Nicolas0327! Posted September 15, 2019 Report Share Posted September 15, 2019 Player(s) being reported: ID 58 Date of interaction reported: 14/09/2019 Unix time stamp from HUD: 1568474249 Your characters name: Richard Strokah Other player(s) involved: Just the guy I am reporting Specific rule(s) broken: . Deathmatch (DM) Deathmatching is the act of attacking a player or their property without a proper roleplay reason. Examples of valid reasons to attack another player: • If they attempt to arrest or hurt you, an ally, or damage your property. • If they report you to the police for a serious crime. • If they are not in compliance with demands, attempt to escape, or call other players for help in a situation where they are required to display fear under fear roleplay rules. A player cannot kill their victim if the victim is in compliance with the demands. A player must allow their victim enough time to comply with the demands. If a player informs you that your VOIP isn’t working, you must either fix your VOIP using appropriate commands or use text to deliver your demand(s). Vehicles cannot be used to attack another player more than once including a failed attempt. Attacking another player with no engagement in roleplay is not allowed. Killing a player that has obeyed all orders and demands during a roleplay situation is allowed, with roleplay, only within 3 hours of: Severe hostile or criminal action is taken against you, e.g. someone is robbing you at gunpoint. (Excluding police aiming a gun at you.) Someone is attempting to take your life. Someone is attempting to take the life of your close friend or ally, or if you have witnessed it happen. You must explain your reason to kill to the player IC and have OOC evidence proving your reason. How did the player break the rule(s)? So I rolled up to the maze loan offices, and see a man dressed in red on a red bike. I have never seen him before and I am immediately on guard. He rolls up, gets off his bike and pulls his gun out. I do the same. Then he starts aiming at me, and I do the same. I am trying to talk to him this whole time, but he keep in mind, he is not saying a single thing. Then without any RP or interaction he just fires at me and kills me. Keep in mind I have never seen this guy before, or have any RP run ins with him prior to this encounter. Evidence of rule breach: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVFgNt7H3_4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuz Posted September 15, 2019 Report Share Posted September 15, 2019 (edited) Hello, ID 58 (Dexter_Mahone) here. Unsure where you think I DM'd you. I get off my bike, aim my gun at you (you do the same) and gave you demands (ID turned green). We both went for our gun at the same time, I was facing you when you aimed a gun at me. You were a threat to my life so I put you down after telling you to put your hands up. Examples of valid reasons to attack another player: • If they attempt to arrest or hurt you, an ally, or damage your property. Also, interesting to see that once downed, you have the ability to radio out to your crew that you are in need of assistance, moments before dying. In my eyes this is a clear breach of Fear RP as you are basically calling for backup with a gun aimed at you. As a victim, whose life is in direct danger: • You must display reasonable value for your life and comply with the demands of your attacker. • You cannot call 911 or call your friends or allies to aid you. I will only respond to the staff member dealing with this report. Any questions, let me know, thanks! Edited September 15, 2019 by Fuz 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicolas0327! Posted September 15, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2019 5 hours ago, Fuz said: Hello, ID 58 (Dexter_Mahone) here. Unsure where you think I DM'd you. I get off my bike, aim my gun at you (you do the same) and gave you demands (ID turned green). We both went for our gun at the same time, I was facing you when you aimed a gun at me. You were a threat to my life so I put you down after telling you to put your hands up. Examples of valid reasons to attack another player: • If they attempt to arrest or hurt you, an ally, or damage your property. Also, interesting to see that once downed, you have the ability to radio out to your crew that you are in need of assistance, moments before dying. In my eyes this is a clear breach of Fear RP as you are basically calling for backup with a gun aimed at you. As a victim, whose life is in direct danger: • You must display reasonable value for your life and comply with the demands of your attacker. • You cannot call 911 or call your friends or allies to aid you. I will only respond to the staff member dealing with this report. Any questions, let me know, thanks! I dont think at all that it was fear rp as there were no demands given, and this situation is not even remotely close to fear rp. You can clearly see that throughout this entire thing start to finish, there was no "demands" or communication on your part what-so-ever. Unless you have video of you saying "Hands up" I dont believe it as you lit up for a millisecond. I just dont think you should be able to walk up to someone with a gun, and then just shoot them with no interaction at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dqniel Posted September 16, 2019 Report Share Posted September 16, 2019 Hello, and thank you for making this player report! @Nicolas0327! First and foremost, player Richard_Strokah | @Nicolas0327! will receive 24 hours to provide his side of the story and explain the reasoning for his actions which can be seen in the provided evidence above. Please provide a more in-depth explanation of why you decided to utilize your radio to call for backup all while the reporting party had placed you under direct gunpoint at close range. In addition to being tagged on the forums, you will be notified of this report in-game. Secondly, as player Dexter_Mahone | @Fuz has already responded with his side of the story and explained the reasoning for his actions which can be seen in the provided evidence above, his explanation surrounding this incident will not be required. However, i would like to ask if you have any recording displaying your point of view during this situation? In addition to being tagged on the forums, you will be notified of this report in-game. Looking forward to your responses! Kind regards, Dqniel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuz Posted September 16, 2019 Report Share Posted September 16, 2019 (edited) Hi @Dqniel and thanks for tagging me. Below is my POV. It is clearly evident that I shouted demands. I also do believe that the reporting party pulled a gun on me regardless, which I am allowed to open fire on him to protect my life. I would like to refer to a report which mirrors this report. Here is the outcome of that report: Report in question: Thanks once again and