Multiple Staff Report

[CoreyAizyy]

Player(s) being reported: @YuSoHelpful @RedHot
Date of interaction reported: couple of dates, its more about times of reports.


Your characters name: Corey Aize

Other player(s) involved: no players involved only staff.

Specific rule(s) broken:

Abuse of moderator abilities, poor evidence review, seem to have a personal problem with certain people meaning they favour the reporting party over a certain someome 

How did the player break the rule(s)?

 

okay, ill start off with the case.

all happened on the 04/08/2019.

when Skullar and his friend got reported for a certain situation:

overall situation pretty clear, and i will quote what he got punished for,

• Artyom_Melnikoff @SkuLLar [ID #250] - Deathmatching - Offense #2 - You attacked the reporting party with no proper/valid demands given. Whilst giving your demands you were talking normally. They could not hear you, proven by the green text not showing up on the right side of his screen when you were speaking. You could've shouted your demands using /s or changing your VOIP to shout instead of normal. If you would've shouted they would've heard your demands at least, but you were too far away from them. Also, you were too far away for the reporting party to be under Fear-RP.

The deathmatching rule states the following:  Examples of valid reasons to attack another player: If they are not in compliance with demands, attempt to escape, or call other players for help in a situation where they are required to display fear under fear roleplay rules. 

pretty clear right?

so he have made an appeal regarding his situation on the 14/08/2019, today the almost 25 days mark has officialy passed since he heard about the appeal i wont write much about it because i sincerley think his appeal got forgotten and any attempt to contact staff results in nothing, he understands that he cant write but 21 days is a long time. He didnt push, he didnt try to contact and honestly waited but not even tiniest hint of something, happening so i think it got forgotten and lost in the appeal section, but this report is not about that.

 

okay so his appeal got locked for

“Appeal locked due to topic bumping.”

an exact quote from YuSoHelpful while overall he was adding more things about why he should get appealed, and from nowhere bam locked, didnt even warn @SkuLLar about anything, he tried contacting him to say that he didnt know that he can just edit, and he didnt think its something not allowed to add something regarding your appeal, about why it should get accepted.

Thats 1 part why im reporting Yusohelpful.

yesterday, i was browsing through reports learning from them and different appeals about different situations as they have the most valuable things to learn from.

he have stumbled upon a punishment appeal that Yusohelpful has replied on here is the report:

something caught his attention about what Yusohelpful wrote in this appeal and im going to quote him now:

"

Also your statement about not hearing him, you say it's too far, but I tested this with a support member and he could hear my VOIP each time. I've recreated the scenario at that exact location and made the support member run the same exact route, he could hear me all time.

The picture posted above is about 1 second later to when he actually had a gun pointed at you and was giving demands over VOIP. I've tested both distances and even a further distance. At even a little further distance he able to hear me properly.

EDIT in regards to the post below: His voice was on normal and not in whispering mode. "

well lets now go back to Skullars, and compare the difference between my situation and his.

My Photo from when demands were given and gun aimed: 

The report that was made on him and when he gave him demands:

now lets compare, Voice on both is normal right?

distence about the same right?

Talking down below right?

green text below right?

aiming a gun right?

he knew i was behind him right?

Same exact situation, but now lets take a look at the reply of YuSohelpful and Redhot on Skullars report, and on this other one that i have here,

The reply of yusohelpful on SkuLLars report: ill highlight the thing i got the problem with.

"

Artyom_Melnikoff @SkuLLar [ID #250] - Deathmatching - Offense #2 - You attacked the reporting party with no proper/valid demands given. Whilst giving your demands you were talking normally. They could not hear you, proven by the green text not showing up on the right side of his screen when you were speaking. You could've shouted your demands using /s or changing your VOIP to shout instead of normal. If you would've shouted they would've heard your demands at least, but you were too far away from them. Also, you were too far away for the reporting party to be under Fear-RP.

