ID 163 - stalling rp ID 5 - NRP

[rockchuck]

Player(s) being reported: ID 163 and ID 5
Date of interaction reported: 9/7/2019
Unix time stamp from HUD: 1567833001

Your characters name: Chuck Derda

Other player(s) involved: 

Specific rule(s) broken:

8. Non-Roleplay (NRP)

• Actions that are unrealistic or promote poor quality roleplay are considered as non-roleplay.

• Examples of actions that are considered as non-roleplay:

• Cop Baiting - Provoking a reaction from emergency services without a realistic reason.

• Mercy Killing - Asking to be killed by a friend (Killing a friend falls under deathmatching).

• Unrealistic stunt jumping or the use of an expensive vehicle to ram into other vehicles.

• Spawning a scripted work vehicle and using it for crimes or submerging any vehicle in water.

• Swimming in water for an unrealistic amount of time or without a destination during a chase.

• Players who disconnect during roleplay must reconnect and inform other parties in order to resume roleplay. If you are unable to reconnect it may be excused after providing proof.

• In a situation where a player gets away from an incident where they're being chased/pursued, they must wait 15 minutes before they can logout. Players should not instigate roleplay situations if they do not have time to play it through. 

• Players who ignore answering roleplay commands directed at them, e.g. /do.

• In a situation where a player’s game crashes or the player is kicked from the server, they should be allowed to have the same advantages as they have had before their leave.

 

 

How did the player break the rule(s)?

I chased and held up ID 163. he knows very well how to do a simple /do yes. there is no point in arguing that. he was stalling to buy time for his boys to get there. After i run off, ID 5 rams my bike with his comet on purpose.

Evidence of rule breach:

https://plays.tv/video/5d733e5acf5f0a7d5c/here

[Shanesshaner]

Woh Woh Woh. Wait a second. This was me and I wasn't trying to stall at all I was flustered. This is my first time playing anything with RPing. And you have made it at an absolute nightmare. YOU have SERIOUSLY made it to were at least 4 people I know don't even want to play anymore. How about this, I streamed almost everyday that I've played. And RIGHT after my "New player" status disappears. You started robbing me every time you see me (3 times)? I ACTUALLY had 5036xp when you robbed me the first time. I didn't stream for 2 days. The first day I didn't stream I got robbed too. BUT I was with Zate, who was streaming at the time. The second day I didn't stream I didn't hang out with Zate at all. And ran around the same places i usually run around. And didn't get Robbed? MY question is, WHY ARE YOU STREAM SNIPING???

[Shanesshaner]

I'll put my clip in here too.

[rockchuck]

27 minutes ago, Shanesshaner said:

Woh Woh Woh. Wait a second. This was me and I wasn't trying to stall at all I was flustered. This is my first time playing anything with RPing. And you have made it at an absolute nightmare. YOU have SERIOUSLY made it to were at least 4 people I know don't even want to play anymore. How about this, I streamed almost everyday that I've played. And RIGHT after my "New player" status disappears. You started robbing me every time you see me (3 times)? I ACTUALLY had 5036xp when you robbed me the first time. I didn't stream for 2 days. The first day I didn't stream I got robbed too. BUT I was with Zate, who was streaming at the time. The second day I didn't stream I didn't hang out with Zate at all. And ran around the same places i usually run around. And didn't get Robbed? MY question is, WHY ARE YOU STREAM SNIPING???

this is a report against you. not me. I AM NOT stream sniping you or anyone else, i simply like to target your little "gang" IC. you provide a one line response to the actual report and "I was flustered" is a really stupid excuse. I will not respond any more unless requested by staff, but i know damn well that you saw my /do's, and that it must just be a crazy coincidence that you finally managed to type a simple /do yes right when you saw your friends.

 

As for your allegations of stream sniping, as i said before you and i know very well that staff has been informed of these accusations and i have provided evidence to the staff that proves my innocence. if that doesnt reassure you, know that staff is watching me randomly when i am in game to make sure i am not SSing. By the way, I dont know what you mean when you say you had 5036xp at the time. you lose your new player status at 1,000xp.

Edited September 9, 2019 by rockchuck

[Shanesshaner]

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Edited September 9, 2019 by Shanesshaner

[Shanesshaner]

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Edited September 9, 2019 by Shanesshaner
needed to add more

[Dqniel]

Hello, and thank you for making this player report! @rockchuck

First and foremost, player Shane_Mortson | @Shanesshaner | ID 163 will receive 24 hours to provide his side of the story and explain the reasoning for his actions which can be seen in the provided evidence above. Can you please provide a more in depth explanation of why it took so long to provide a seemingly simple roleplaying reasponse to the reporting party when you were given multiple opportunities to do so? Furthermore, you mentioned having a clip displaying your side of the story, please provide said clip in your response. In addition to being tagged on the forums, you will be notified of this report in-game. 

