FEAR RP ID 165 & 209

[nikoh]

Player(s) being reported: ID 165 and 209
Date of interaction reported: 9-17-2019
Unix time stamp from HUD: 1568757954

Your characters name: Nick Wong

Other player(s) involved: Pete Wright @Pistol Pete, Lu Wong @Farmzy

Specific rule(s) broken:
 

13. Fear Roleplay (FRP)

• Fear roleplay is the concept of roleplaying fear for your character’s safety and life.

• Examples (but not limited to), where your character’s life is considered to be in direct danger:

• When you are on foot or bike and a weapon is aimed at you at close range.

• When you’re in a vehicle that is stalled or turned off and a weapon is aimed at you close range.

• When the attacker lowers their weapon to type or roleplay, your life remains in direct danger.

• Driving a vehicle in an active shootout more than once without the intent of protecting a friend, fleeing with it, or using it as cover.

• Examples (but not limited to), where your character’s life is NOT considered to be in direct danger:

• When you are in a car which engine is not stalled.

• When you have a firearm drawn and are facing the other person before they attacked.

• When the attacker’s view is obstructed by an object or when they turn their back on you.

• As a victim, whose life is in direct danger:

• You must display reasonable value for your life and comply with the demands of your attacker.

• You cannot call 911 or call your friends or allies to aid you.

How did the player break the rule(s)?

ID 209 and ID 165 ignored demands while being aimed at close range with a lethal weapon. ID 165 proceeds to pull out his gun and fire back, when hes in direct LoS by Lu Wong with a shotgun. 
Evidence of rule breach:

https://streamable.com/q3xxl

Edited September 17, 2019 by DetectiveStone

[Pistol Pete]

ID 135 / Pete_Wright,

Here's my POV:

Very brave cops indeed!

[alexalex303]

Hello @DetectiveStone, thank you for making the report.

Player ID 209 ― Dezzy_Bala ― @GOAT, why did you take out your gun and run around when a player pointed a shotgun at you, at close range, and told you to put your hands up?

Player ID 165 ― Noah_Shriver ― @bumddha, why did you take out your gun and shoot back when a player was pointing a shotgun at you, and issued you an order to put your hands up?

Aforementioned players have 24 hours to reply with their account of the events, or action may be taken without their account.

Sincerely,

alexalex303 and @Donovan

Edited September 17, 2019 by alexalex303

[Bala]

Timeline:

- We were chasing a red/black Feltzer. Lost it in the Vinewood hills, regained visual at Parking Lot. 
- Gave chase and Nick Wong (the reporter) was on his bike interfering in the pursuit, he hits my cruiser with his bike and spins it out slightly. (Unrealistic, but that's GTA for you).
- I continue up the road at speed and Nick suddenly brakes.
- I hit him and he clears four lanes of traffic and lands on the grass. Tom Brown and Santino Deferro can confirm this as they saw.
- I immediately stopped pursuing and attended to Nick Wong with a BLS kit, which Noah Shriver can attest to.
- I call for a medic to come, no one answers.
- Nick Wong asks me OOCly for Death Roleplay. Now even though he had interfered in a pursuit and hit me with his bike, I decided that i'd actually do him a favour and let him die if that's what he wanted.
- I continue treating Nick's wounds.
- @MrSilky and whoever Jessica Sanchez was playing on immediately come right up to the scene and start making threats in front of at least 4-5 police officers.
- They tell me that if Nick Wong dies, I'm going to die too. 

I'd like to at this point counter-cite.

Quote

 

8. Non-Roleplay (NRP)

Actions that are unrealistic or promote poor quality roleplay are considered as non-roleplay.
Examples of actions that are considered as non-roleplay:

• Cop Baiting - Provoking a reaction from emergency services without a realistic reason.

 

So, they roll up to a scene with multiple officers and threaten an officer. Great roleplay.
- Noah Shriver stands there for thirty seconds while they say this before moving them on. They were on the North side of the situation at this point.
- They then move around to the south side of the situation. At this point, they repeat themselves, that if Nick dies, I die.

