ID 156, 89 (DM, PG, NRP)

[Revelt]

Player(s) being reported: ID 156, and ID 89
Date of interaction reported: 3/09/2019
Unix time stamp from HUD: 1567531839

Your characters name: Revelt DeOrtiz

Other player(s) involved: Xan Castro, Josh

Specific rule(s) broken:

 8. Non-Roleplay (NRP)

• Actions that are unrealistic or promote poor quality roleplay are considered as non-roleplay.

• Examples of actions that are considered as non-roleplay:

• Cop Baiting - Provoking a reaction from emergency services without a realistic reason.

• Mercy Killing - Asking to be killed by a friend (Killing a friend falls under deathmatching).

• Unrealistic stunt jumping or the use of an expensive vehicle to ram into other vehicles.

• Spawning a scripted work vehicle and using it for crimes or submerging any vehicle in water.

• Swimming in water for an unrealistic amount of time or without a destination during a chase.

• Players who disconnect during roleplay must reconnect and inform other parties in order to resume roleplay. If you are unable to reconnect it may be excused after providing proof.

• In a situation where a player gets away from an incident where they're being chased/pursued, they must wait 15 minutes before they can logout. Players should not instigate roleplay situations if they do not have time to play it through. 

• Players who ignore answering roleplay commands directed at them, e.g. /do.

• In a situation where a player’s game crashes or the player is kicked from the server, they should be allowed to have the same advantages as they have had before their leave.

14. Deathmatch (DM)

• Deathmatching is the act of attacking a player or their property without a proper roleplay reason.

• Examples of valid reasons to attack another player:

• If they attempt to arrest or hurt you, an ally, or damage your property.

• If they report you to the police for a serious crime.

• If they are not in compliance with demands, attempt to escape, or call other players for help in a situation where they are required to display fear under fear roleplay rules.

• A player cannot kill their victim if the victim is in compliance with the demands.

• A player must allow their victim enough time to comply with the demands.

• If a player informs you that your VOIP isn’t working, you must either fix your VOIP using appropriate commands or use text to deliver your demand(s).

• Vehicles cannot be used to attack another player more than once including a failed attempt.

• Attacking another player with no engagement in roleplay is not allowed.

• Killing a player that has obeyed all orders and demands during a roleplay situation is allowed, with roleplay, only within 3 hours of:

  1.  Severe hostile or criminal action is taken against you, e.g. someone is robbing you at gunpoint. (Excluding police aiming a gun at you.)

  2.   Someone is attempting to take your life.

  3.   Someone is attempting to take the life of your close friend or ally, or if you have witnessed it happen.

• You must explain your reason to kill to the player IC and have OOC evidence proving your reason.

 

10. Powergaming (PG)

• Forceful roleplay that does not give the other player a chance to roleplay their own response is considered powergaming. Other players must be given a chance to roleplay outcomes of actions.

• Roleplay of unrealistic actions like super strength is another form of powergaming.

• All statements in /DO must be factually true in the roleplay as it sets grounds for roleplay.

• Roleplay is required before forceful server commands which may be used without consent from the other party if they are unresponsive and not typing for 30 seconds or more. 

• A player cannot use the faction management script to destroy a faction as it is OOC.

• Government funded faction members must not abuse the salary system and must go off-duty when they are not performing their faction duties.

• If you perform an action which will influence potential RP in the future, you must have OOC evidence of performing said RP. 

  • OOC evidence should consist of a recording or screenshot and it needs to be timestamped (/time).

  • RP would only be valid for 48 hours or until your character dies and NLR is triggered. The time limit does not apply to rule 7.

How did the player break the rule(s)?

i want go back from LSC to bank, then this guys following me behind, ramming me until my car stalled and flying, also DM me for no reason.
thats punch was miss click. i already ctrl + 1 to put handsup, and still got shooted. then he carry my body also drop my body without /me /do

Evidence of rule breach:

 

 

[Dylan Ortiz]

Hi ID 85 here i would like to start with the amount of desync clearly shown on my video and yours.  You will also see that we said hands up to you and you keep trying to punch ID 31 Four times on my screen and as the rules state below i had all rights to kill you. On my screen you had 3 guns aimed at you and you did not follow our demands and tried to attack ID 31

14. Deathmatch (DM)

• Deathmatching is the act of attacking a player or their property without a proper roleplay reason.

• Examples of valid reasons to attack another player:

• If they attempt to arrest or hurt you, an ally, or damage your property.