Secondly, player Jahseh_Cambran | ID 5 will receive 24 hours to provide his side of the story and explain the reasoning for his actions which can be seen in the provided evidence above. Can you please explain as to why you rammed in to the vehicle of the reporting party with full force from behind? As you do not have a forum account you will be notified of this report in-game. 

Kind regards,

Dqniel

[sarD1ne]

8 hours ago, Dqniel said:

Hello, and thank you for making this player report! @rockchuck

First and foremost, player Shane_Mortson | @Shanesshaner | ID 163 will receive 24 hours to provide his side of the story and explain the reasoning for his actions which can be seen in the provided evidence above. Can you please provide a more in depth explanation of why it took so long to provide a seemingly simple roleplaying reasponse to the reporting party when you were given multiple opportunities to do so? Furthermore, you mentioned having a clip displaying your side of the story, please provide said clip in your response. In addition to being tagged on the forums, you will be notified of this report in-game. 

Secondly, player Jahseh_Cambran | ID 5 will receive 24 hours to provide his side of the story and explain the reasoning for his actions which can be seen in the provided evidence above. Can you please explain as to why you rammed in to the vehicle of the reporting party with full force from behind? As you do not have a forum account you will be notified of this report in-game. 

Kind regards,

Dqniel

Btw, this account should be linked to ID 5, I'm unsure why it isn't. There are actual 3 reasons as to why I engaged in such behavior. 

1. RP. The idea was to chase the individual who had been consistently targeting the group that I was friends with. When he began robbing 168, I made a decision to try and talk to him (which the people he was consistently hunting for have done), knowing this IC, and hearing IC that they had tried to speak with him regarding a reprieve from this targeted harassment, I chose a way that it was possible for that group to be in control of the situation - this was to be achieved through the ramming of the car as it, in my character's opinion, should have knocked him off the bike and allowed the group to surround him thus putting them in a position of power where he couldn't run away.

2. Baiting. As seen on both Zate Feto's stream, and Shaneshaner's stream, and through their own recollections when engaged with Chuck Derda (CD) , its apparent he is actively trying to be inflammatory to said group and thus, having both as friends IC, and both having told me previously about interactions with CD, my character decided instantaneously that he would allow them (Zate and the group) the possibility of speaking to him in a preferred position. [I've included this as, while it may not be specific to this server, other servers have this as a rule to prevent characters/players like CD actively targeting and ruining the experience of others through harassment].

3. This moves into my final reason: NRP (as stated by CD). 

8. Non-Roleplay (NRP)

• Actions that are unrealistic or promote poor quality roleplay are considered as non-roleplay.

• Examples of actions that are considered as non-roleplay:

• Cop Baiting - Provoking a reaction from emergency services without a realistic reason.

• Mercy Killing - Asking to be killed by a friend (Killing a friend falls under deathmatching).

• Unrealistic stunt jumping or the use of an expensive vehicle to ram into other vehicles.

• Spawning a scripted work vehicle and using it for crimes or submerging any vehicle in water.

• Swimming in water for an unrealistic amount of time or without a destination during a chase.

• Players who disconnect during roleplay must reconnect and inform other parties in order to resume roleplay. If you are unable to reconnect it may be excused after providing proof.

• In a situation where a player gets away from an incident where they're being chased/pursued, they must wait 15 minutes before they can logout. Players should not instigate roleplay situations if they do not have time to play it through. 

• Players who ignore answering roleplay commands directed at them, e.g. /do.

• In a situation where a player’s game crashes or the player is kicked from the server, they should be allowed to have the same advantages as they have had before their leave.

The ramming of a car into another vehicle should be excused due to the reasons above but also because of the actions that have been happening from CD. Once his actions happened on a frequent basis, it is safe to assume that any character would be out for blood, especially if you hear about the robberies that have been a frequent occurrence. While my character choice may have acted poorly, it was all entirely IC and as such, any additional interactions with CD may go the same way due to the vendetta he seems to have against the group - I'd also like to know the reasoning of this targeting, if that is possible, as if it hasn't happened before, on a large basis, then doesn't this simply show a targeted harassment for those who have streamed, especially since the group in question was and is relatively new to the server and haven't had any bad interactions with CD. 

[Shanesshaner]

First off I want to apologize for not having the clip in this same scenario.

What I do have is a clip of me failing miserably at simple RP commands, while receiving medical attention because said accuser ran me over with his bike: 

Since his evidence I have went back over and familiarized myself with all the simplest RP commands, so when said accuser robs me again I know what to do.