- At this point, i've had enough both IC and OOC of the bullshit so I asked them twice to get out of the car. As they have threatened my life twice, I draw my pistol and i'm aiming it a foot away from @MrSilky 's head.

- He proceeds to take off. I know the rules state that if a vehicle is running, you can take off. 
For those of you that will no doubt read this report, a little pop quiz. Which is faster? A bullet fired from a gun or a modded whatever that car was. I don't know what kind of speed that vehicle is running but your average bullet on a slow news day travels around 1,700 miles per hour. 

Roughly translated, he should be worried that a small piece of metal is about to open up his skull like a watermelon.

- Anyways, Nick is taking an age to die at this point but fair enough, I was doing HIM a favour by letting him do that. I was under no obligation and some cops would of said no, just to be a dick about it since it's Triads.

- At this point Lucy_McMahon character is starts talking about collecting the body and I told her that he's not dead. She starts moaning about medical attention but Nick's a vegetable at this point. No aspirin and bandage is going to fix getting yeeted over four lanes.

- Anyways, then the backup arrives and to be honest with you, I'd had about enough of this. Between being Pitted by a bike, having to perform medical roleplay (which I hate) on someone that had been granted death roleplay, having someone not bother role-playing my gun to their head and then having Lucy McMahon moaning about it.

- By the time all their people show up with guns, I was basically in my head and start arguing with Lucy about providing medical roleplay. I can see from the video that @MrSilky was aiming a shotgun but you'll notice the VOIP is actually quite quiet. I'm also in TAC at this point and it's loud. As hard as this might be to believe, i'm so used to Silky's voice being on my side, I didn't think anything of it. I didn't know it was him in the car that had threatened me before either. I was still mid-conversation when they were aiming at me, didn't even realise.

- As a result, you can see I'm just walking around. I didn't actually realise what was happening until I started getting shot. By the time that happens, no one had a gun aimed at me but I got killed. I'm still not sure what for, all I was doing was providing medical roleplay to someone that needed it and doing my job. 

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Frankly, I gave Nick Wong the concession of Death Roleplay. If I didn't, this situation wouldn't of happened because i'd of took him to MD myself and that situation would be been clear. I had no interest in winning, even when MrSilky's character threatened my life the first time, I let it go and I still let him go after he drove off. I had no interest in winning that situation, just wanted to let Nick die and continue on with my patrol.

In return, what do I get? I get a forum report for Fear Roleplay from the guy I tried to help. That's actually incredible, just when I think I can't be anymore surprised, bippidy boppidy.

Triads are an official faction and they have one of the lowest overall standards of role-play on the entire server. I've held my tongue long enough but if the admins want any kind of credibility for the role-play in this server, you should review their status as a representative of said server. Straight to /b, constant reporting, their continued non role-play use of motorcycles in multiple situations and trying to find any excuse to antagonise the police, both IC and OOC. Tell me I'm lying.

We're put on this pedestal in the Police Department above everyone else but situations like this is the absolute dross we have to deal with on a daily basis. Is it any wonder people want to quit the Police Department when they can go around and act like this and seemingly get away with it?

Getting reported, potentially booted out of my own faction and punished isn't what pisses me off. What pisses me off is that I actually tried to do the right thing AND half the people involved in this ridiculous situation are or were until recently serving Police Officers. Police Officers that have to deal with this kind of behaviour on a daily basis and here they are, perpetrating it against their own. They are the worst of the worst in my opinion and you all know who you are.

[Bala]

@alexalex303 - I don't think you should take my report, as you have recently been in PD. I don't want people suggesting if you rule in favour of PD that it's because you were previously a part of the faction, which unfortunately will likely happen.

[nikoh]

27 minutes ago, GOAT said:

In return, what do I get? I get a forum report for Fear Roleplay from the guy I tried to help. That's actually incredible, just when I think I can't be anymore surprised, bippidy boppidy.

Please don't think that this report is personal or made out of spite. 