The deathmatching rule states the following:  Examples of valid reasons to attack another player: If they are not in compliance with demands, attempt to escape, or call other players for help in a situation where they are required to display fear under fear roleplay rules. "

The reply of yusohelpful on my report: ill highlight the thing i got the problem with.

"

 

Also your statement about not hearing him,you say it's too far, but I tested this with a support member and he could hear my VOIP each time. I've recreated the scenario at that exact location and made the support member run the same exact route, he could hear me all time.

The picture posted above is about 1 second later to when he actually had a gun pointed at you and was giving demands over VOIP. I've tested both distances and even a further distance. At even a little further distance he able to hear me properly.

EDIT in regards to the post below: His voice was on normal and not in whispering mode. 

"

You see why me and other people want to report these two? Personally i havent with RedHot but it obviously needs to be addressed

on the report that was made on SkuLLar, same distance ,speaking on normal, pointing a gun at the back of the guy, he states that Skullar was giving demands while he was talking normally and he couldnt hear me, and starts explaining that he needed to shout, and then saying the party is not under fear rp as he’s too far away from him...

now look at my report i mentioned, same distance, speaking on normal, pointing a gun at a fleeing guy, he states that the guy giving the demands that was speaking on normal could have said it in normal and didnt have to shout his demands?

why did he then tell SkuLLar that he needed to shout? why didnt he tell this other reported party he needs to shout too?

it just shows that either Yusohelpful has something against SkuLLar which shouldn’t be allowed as you should be professional to everyone no matter how they treat you. either he didnt check my clip until the end and rushed to make a decision which is pretty poor.

he also states "his voice was on normal and not in whispering", same thing with SkuLLar, he was on normal and not whispering, he is giving different results on exact same situations, nothing is different between my situation and his.

now im moving on to RedHot, redhot made the decision together with Yusohelpful as they were discussing this between themselves (i gather.), now here is an active report that im linking:

lets take a quick look, RedHot stated that this is not DM, as Tomas136 attempted to flee while being under gun point, check the logs.

guarding his friends from a report? you can hear the clown yell stop as he knows its dm.

as i know from tomas 136 redhot only quoted this part:  If they are not in compliance with demands, attempt to escape, or call other players for help 

did redhot forget about this? :  

 

in a situation where they are required to display fear under fear roleplay rules.

as he and yusohelpful stated in SkuLLars punishment?

why am i doing this report on them you might ask?

i have seen a lot more staff members giving different answers on again exact same situations.

each day i find more and more situations exactly the same.

as it seems to me not all staff members have same idea over this fear-rp rule, it also states that there are more examples of fearing for your life no?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iaw-35_7aEc&feature=youtu.be

this is the video that redhot, stated is not dm, but im Skullars situation where he actually ran after the guy, tried to stop him several times, aimed the gun multiple times, actually tried to engage and do something.

although its the same as this:

in addition to our situation i thought that running away unarmed from heavily armed guys supposed to put you under fear rp too no? as it states there are multiple examples?

overall this is why im repoting Yusohelpful and redhot, redhot because he states that that video is not dm and doesnt mention the fear-rp part and Yusohelpful on giving 2 different verdicts on 2 exact situations, while telling Skullar that he was speaking on normal and had to shout for him to hear me, but to me that the guy is ok with that he was speaking normal and the person running away could hear him fine, i just find it very annoying and hard to grasp from who you are supposed to be... And that is professional and fair Admins

Thanks For reading.

Evidence of rule breach:

Multiple reports and appeals i have used through out my report.

and more reports and appeals that i can attach here, just ask me i dont want to spam reports here but i have alot.

 

Edited September 1, 2019 by CoreyAizyy

[Flucifial]

Hello, thank you for making this report.

 

@YuSoHelpful and @RedHot should now respond with their side of the story whilst this report is pending review from a Senior Administrator or above.

 

Your patience during this time is much appreciated.

 

Kind Regards,
Flucifial

[YuSoHelpful]

@Flucifial I'm unsure if a response is needed to both sides or just Corey's side.