Here is another video of me lying to the police to keep said accuser from getting arrested for attempting to rob me because I thought I might get banned for failing miserably at the simplest RP commands: 

 

This was from the same day of said accusers clip. This isn't going to happen again. And again I'm sorry. I hope you guys can overlook this incident because I'm new to the RP scene.

 

Edited September 11, 2019 by Shanesshaner
The videos

[rockchuck]

1 hour ago, sarD1ne said:

 

1. RP. The idea was to chase the individual who had been consistently targeting the group that I was friends with. When he began robbing 168, I made a decision to try and talk to him (which the people he was consistently hunting for have done), knowing this IC, and hearing IC that they had tried to speak with him regarding a reprieve from this targeted harassment, I chose a way that it was possible for that group to be in control of the situation - this was to be achieved through the ramming of the car as it, in my character's opinion, should have knocked him off the bike and allowed the group to surround him thus putting them in a position of power where he couldn't run away.

2. Baiting. As seen on both Zate Feto's stream, and Shaneshaner's stream, and through their own recollections when engaged with Chuck Derda (CD) , its apparent he is actively trying to be inflammatory to said group and thus, having both as friends IC, and both having told me previously about interactions with CD, my character decided instantaneously that he would allow them (Zate and the group) the possibility of speaking to him in a preferred position. [I've included this as, while it may not be specific to this server, other servers have this as a rule to prevent characters/players like CD actively targeting and ruining the experience of others through harassment].

 

 

1 hour ago, sarD1ne said:

While my character choice may have acted poorly, it was all entirely IC and as such, any additional interactions with CD may go the same way due to the vendetta he seems to have against the group - I'd also like to know the reasoning of this targeting, if that is possible, as if it hasn't happened before, on a large basis, then doesn't this simply show a targeted harassment for those who have streamed, especially since the group in question was and is relatively new to the server and haven't had any bad interactions with CD. 

Yeah i know i said i wasn't going to reply again but this is too good. These reasons you have are stating that because of IC situations, you felt it was okay to break the rules of the server. So don't worry, if you see me next time, you should probably just shoot me on site because you know I'm going to rob you, right? who cares about the DM rules, you have IC reason! 

As far as i am aware, I am allowed to harass/rob you as much as i want IC. 

 

And since you guys don't seem to understand why I target you IC, let me list off a few reasons -

• The first day i came back on the server in like a month, I went up to rob people at my usual spots. It so happened that a few of You guys were there! I proceeded to kill both of you due to the fact that you were chatting a ton of shit and breaking fear rp in the process.
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• Those who know chuck derda know that he is a very petty motherfucker, and holds big grudges against people that do him wrong in the slightest. Since I had been gone for about a month, I had no big enemies at the time. Unfortunately for you all, I decided that all that shit talking was enough to make you my new enemies. 
• Extremely shit at shooting - I always get free guns out of the interactions
• Multiple times at bank your group has thought it a good idea to continue to chat shit, as if it is going to make the grudge I hold better.

 

This is my last post fr fr 

[sarD1ne]

11 minutes ago, rockchuck said:

 

Yeah i know i said i wasn't going to reply again but this is too good. These reasons you have are stating that because of IC situations, you felt it was okay to break the rules of the server. So don't worry, if you see me next time, you should probably just shoot me on site because you know I'm going to rob you, right? who cares about the DM rules, you have IC reason! 

As far as i am aware, I am allowed to harass/rob you as much as i want IC. 

 

And since you guys don't seem to understand why I target you IC, let me list off a few reasons -

• The first day i came back on the server in like a month, I went up to rob people at my usual spots. It so happened that a few of You guys were there! I proceeded to kill both of you due to the fact that you were chatting a ton of shit and breaking fear rp in the process.
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• Those who know chuck derda know that he is a very petty motherfucker, and holds big grudges against people that do him wrong in the slightest. Since I had been gone for about a month, I had no big enemies at the time. Unfortunately for you all, I decided that all that shit talking was enough to make you my new enemies. 
• Extremely shit at shooting - I always get free guns out of the interactions
• Multiple times at bank your group has thought it a good idea to continue to chat shit, as if it is going to make the grudge I hold better.

 

This is my last post fr fr 

You do realize that, I'm not going looking for you? I'm not actively trying to hit you off a bike or anything when I see you because I don't care about you. In this specific interaction, IC, it is justified to go after someone who was robbing someone I know and saw, you initiated the RP, stop crying now because it didn't go how you wanted. 

>As far as i am aware, I am allowed to harass/rob you as much as i want IC. 

as i said, you initiated RP, i hit you once, i didn't do it without reason (IC reason for that matter). 