 

secondly with me when i did /carrybody then /dropbody that was not IC doing that was OOC so i could kill your character as this is the only way i've found it works when trying to kill a injured player that is desynced as you could see i was clearly trying to kill you and you will notice i pick you up and drop you down in the same spot to resync your body.... so RP wise you should of been dead but instead you decided to call the police (after 2 people tried to kill you IC with lots of desync) while we were all still there and ID 31 was standing basically over you but that is for another forum report so no need to reply about that on this report.

also just a side not we do not have to wait as you do not have the power to stop a RP situation so no need to tell us to wait for the admin as there are forums for this matter 

 

videos below 

ID 185 trying to stop ID 103 not ramming pulling in front of him  (lots of desync)

 

and video of ID 103 punching 4 times while at gun point and me trying to kill him over and over

 

 

Edited September 3, 2019 by Dylan Ortiz

[Its EpiC]

ID 156 here i wasn't trying to ram him i was trying to stop him from driving by stopping in front of him he was ramming me on my game when i hit alt+f10 it didn't record back far enough so i don't have a video of that but in ID 85 video you can see he was desync ramming me                                                                                      

 

[Its EpiC]

and then for the power gaming part i tried to kill him and so did carlos but he wouldn't die, when i typed attempts to search the man. success? he didn't reply and you can see in my video i waited to see if he would type success but he didn't and  we had to leave before the police got there as one of them already called the police.                                                                                                                                                                       

                 

[Revelt]

@Dylan Ortiz Hello there, thanks for responding the thread. check my POV, it was stucking when i want to ctrl+1, on my POV, thats why im hitting nothing for no reason 4 times. its that clear ? 

14. Deathmatch (DM)

• Deathmatching is the act of attacking a player or their property without a proper roleplay reason.

• Examples of valid reasons to attack another player:

• If they attempt to arrest or hurt you, an ally, or damage your property.

attempt to HURT

 

@Scott Nicholson Did you /me /do for carry and drop the body ? and you dont need /me /do injured body to check inventory as far as i know, because i can't resist anything from it. but for carry body and drop body you dont know the character description. and how the heck you can jump while carrying body xD
 

Edited September 3, 2019 by Revelt

[Dylan Ortiz]

@Revelt i can see that on your screen you hit once then tried to put your hands up but from my POV you can clearly see you were not listening to our demands and were trying to punch ID 31 that ended in me killing you for not listening to our demands

 @Scott Nicholson never carried you i did(ID 85) and ID 89 did and i already clarified why i did it 

[Revelt]

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secondly with me when i did /carrybody then /dropbody that was not IC doing that was OOC so i could kill your character as this is the only way i've found it works when trying to kill a injured player that is desynced as you could see i was clearly trying to kill you and you will notice i pick you up and drop you down in the same spot to resync your body.... so RP wise you should of been dead but instead you decided to call the police (after 2 people tried to kill you IC with lots of desync) while we were all still there and ID 31 was standing basically over you but that is for another forum report so no need to reply about that on this report.

@Dylan Ortiz nothing is OOC here, you should use /me /do even to carry body and drop body for resync it, admin told me yesterday like that, i got same problem with it.
about call, check my video. where you guys at.

[Revelt]

2 minutes ago, Dylan Ortiz said:

@Revelt i can see that on your screen you hit once then tried to put your hands up but from my POV you can clearly see you were not listening to our demands and were trying to punch ID 31 that ended in me killing you for not listening to our demands

 @Scott Nicholson never carried you i did(ID 85) and ID 89 did and i already clarified why i did it 

The player not involved in this report is not able to reply. please read rules of report again. 

[Dylan Ortiz]

i don't see why i should have to attempt to pick your body up and drop it for no reason as it would be NON RP to pick a body up on my shoulders then drop the body on the same spot for no other reason then to resync the body and when you should have been dead IC from the 10 stabbing and 10 shootings 

[Revelt]

Just now, Dylan Ortiz said:

i don't see why i should have to attempt to pick your body up and drop it for no reason as it would be NON RP to pick a body up on my shoulders then drop the body on the same spot for no other reason then to resync the body and when you should have been dead IC from the 10 stabbing and 10 shootings 

nice, my body teleported to the tree XD

Edited September 3, 2019 by Revelt

[Dylan Ortiz]

your body should have teleported to the hospital along time before the tree and i think you need to edit your report as i'm the one who killed you but i'm not even on the reported list and also @Scott Nicholson is ID 156 he is the reported party not to mention players involved in the video are allowed to have there say

also its funny you say nothing is OOC but you clearly seen us trying to kill you on the floor many times but RP like nothing had happen to you  

Edited September 3, 2019 by Dylan Ortiz

[Revelt]

check on my video, im not even die. cop still there to save my life, then i died

[Dylan Ortiz]

you didn't die due to a server BUG thats all, if you RP correctly you should have RP death after the many desync attacks at you on the floor 

[Revelt]

1 minute ago, Dylan Ortiz said:

you didn't die due to a server BUG thats all, if you RP correctly you should have RP death after the many desync attacks at you on the floor 

the fact is im not death on my screen. thats all

[Dylan Ortiz]

Thats what im saying your reporting someone for carrying your body without any roleplay but yet when you see 2 people actively trying to kill you while being injured but cannot due to a server bug you exploit it by being able to call the police with over 10 stabbings and around 10 shots in you and say "The fact is im not death on my screen. thats all" poor RP in my opinion

[Revelt]

yeah, whatever just wait an admin. i dont want to trashtalk.

[Salvador Rivera]

Hello there my ID 31 as I was part of this Situation I would like to say something !

1. ID 156 only try to stop you by driving in front of you , that what happen is only desync not VDM .

2. About you , when you jumped out from the car you could use /anim handsup to void this glich . So in our Screens you where trying to hit someone down by hands 

that' was the reason why you got shot . 