Because @SkuLLar is permanently banned and his initial report was closed. Corey however copy pasted it. (It's edited now so it seems to be written from his perspective)

His appeal is however still open and awaiting review.

_____________________________

Onto the actual report.

On 8/31/2019 at 11:37 PM, CoreyAizyy said:

seem to have a personal problem with certain people meaning they favour the reporting party over a certain someome

First of all I'd like to state, I do not have a problem with anyone in the community. Also I have never favoured anyone in a report. I've punished people I've known for a while because they broke the rules. I have also declined and reported multiple incidents of people asking me to remove a punishment for the fact they know me and they think because of that I will make their punishments go away.

 

Topic bumping.

Placing a . on your appeal, which is awaiting review is in my eyes considered topic bumping. Multiple reports get locked for such. I don't see what I've done wrong here.

In the Punishment Appeal Requirements it clearly states the following:
 

• Wait patiently, some appeals may be answered quickly and others require investigation and review that can take time.

Therefore I feel locking the topic, awaiting review from a Senior Admin+ is entirely justified. As I see no reason to post a . on your appeal.

 

The @SkuLLar report.

My reasoning as can be seen in the report says it all in my opinion. You were unable to give proper demands by saying "hands" in a way where he had no possibility to hear you. I've tested this with a Support member. You said hands very calmly and normal. If you'd have raised your voice the other party could've heard you, but you were still at a reasonable range.

 

The @CoreyAizyy report.

You've tried to appeal the outcome of the report you're writing about. Your appeal was denied as my ruling was deemed correct.

Therefore I wonder if this is to be considered an actual report against me, or an attempt at another Appeal on your report.
 

The screenshot used in this report and the appeal show the man further away from when the demand was actually given. In the actual report (linked below) you will see a screenshot posted by me from the point where demands were given. 

As can be seen below, this quite differs from the screenshot posted in both the report and the appeal. I believe this might not been doen by you intentionally, but I'd like to make this clear.

The demands were given with a loud voice, in contrast to Skullar's report, the "robber" used a loud voice instead of al almost whispering voice. I've tested this with a Support member and he could be heard properly. This + your actions as stated in your denied punishment appeal, in my eyes, justifies the punishment issued.

 

If any further reasoning or explanation is required, please inform me.

 

Kind Regards,
Moderator YuSoHelpful

[RedHot]

I'm not sure what I am meant to be replying to here, it seems you are bringing other reports that are not concluded into the mix, as stated by Bakmeel he was told to make a forum report on the matter, I see time and time again people playing on the line of the rule intentionally for their own gain. I make it clear at the time if i feel this is the case or not, I have seen groups of people that clearly are not here to RP yet just hands up and rob at every opportunity, this is not a cops and robbers server as much as some of you like to think it is. 

As stated by YuSoHelpful above the reason for giving the punishment was as if he was whispering to not wake someone up in the next room, you can not call that a demand if you are saying "Hands" under your breath.

RedHot

[CoreyAizyy]

On 9/3/2019 at 4:10 PM, YuSoHelpful said:

@Flucifial I'm unsure if a response is needed to both sides or just Corey's side.

Because @SkuLLar is permanently banned and his initial report was closed. Corey however copy pasted it. (It's edited now so it seems to be written from his perspective)

His appeal is however still open and awaiting review.

 

 

I am very aware of the fact that his appeal is still open and waiting for review but it has been stated in the past that some admins have forgotten cases and only remembered them simply due to the fact that they we’re scrolling through the appeals.

This is just my opinion and is the way i feel; i dont really think it should matter if a player is permanently banned, they should still get their fair say and also be talked to about the problems that have arisen..

Also this report is going out not just for my benefit but because @SkuLLar couldn’t get a fair say in the matter of his own report and so everyone can just give it a read.

Another point, again @RedHot I have nothing against you as i’ve never had a bad experience or a problem with you, im simply posting the part about you because there was no way for Skullar to get his word in.

On 9/3/2019 at 4:10 PM, YuSoHelpful said:

The @SkuLLar report.

