Alex Keller (NONRP, DM)

[GabeWad]

 

Player(s) being reported: Alex Keller
Date of interaction reported: 9/5/19
Unix time stamp from HUD:1567729619

characters name: Brian Kwang

Other player(s) involved: Jason Steele and many others

Specific rule(s) broken:

8. Non-Roleplay (NRP)

• Actions that are unrealistic or promote poor quality roleplay are considered as non-roleplay.
• Examples of actions that are considered as non-roleplay:

• Cop Baiting - Provoking a reaction from emergency services without a realistic reason.

• Mercy Killing - Asking to be killed by a friend (Killing a friend falls under deathmatching).

• Unrealistic stunt jumping or the use of an expensive vehicle to ram into other vehicles.

• Spawning a scripted work vehicle and using it for crimes or submerging any vehicle in water.

• Swimming in water for an unrealistic amount of time or without a destination during a chase.

• Players who disconnect during roleplay must reconnect and inform other parties in order to resume roleplay. If you are unable to reconnect it may be excused after providing proof.
• In a situation where a player gets away from an incident where they're being chased/pursued, they must wait 15 minutes before they can logout. Players should not instigate roleplay situations if they do not have time to play it through.
• Players who ignore answering roleplay commands directed at them, e.g. /do.
• In a situation where a player’s game crashes or the player is kicked from the server, they should be allowed to have the same advantages as they have had before their leave.

14. Deathmatch (DM)

• Deathmatching is the act of attacking a player or their property without a proper roleplay reason.
• Examples of valid reasons to attack another player:

• If they attempt to arrest or hurt you, an ally, or damage your property.

• If they report you to the police for a serious crime.

• If they are not in compliance with demands, attempt to escape, or call other players for help in a situation where they are required to display fear under fear roleplay rules.

• A player cannot kill their victim if the victim is in compliance with the demands.
• A player must allow their victim enough time to comply with the demands.
• If a player informs you that your VOIP isn’t working, you must either fix your VOIP using appropriate commands or use text to deliver your demand(s).
• Vehicles cannot be used to attack another player more than once including a failed attempt.
• Attacking another player with no engagement in roleplay is not allowed.
• Killing a player that has obeyed all orders and demands during a roleplay situation is allowed, with roleplay, only within 3 hours of:

1.  Severe hostile or criminal action is taken against you, e.g. someone is robbing you at gunpoint. (Excluding police aiming a gun at you.)
2.   Someone is attempting to take your life.
3.   Someone is attempting to take the life of your close friend or ally, or if you have witnessed it happen.

• You must explain your reason to kill to the player IC and have OOC evidence proving your reason.

How did the player break the rule(s)?:

In the evidence shown below I realised I was being pursued by Law enforcement. I begin to slow down for the cruiser and ended up being tased off my bike with no demands while I was pulling over. 

As per the Nonrp its is very unrealistic to shoot a taser out of a moving car. Wind and the speed of the car would have major interference on the effectiveness of the taser, especially if Alex Keller did not rp leaning out of his window to take the shot with a  /me.

Evidence of rule breach:

Apologize for the extra audio as I was watching a YouTube video on my second monitor.

Edited September 6, 2019 by GabeWad

[alexalex303]

Hello.

Can you please post a longer video showing the entire interaction that happened at the zetas store?

You have failed to explain how any of the rules were broken, you just lie about what happened in the video. You slow down to speak after Nova says that we are coming after you, and you look behind you, see a police cruiser with lights and sirens pointing at you, then you start accelerating away (evading) from us again. 0:14 -> 0:15. That's when you get tazed.

Tazing someone is not DM. reference: https://forum.eclipse-rp.net/topic/24940-id-204-deathmatch/?do=findComment&comment=126010

Tazing someone off a bike is not NonRP. reference: https://forum.eclipse-rp.net/topic/19690-rightsharkie-alex-keller-non-rp-1-appeal/?do=findComment&comment=98233

Edited September 6, 2019 by alexalex303

[GabeWad]

Hello Jason thanks for replying, you were the driver but you're not being reported here. Alex Keller did not give me enough time to comply to his ONLY demand, a short instance of flashing lights. He tased me prematurely, on an assumption that I was evading. This promotes poor RP between criminals and law enforcement, as it is one sided and only ends up with me going to jail. I'd like to reference this report.

When Paulo shot his bike with 0 demands it was classed as DM. It was forceful RP that could only end one way, jail. PD should follow the server rules regarding a proper engagement in RP before  attacking other players like Alex Keller did. He had insufficient  RP reason to tase me as quickly as he did.

Regarding this screenshot, Firstly: "We Tried to pull him over, he then ran around the corner" A lie. I was behind the cruiser at the store, there was no initiation of a stop. I drove off and that is when they initiated a stop. I slowed down and realized the situation, as I was leaving the intersection I was tased. Why in the world would I slow down to let you catch up if my intent was to evade? I simply sped up to avoid being side swiped by oncoming traffic at that intersection. I got tased on the ASSUMPTION that I was evading, which is poor RP ans sets a dangerous precedent. A longer clip of the video will be provided shortly.

 

 

 

[alexalex303]

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I slowed down and realized the situation, as I was leaving the intersection I was tased. Why in the world would I slow down to let you catch up if my intent was to evade? I simply sped up to avoid being side swiped by oncoming traffic at that intersection. I got tased on the ASSUMPTION that I was evading, which is poor RP ans sets a dangerous precedent. A longer clip of the video will be provided shortly.

You were speeding away from us when you got tazed. Would you like us to let you get away, and then only take actions to stop you on the second pursuit? That seems to be the precedent that you're asking for here.

The fact that you would use imaginary traffic as a reason for you to speed away from a cruiser pulling you over is quite interesting. Throughout the whole video you posted, not a single car is seeing driving past.

Edited September 6, 2019 by alexalex303

[GabeWad]

"Speeding away" is a premature assumption. I was in the middle of the intersection. I had made a conscious choice to stop my bike. "Pursuit"? I had not evaded one bit. You initiated a stop and I was pulling over to the side. At no point was there a "Pursuit" whatsoever. I will be refraining from replying to you, as you are not the party in question being reported.

Edited September 6, 2019 by GabeWad

[GabeWad]

Above is a extended clip, again please excuse the background noise.

[MEGN]

After discussing this report with @Serthon we have come to the following conclusion; 

As linked above this is not the first time a report like this has been created. 

 

This was an IC response to an IC problem. Being tased doesn't really cause any "damage", and if you want to continue with the issue ICLY, please feel free to utilize the IA system PD has. 

Report Denied 

Locked & Archived.

Edited September 10, 2019 by Meggs_56