2.2 Why did you take your phone out and try to call someone ? You know in that time we could just put a bullet into your head and see you ..

3. ID 133 Didn't show any fearRP . This guy saw than there is a shoot out and 4-6 Mexicans already taked everyone down but you still jumped out from the car and when we told you to not do that and put your hands up you decide to take your gun out and try to make some wrong moves . 

4. Also I have a question ID 133 do you have any POV how did you get information about where we shot your friends , or this is some kind a OOC information ? 

5. ID 13 Video 0:50 taking out phone and calling Police ? Really you don't care about your life and didn't show any FearRP . Thats the reason why you got shot fully .

 

You boys should check rules again . 

13. Fear Roleplay (FRP) 

● Fear roleplay is the concept of roleplaying fear for your character’s safety and life.

● As a victim, whose life is in direct danger:
• You must display reasonable value for your life and comply with the demands of your attacker.
• You cannot call 911 or call your friends or allies to aid you.

14. Deathmatch (DM)

● Examples of valid reasons to attack another player:
• If they attempt to arrest or hurt you, an ally, or damage your property.
• If they report you to the police for a serious crime.
• If they are not in compliance with demands, attempt to escape, or call other players for help in a
situation where they are required to display fear under fear roleplay rules.

[Revelt]

https://prnt.sc/p1luom

https://prnt.sc/p1lv15

As giving demands in a moving vehicle is non rp

+ their engine was running

Though if he said they thretened me then its another situation

A gun needed to be aimed.

1st, i have done this situation before. admin said, you cant demand from car to car for comply your words. 

if you chase me

and give demands out of the car

i dunno if its a reason to ram me

only if a gun is aimed

[Dylan Ortiz]

ID 156 was trying to stop his car in front of yours he wasn't trying to ram as you can see in the video its desync ramming, and all he said was stop the fucking the car he didn't shoot at you for not listening he didn't say i'm going to shoot you if you don't stop or anything. and yes you don't have to listen to demands in a vehicle that's not stalled or engine is on so i'm not quiet sure why you have posted this quote as nothing was done to you until you tried to punch ID 31 when you were out the car

As giving demands in a moving vehicle is non rp

+ their engine was running

Though if he said they thretened me then its another situation

A gun needed to be aimed.

Edited September 4, 2019 by Dylan Ortiz

[Salvador Rivera]

As so many people from NLA side was involved, we believe it is the best that we do one big summary of our side of the story and we apologise for the previous back and forth arguing.

 

As you can see in our side video, there was no ramming happening, there was just several attempts to stop the car that was driven by the reporting party. In reporters video you can easily see how unatural the elegy is glitching out and that is an obvious sign of a desync, which later on is proven again by not being able to finish the reporter off as the knife attacks did not register.

 

There was no DM from our side as we did aim at the person when he was out of his vehicle, gave him demands and opened fire only when he was attemtping to hurt our leader (ID 31) and not complying to our demands. We do understand how it looked like DM from the reporters side, but our video proves that we are not making it up and he did attempt to hurt our leader and based on what we saw we acted.

 

The PG and Non-RP charges basing on the fact that no /me or /do was used to pick up the body of the reporter, we, personally, do not find valid as the action of picking someone up or dropping them on the ground is not something unrealistic that human cannot do. Additionally the everyone was injured or dead with multiple gun shot wounds and stab wounds, so no PG in terms of not allowing the other person to react to the action of being picked up was done as realistically the reporter in no way could resist that. If he would have - that would be NonRP instead.

 

We do agree that the climbing on the wall with a body on the shoulder is a PG and we apologise for that. It was a mistake in a rush moment as we were trying to flee the scene, then decided to hide the bodies and we knew police was called which made it very stressful and chaotic.

 

If there are any other questions that administration would like to ask us, we would be more than happy to answer, but for now, we hope, this will be our last reply before admins reply.

[MrSilky]

Locked - Pending

[MrSilky]

PLAYER REPORT ACCEPTED

Thank you for your patience while this report was under review. After reviewing this report and evidence attached to it, I've decided to accept this report and issue the punishments to the following players: Miguel_Costa [ID 156] - Non-RP #2 | Using an expensive vehicle to ram - Although you were not directly ramming the reporting party, you were the cause of the ramming by getting in-front of him or to the side of him at high speeds using your car to slow him down causing the ramming. You showed little to no value for your sport's vehicle and as such will receive Non-RP. Pablo_Hernandezi [ID 89] - Non-RP #2 | Powergaming - You picked up and carried the reporting party after he called the cops to an alternative location. You did so with no RP whatsoever and as such will be punished for powergaming. Carlos_Rodrigueez [ID 85] Deathmatching #2 - You opened fire on the reporting party injuring him when he was attempting to comply with demands and posed no threats either yourself or your allies. Furthermore, you didn't give enough time to the reporting party to fully comply before you shot him down. If you have received a punishment that you disagree with, feel free to file a punishment appeal following the punishment appeal guidelines and format. If the reporting party suffered a loss greater than $25,000 in value, feel free to file a refund request following the refund request guidelines and format.  Regards, MrSilky