My reasoning as can be seen in the report says it all in my opinion. You were unable to give proper demands by saying "hands" in a way where he had no possibility to hear you. I've tested this with a Support member. You said hands very calmly and normal. If you'd have raised your voice the other party could've heard you, but you were still at a reasonable range.

Okay so my argument against this is, the fact is that you say you have tested with a support member and im not saying that the results were in fact wrong, im simply saying that the outcome of the situation regarding VoIP quite clearly varies with different people. For example, your test results show that you were able to hear the person from the same distance as me in my report and im not saying anything different but, i have got so much footage i can use to show that the VoIP does in fact differ for other people, here is a video of me driving past a zeta right up close and you can visually see him talking but i cannot hear him what so ever; 

2. There was also an Update that Skullar spoke about in the report that You now have to say your demands Via text as well as VoIP due to the simple fact that people may will not be able to hear you, just like in my situation, but by the time you say anything in OOC you get shot and then die because people think “right well they obviously wont reply to demands so times up”. Surely you must understand where i’m coming from.

(Because of an improved VOIP system, we've changed "You must give demands via text if used as a reason to attack as VOIP isn’t always heard." to "If a player informs you that your VOIP isn’t working, you must either fix your VOIP using /voicereset or use text to deliver your demand(s)." What this means is that it falls on the responsibility of whoever is having demands are given to them to inform the other party that their VOIP isn't working through OOC chats (/pm, /b or /ooc), and if informed, the player giving demands must either fix their VOIP or use text as the rule dictates.)

My only problem with the above quote is that, its hard to say that your VOIP isn’t working without getting killed becuase the robber is too impatient to wait for you. It’s also hard to determine whether the attacker needs to Voice reset or if you genuinely cannot hear them which was the same for me.

3. To clear this up, this is also not an attempt to try to get my appeal re-looked at and approved because im well past that and there is simply no point.

On 9/3/2019 at 4:10 PM, YuSoHelpful said:

 

@Flucifial

_____________________________

Onto the actual report.

On 8/31/2019 at 10:37 PM, CoreyAizyy said:

seem to have a personal problem with certain people meaning they favour the reporting party over a certain someome

Topic bumping.

Placing a . on your appeal, which is awaiting review is in my eyes considered topic bumping. Multiple reports get locked for such. I don't see what I've done wrong here.

In the Punishment Appeal Requirements it clearly states the following:
 

• Wait patiently, some appeals may be answered quickly and others require investigation and review that can take time.

Therefore I feel locking the topic, awaiting review from a Senior Admin+ is entirely justified. As I see no reason to post a . on your appeal.

 

 

I have never topic bumped so I assume you are talking about Skullar here... I think, personally, that many people have their secret hatreds towards others or ya know they simply don’t like the way the person is but, i believe you but im just saying many others wouldn’t.

Like i said previously, some people genuinely do forget about reports or appeals and they get lost until they randomly come upon it, or are reminded about it, but i do i have a few things to say.

1. It is fair that it does state you should be patient when your appeal/report is being appealed

2. On the other hand, it is a little worrying for some people to see that its almost been One month since their appeal and they have heard nothing. I do think that Skullar was wrong to “Topic Bump” but i also think he was using it within reason. 

3. The reason being he did not receive any sort of notification to say that the appeal is still being reviewed and guy simply wanted to know if it had been forgotten or if it was still genuinely being under review. @YuSoHelpful I completely agree with you that the right thing to do is be patient, but i also think the appealing party/reporting party should receive some sort of notification to say that it is still under proper review and they should get frequent notifications about it. For Example Maybe every week would be nice.

On 9/3/2019 at 4:10 PM, YuSoHelpful said:

The @CoreyAizyy report.

You've tried to appeal the outcome of the report you're writing about. Your appeal was denied as my ruling was deemed correct.

Therefore I wonder if this is to be considered an actual report against me, or an attempt at another Appeal on your report.
 

