyy]

REPORT DENIED

Thank you again for making a player report.   After reviewing evidence. We have decided to deny the report for the following reasons:   When you came outside you instantly aimed your weapon which resulted in being shot, yes on your end it shows a slow load in, but on reds video if you slow it down to .25 and forward too 2:11 and watch,  you will see that the reporting party instantly drew their weapon actually shot a fraction of a second before either of the reported party did.    This decision is final. Unless instructed too, if you post another report pertaining to this incident you shall receive forum warning points and a mute from posting on the forums. Not happy with the outcome, Or got questions?  Post a forum private message towards the admin handling this case to talk about it a bit further. Regards, Mickeyyy