 

I understand one can be cluttered with TAC1/Radio comms, but the truth of the matter is, Lu Wong came directly at you with intent to harm. He had a weapon drawn ready to kill you if you didn't comply. Which you didn't. 

Per the rules, you should've realistically had fear for you life. Along with the other officers on the scene. Running around in confusion because you're used to hearing MrSilky's voice is understandable, but you must accept the fact that you did not comply with the demands given. You nor ID 165. 

27 minutes ago, GOAT said:

Triads are an official faction and they have one of the lowest overall standards of role-play on the entire server. I've held my tongue long enough but if the admins want any kind of credibility for the role-play in this server, you should review their status as a representative of said server. Straight to /b, constant reporting, their continued non role-play use of motorcycles in multiple situations and trying to find any excuse to antagonise the police, both IC and OOC. Tell me I'm lying.

I'm having trouble wrapping my head around this statement, since YOU were the one breaking Fear RP and ruining what could've been an interesting RP scenario. Your perception of the Los Santos Triads comes from a place of ignorance, I'm afraid, as many would attest that we have some of the BEST RP within the criminal world in ECRP. 

 

I understand you're frustrated, as you think you had done me a favor by granting me Death RP. I as well understand that Death RP is a privilege, in this case however, I personally think it would've been UNREALISTIC to deny it, regardless of it being a privilege. You had T-Boned my bike at high speed, when I didn't have a helmet on. My flying across the pavement and slamming the curb was 100% going to kill me IRL, if not completely paralyze and or render me a vegetable, as you said. 

 

 

27 minutes ago, GOAT said:

- As a result, you can see I'm just walking around. I didn't actually realise what was happening until I started getting shot. By the time that happens, no one had a gun aimed at me but I got killed. I'm still not sure what for, all I was doing was providing medical roleplay to someone that needed it and doing my job. 

 

You had stopped giving me medical roleplay for some time actually, as I say in /do multiple times, 5 minutes had passed, 10 minutes had passed etc. I believe you had plenty of time to comply to their demands, since you were not actively providing me medical attention.

Edited September 18, 2019 by DetectiveStone
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[Bala]

1 minute ago, DetectiveStone said:

Please don't think that this report is personal or made out of spite. 

Then why was it made? I died. No one went to prison. No one was going to prison. You'd done nothing worth going to prison for. I'd done nothing worth getting killed for.

1 minute ago, DetectiveStone said:

I understand one can be cluttered with TAC1/Radio comms, but the truth of the matter is, Lu Wong came directly at you with intent to harm. He had a weapon drawn ready to kill you if you didn't comply. Which you didn't. 

Per the rules, you should've realistically had fear for you life. Along with the other officers on the scene. Running around in confusion because you're used to hearing MrSilky's voice is understandable, but you must accept the fact that you did not comply with the demands given. You nor ID 165. 

I'm having trouble wrapping my head around this statement, since YOU were the one breaking Fear RP and ruining what could've been an interesting RP scenario. Your perception of the Los Santos Triads comes from a place of ignorance, I'm afraid, as many would attest that we have some of the BEST RP within the criminal world in ECRP. 

If I don't notice something, I can't react to it, can I? Forget the IC stuff for a second. I've been a cop six months, had a gun pulled on me hundreds of times. Never had one single incident of Fear RP misuse during that time.

In all honesty, someone pulls a gun on me and i'm aware of it, instinctively I have two responses. Either I'm going to surrender and put my hands up OR i'm going to do what Noah did and pull a gun. One is right, one is wrong. But I did neither.

What did I do? I was still shouting at Lucy about not being a surgeon and there not being anything i could do for you. You can see in the video, i'm just walking around the scene. She was my focus, not Lu.

You cannot expect me to roleplay fear if I don't realise there is a threat LOL. It's FIGHT or FLIGHT. Not Fight, Flight or Continue Your Conversation.