let me know if anything else is needed on my end! Edited September 16, 2019 by Fuz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicolas0327! Posted September 16, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Dqniel said: Hello, and thank you for making this player report! @Nicolas0327! First and foremost, player Richard_Strokah | @Nicolas0327! will receive 24 hours to provide his side of the story and explain the reasoning for his actions which can be seen in the provided evidence above. Please provide a more in-depth explanation of why you decided to utilize your radio to call for backup all while the reporting party had placed you under direct gunpoint at close range. In addition to being tagged on the forums, you will be notified of this report in-game. Secondly, as player Dexter_Mahone | @Fuz has already responded with his side of the story and explained the reasoning for his actions which can be seen in the provided evidence above, his explanation surrounding this incident will not be required. However, i would like to ask if you have any recording displaying your point of view during this situation? In addition to being tagged on the forums, you will be notified of this report in-game. Looking forward to your responses! Kind regards, Dqniel I used my radio because I was down and have seen multiple people do that before. There were no demands given to me to not use my radio. Also, when we become injured we are allowed to use our phones to call for help, so I figured why not a radio. Even in his video, I cant hear him making any demands or saying not to use my phone or radio. So I used my radio because I didnt feel like I was under fear rp at all. Like I said, you can watch my video, and his and there was no talking on his end. None at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicolas0327! Posted September 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 Also, I would like to have this report closed as I was iffy on it being DM anyways, and after looking at his response and the report he mentioned, hes made me think it wasnt DM after all. As for his mic not working, that was just an unfortunate thing that happened. No harm no foul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dqniel Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 Hello, and thank you to everyone who responded with their side of the story and explained the reasoning for their actions which can be seen in the provided evidence above. After extensively reviewing the provided evidence as well as taking the statements of all parties involved into consideration, i have decided to conclude this report. Player Richard_Strokah will receive a Non-Roleplay punishment for breaching the Fear Roleplay rules | Offense #1. Player Dexter_Mahone will receive no punishment(s). First and foremost, i would like to address the Non-Roleplay punishment and the reasoning behind it. In the provided evidence of this report, it can be seen that you are gunned down and placed in an injured state in connection to an ongoing gunfight between you and the reported party, Dexter_Mahone. Shortly after being shot down and injured, you utilize your radio to call for backup all while the reporting party had placed you under direct gunpoint at close range. As a result of this, you are ultimately finished off and killed. The issue that arises with this situation is that your actions are in violation of our Fear Roleplay rules based on these following point(s). If you are placed under direct gunpoint at close range, which essentially means that you are in a vulnerable and life threatening situation, you are expected to display an adequate and realistic amount of fear for the life of your character and not only follow every demand given to you as one instinctively would do in real life, but also not perform any actions that could jeopardize the life of your character. Utilizing your radio to call for backup is not showing a considerable and adequate amount of fear for the life of your character, and if anything by calling for backup while your attacker is standing inches away you subsequently force him to end your life whereas the possibility of you coming out this situation had you not called for backup could have happened. It should not matter if the reporting party told you not to use your radio in this situation, as the act of being held at gunpoint speaks for itself. The fear roleplay rules makes it amply clear that when placed under gunpoint, your life is in direct danger and while your life is in direct danger you may not call 911 or call your friends and or allies to aid you. While you are correct in the fact that players are able to use their phones and radio when injured to call for assistance, circumstance and context is key in these types of situations - players can not call for assistance when their life is in direct danger as per the rulebook. It is of my belief that your first instinct while under direct danger should not be to disregard that fact entirely and begin utilizing your radio to call for backup, but rather not perform any actions that would warrant yourself being attacked and or killed. I understand and acknowledge your desire of not wanting to pursue this report anymore, but it is incredibly important to remember that as a player you do not have the ability to close, lock or archive a report on your own - it would be up to the staff member handling the report to do so. The aim of this conclusion is not to punish you in any way, but more so educate you on how to appropriately respond to a similar situation should you be faced with one in the future. The punishment you received is not severe at all, and if anything it is a chance for you to learn from your mistake, hence the warning. Granted you continue roleplaying with good standards and avoid getting yourself into any similar situations, this warning will not hold you back in any way. Secondly, i would like to address the lack of punishment for player Dexter_Mahone and the reasoning behind it. As stated earlier, it should come as no surprise that this was the final outcome of this situation as your intentions were clear. You aimed a weapon at the reported party, posing a direct and clear threat towards him and his life. This would warrant the reported party who at the time had an equipped weapon and was faced towards you, to begin shooting. This is not the typical run of the mill situation where a player is gunned down with no roleplay engagement whatsoever - the both of you willingly and knowingly inserted yourself into the situation by aiming guns at one another, and it should come as no surprise that one of you got gunned down and injured as a result of that. With that being said, the claim of player Dexter_Mahone deathmatching will be rejected. Thank you for making this report! @Nicolas0327! Report is rejected and archived. Kind regards, Dqniel. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