The screenshot used in this report and the appeal show the man further away from when the demand was actually given. In the actual report (linked below) you will see a screenshot posted by me from the point where demands were given. 

As can be seen below, this quite differs from the screenshot posted in both the report and the appeal. I believe this might not been doen by you intentionally, but I'd like to make this clear.

The demands were given with a loud voice, in contrast to Skullar's report, the "robber" used a loud voice instead of al almost whispering voice. I've tested this with a Support member and he could be heard properly. This + your actions as stated in your denied punishment appeal, in my eyes, justifies the punishment issued.

1. Okay so again I would again like to say this is in no way shape or form an attempt to get my appeal accepted.

2. No the screenshot is not intentionally placed like that but as you say you don’t believe i’ve done it intentionally (Which I haven’t) but others might think i have, which i don’t mind because some people might believe you may favour some people in the community when it comes to reporting when you say you haven’t. Unfortunately it’s just how the cookie crumbles.

3. I agree with what you say, The guy does use a louder voice than Skullar did but even so, you can still hear clearly through ones microphone regardless of how quiet the person is speaking IRL. For Example, a person could be whispering but you can still hear them clearly as their voice depends on their microphone and how close they actually are to it. Once again, not bothered about my appeal being denied.

 

On 9/3/2019 at 5:19 PM, RedHot said:

As stated by YuSoHelpful above the reason for giving the punishment was as if he was whispering to not wake someone up in the next room, you can not call that a demand if you are saying "Hands" under your breath.

1.Everyone who has read the report will understand that Skullar was a lot more quieter than the other person, but they also know you can hear a person whispering in game just as clearly. I come across a woman in game that was whispering and was even louder than what she was speaking normally. I also have footage of that if necessary

2. Skullar wasn’t even really speaking under his breath at all, yes he was quiet, but he didnt mumble or slur his words, he didnt fully whisper the guy a bedtime story, he quite cleary said his demands. Did the reporting party of Skullars report also say anything in discord or in anyway try to contact Skullar to say that he could not hear him? I genuinely dont know but if he didnt, then why isn’t the reporting party being asked about that? The very least, the reporter could have messaged skullar and said “look, i see this as deathmatch as i heard no commands etc” and skullar also could have PMed to him say “I have footage of me giving proper demands but maybe we can sort something out”. Something along those lines just to have voided the situation. The same happened to me when i reported @Vova Tarkov for DM because he thought i was shooting at him, he killed me, saw the report and explained his side of the story, we exchanged DMs and came to a friendly agreement that i get my stuff back and the report is voided so that we both walk away with a win.

Edit; I would also like to add, yes i did use the same post and put it more or less into my words and perspective in some manor, but me and Skullar have exchanged DMs for me to fully comprehend the circumstances of his situation, which is why im sided with him. Every admin also seems to interpret each rule a lot differently and for someone to say that people need to be louder should not be your argument, if a player clearly cannot hear the attacker then the attacker should need to shout commands through the text chat, you also say to speak louder but how can you get any lounder without earraping everyone, which would inevitably end in the person reporting the attacker for shoutong in the microphone. The whole situation contradicts itself and is unfair to both the attacker and said people being reported for Fear RP

Edited September 20, 2019 by CoreyAizyy

[CoreyAizyy]

is anything going to actually happen with this report?

[Archaeah]

Alright..

The report at the drug lab in Sandy Shores has proof the player did not hear him whereas the one at pauls farm has no evidence that the person did not hear them from that distance. Your claims that you were as far away as the man in the sandy video, therefore you couldn't hear him is based on the screenshots provided. The video is no longer available to fully show the situation.

Both of these have been appealed and neither voided. I do not see an issue with how they were handled, as they are two different situations. No two situations are the same as you have claimed. One had evidence that they were heard and the other did not. The video is no longer available to review on the fear RP report so I am unable to compare the two videos regarding the actual distances and what was said in it.

 

The report about the DM has not even been concluded and they were told to make a report on the forum. This does not mean that the situation is or is not DM. Unsure why this is being used as evidence.

Report Denied.