1 minute ago, DetectiveStone said:

I understand you're frustrated, as you think you had done me a favor by granting me Death RP. I as well understand that Death RP is a privilege, in this case however, I personally think it would've been UNREALISTIC to deny it, regardless of it being a privilege. You had T-Boned my bike at high speed, when I didn't have a helmet on. My flying across the pavement and slamming the curb was 100% going to kill me IRL, if not completely paralyze and or render me a vegetable, as you said. 

You had stopped giving me medical roleplay for some time actually, as I say in /do multiple times, 5 minutes had passes, 10 minutes had passed etc. I believe you had plenty of time to comply to their demands. 

You god damn right i'm frustrated. There isn't anything in the rules to say, you must make allowances for head protection or velocity of travel upon impact Nick. If my guy can run with a gun next to his head, then you can't bring science into this.

Death Roleplay is granted for people that display good roleplay on scenes when down. When you asked, you'd done none and actually, by causing my vehicle to swerve with your bike in a chase, you had demonstrated non-roleplay. So yes, approving you to die in the roleplay was a kindness on my part.

I had stopped giving you roleplay because beyond bandaging your wounds and placing the BLS kit under your head, there wasn't anything else I could rply do for you. Which is exactly what I told Lucy.

The reason why your friends were able to come and kill everyone was because I allowed you to death roleplay and we had to wait for you to bleed out. I can't shoot you myself, can I? That's not allowed.

So if anything here, you owe me an apology.

[Bala]

Also, it's just come to my attention that in @Pistol Pete's video, I put my gun away when the shots started firing so... not exactly a threat am I? lmao.

[alexalex303]

Once you have given your account of the events, cease posting unless you have new evidence to provide. If you feel that there's more you can add to your account, edit your post.

[nikoh]

15 minutes ago, GOAT said:

Then why was it made? I died. No one went to prison. No one was going to prison. You'd done nothing worth going to prison for. I'd done nothing worth getting killed for.

You did not comply with demands which is why the report was made. I see where you're coming from when you say that you died and didn't effect the scenario afterwards, but truth be told, you were given demands by Lu Wong, for roughly 6 seconds, you look around confused, after you holster your weapon you then run, instead of putting your hands up. As seen in Pete's video. Your rule break along with ID 165 caused the shootout, had you both complied, no shots would've been fired, and you would've saved yourself a report. 

 

15 minutes ago, GOAT said:

In all honesty, someone pulls a gun on me and i'm aware of it, instinctively I have two responses. Either I'm going to surrender and put my hands up OR i'm going to do what Noah did and pull a gun. One is right, one is wrong. But I did neither.

Thank you for realizing that ID 165 did in fact make the wrong decision by pulling out his gun whilst being surrounded by shotguns.  

 

15 minutes ago, GOAT said:

You cannot expect me to roleplay fear if I don't realise there is a threat LOL. It's FIGHT or FLIGHT. Not Fight, Flight or Continue Your Conversation.

I understand this completely, but yet again, the truth of the matter is that you're in TAC-1, and that does not justify your inability to Fear RP properly. 

 

All in all I cannot apologize to you, as you've disrespected our faction with baseless claims and harsh words. I am sorry, however, that you have to deal with this report because of your own actions. 

 

P.S. Sorry @alexalex303 for replying after you told us to edit, I was in the middle of drafting the reply when you posted yours, and felt justified in replying to his harsh reply myself

Edited September 18, 2019 by DetectiveStone
Addressing Alex's reply

[Bala]

1 minute ago, DetectiveStone said:

You did not comply with demands which is why the report was made. I see where you're coming from when you say that you died and didn't effect the scenario afterwards, but truth be told, you were given demands by Lu Wong, for roughly 6 seconds, you look around confused, after you holster your weapon you then run, instead of putting your hands up. As seen in Pete's video. Your rule break along with ID 165 caused the shootout, had you both complied, no shots would've been fired, and you would've saved yourself a report. 

On your video, he's quiet and he was quiet for me also, he's louder in Pistol Pete's video for some reason even though he's further away. But between him and TAC, it was basically ambient noise. 