>The first day i came back on the server in like a month, I went up to rob people at my usual spots. It so happened that a few of You guys were there! I proceeded to kill both of you due to the fact that you were chatting a ton of shit and breaking fear rp in the process.

Oh, wait, please post the video of that. You didn't kill the guy standing in front of you, and you knocked me down, but a medic saved me. Are you going to CONVENIENTLY not have the video which shows you combat logging? Oh, now, wouldn't that be hilarious. 

This whole report just seems kinda salty that you didn't get the robbery off quickly and are trying to victimise yourself as an offset to the harassment people have accused you of but you do you, when multiple unaffiliated people have come across reporting you, that speaks volumes,i ceeb to respond to this anymore, gl with the case, will only respond to the admin.

[rockchuck]

14 minutes ago, sarD1ne said:

You do realize that, I'm not going looking for you? I'm not actively trying to hit you off a bike or anything when I see you because I don't care about you. In this specific interaction, IC, it is justified to go after someone who was robbing someone I know and saw, you initiated the RP, stop crying now because it didn't go how you wanted. 

You don't seem to understand the rule. You are allowed to hit someone when they are on foot, but it is strictly against the rules to ram someone's car / bike in an expensive car, aka the comet you were driving.

[Dqniel]

Hello, and thank you to everyone who responded with their side of the story and explained the reasoning for their actions which can be seen in the provided evidence above. After extensively reviewing the provided evidence as well as taking the statements of all parties involved into consideration, i have decided to conclude this report.

Player Shane_Mortson will receive a Non-Roleplay punishment for stalling roleplay | Offense #1.

Player Jahseh_Cambran will receive a Non-Roleplay punishment for utilizing an expensive vehicle to ram | Offense #1.

First and foremost, i would like to address the punishment of Shane_Mortson and the reasoning behind it. The issue that arises with this situation is that your actions are not in accordance with our Non-Roleplay rules. As much as i would like to give all players the benefit of the doubt, i find it far too convenient for you to submit your roleplaying response at the exact moment of your friend(s) arriving at the scene, especially when you were given multiple opportunities to respond and even received further guidance through out of character means on how to appropriately proceed with the roleplay. I fully acknowledge that you are a relatively new player and as such you are still adapting and familiarizing yourself with the server and its rules, but i find it incredibly hard that a player such as yourself, who has surpassed the five thousand (5000) experience mark has done so without engaging or using a single /me or /do resulting in not knowing how to put these roleplaying commands into practice.

These roleplaying commands are essential in knowing for when it comes to playing on this server, and taking into consideration the amount of experience you have and the fact that you successfully passed the Eclipse Roleplay quiz these roleplaying commands are things you should know and have no issues whatsoever putting into practice. It is ultimately your responsibility the moment you play on the server to be knowledgeable enough about the rules and commands to make the roleplaying experience not only for you, but for other players a better one. With that being said, i appreciate you assuring me that this an isolated incident and that you have taken steps as to ensure that this will not repeat itself in the future. The punishment you received is not severe at all, and if anything it is a chance for you to learn from your mistake, hence the warning. Granted you continue roleplaying with good standards and avoid getting yourself into any similar situations, this warning will not hold you back in any way.

Secondly, i would like to address the punishment of Jahseh_Cambran and the reasoning behind it. The issue that arises with this situation is that your actions are not in accordance with our Non-Roleplay rules. It is understandable that you were under the impression that your actions were strictly in character and was considered an appropriate response to the actions of the reporting party, however server rules and more importantly, violation(s) of said server rules are not excused or disregarded simply because you have a multitude of in character reasons. The Eclipse Roleplay staff team as well as rulebook has made it amply clear that utilizing your expensive and valuable vehicle to ram another vehicle is not tolerable, regardless of the circumstances or reasons for doing so. There are multiple ways of stopping a vehicle, and using your expensive and valuable vehicle to ram is definitely one of the incorrect ways of doing it. It is incredibly important to remember that we have to stay within the confines of the server rules, regardless of how justified or seemingly realistic our actions are considered to be. Please take this punishment as an opportunity to reflect on your actions, and making sure that moving forward you do so in a way where this is not repeated.

Thirdly, this is directed to the reporting party. If you attempt to roleplay searching someone through the use of roleplay, then i sincerely encourage you to do so properly and realistically and not as depicted in the provided evidence above. You moving several inches away, being faced away from Shane_Mortson and aiming your weapon with your two hands while simultaneously attempting to search the pockets of Shane_Mortson is far from ideal and is definitely not the type of roleplay i want to see between players. Please take this into consideration for future reference.

Thank you for making this report! @rockchuck

Report is accepted and archived.

Kind regards,

Dqniel.