The admins also have to take into account that i've heard @MrSilky nearly every day for six months and when I'm on PD duty and he's telling someone to put their hands up, he's always on my team. Perhaps if it was someone else yelling it, then it might of registered.

I look around confused, because I genuinely was confused, I was trying to find out what the hell was going on. If i had my gun out already and I knew you were trying to kill me, why wouldn't I do what Noah did and try and defend myself?

On one of the videos, I have a gun out and put it away. On the other I don't have a gun and pull it out, so I dunno which is which to tell you the truth.

As for the "Your rule break along with ID 165 caused the shootout, had you both complied, no shots would've been fired, and you would've saved yourself a report. " - Why was Lu still telling me to put my hands up AFTER the first shots were fired then? 

Your guys openly threatened my life, then you return to the scene with guns and you are telling me that had we both complied, no shots would of been fired. Come on, bro, who you kidding?

 

1 minute ago, DetectiveStone said:

Thank you for realizing that ID 165 did in fact make the wrong decision by pulling out his gun whilst being surrounded by shotguns.  

I understand this completely, but yet again, the truth of the matter is that you're in TAC-1, and that does not justify your inability to Fear RP properly. 

All in all I cannot apologize to you, as you've disrespected our faction with baseless claims and harsh words. I am sorry, however, that you have to deal with this report because of your own actions. 

What ID 165 did was wrong, I agree. But I didn't do that.
I have no Non RP blemishes on my record in six months and had I understood what was happening correctly, i'd of surrendered. 

What I would love to know is why Lu openly threatened my life with several cops present and then returned with backup and your backup killed my officers.

You were also still alive at this point so their actions don't make any sense in terms of saving your life either.

[bumddha]

The accusations of Fear RP can be just, but in the situation as stated by Dezzy (@GOAT) we had Tac in our ears blaring. I personally heard no demands from anyone, but saw people talking. It may have been a cut out at a bad time or what not. I was not aware of anyone behind me as I do not have eyes in the back of my head. I believe, and I may be wrong, my gun was out due to the amount of people in the area. If not, then regardless it was out to shoot at those aiming at Dezzy. The one's aiming at Dezzy were the only ones I saw, I did NOT see anyone aiming at me from my eyes. That is why this post shocks me and has me a bit frustrated.

[alexalex303]

Hello and thank you for making the report @DetectiveStone,

I apologize for the delayed decision, Moderator Donovan is currently on a leave of absence, therefore I have teamed up with @Rodiz for the conclusion of the report, and after careful deliberation, we have come to the following conclusion:

Player ID 209 - Dezzy_Bala - @GOAT will be issued NonRP #1 for his breach of Fear Roleplay during this scenario. The player turned around and started walking away from a player that was aiming a shotgun at close range, and that made other demands. The fact that your faction uses external programs for in-character communications is a voluntary choice, and those communication channels should never be disrupting to the point where in-game communications can not be heard, nor should such an occurrence warrant special exemption from the server rules. 

Player ID 209 - Dezzy_Bala - @GOAT is also hereby verbally warned following his comments during the processing of this report. We came very close to issuing a punishment for your conduct, and I can not stress it enough that it is not acceptable. You are entitled to your opinion about factions and people, however the way you chose to express it, and the environment in which you chose to express it is very wrong. If you have any issues with the conduct of (official) factions, I invite you to contact the faction management team, and should you have any issues regarding LSPD members and their playing habits, I encourage you to contact LSPD Leadership. 

Player ID 109 - Noah_Shriver - @bumddha did not breach Fear Roleplay rules during the scenario. He was in limited cover behind the cruiser's trunk, and the second attacker that was to flank him from behind did not yet unholster her firearm. This may have been caused by the fact that the other reported party failed to roleplay fear, which caused the attacker with the shotgun to spend an unnecessarily long amount of time trying to subdue him, however, the ruling is based on what happened, not what could've happened. 

Sincerely,

alexalex303 and @Rodiz