id 76, 46, 207, 62 - DM

[MohammedAli]

Player(s) being reported: ID 76, ID 46, ID 207, ID 62
Date of interaction reported: 29/08/2019
Unix time stamp from HUD: 1567117611

Your characters name: Lucky Monroe

Other player(s) involved: -

Specific rule(s) broken:

Examples (but not limited to), where your character’s life is NOT considered to be in direct danger:

• When you are in a car which engine is not stalled.

 

14. Deathmatch (DM)

• Deathmatching is the act of attacking a player or their property without a proper roleplay reason.

• Examples of valid reasons to attack another player:

• If they attempt to arrest or hurt you, an ally, or damage your property.

• If they report you to the police for a serious crime.

• If they are not in compliance with demands, attempt to escape, or call other players for help in a situation where they are required to display fear under fear roleplay rules.

• A player cannot kill their victim if the victim is in compliance with the demands.

• A player must allow their victim enough time to comply with the demands.

• If a player informs you that your VOIP isn’t working, you must either fix your VOIP using appropriate commands or use text to deliver your demand(s).

• Vehicles cannot be used to attack another player more than once including a failed attempt.

• Attacking another player with no engagement in roleplay is not allowed.

• Killing a player that has obeyed all orders and demands during a roleplay situation is allowed, with roleplay, only within 3 hours of:

  1.  Severe hostile or criminal action is taken against you, e.g. someone is robbing you at gunpoint. (Excluding police aiming a gun at you.)

  2.   Someone is attempting to take your life.

  3.   Someone is attempting to take the life of your close friend or ally, or if you have witnessed it happen.

• You must explain your reason to kill to the player IC and have OOC evidence proving your reason.

How did the player break the rule(s)?

I was surrounded by 4 motorcycles and one of them said "Now" over the radio. As the criminals got off their bikes, i pushed my panic alarm. From the start of the encounter I felt uncomfortable and threatened but after I heard the radio call, that forced me to push my Panic Alarm. At the same time, they were also saying hands up however no weapons were aimed and I am not under FearRP as my vehicle is moving, engine on and in good condition. As soon as their weapons were trained on me, they just began to shoot. I tried getting out of the vehicle to put my hands up but they didn't even give me that chance.

I was given demands with no weapons aimed at me. I was shot a second after saying hands up. What time do I have to respond?

I would also like to point out, 0:28 i was told hands up. 0:29 i was shot. Within this SECOND, what action did I do to authorise being shot at? I did not move as soon as the weapons were out.

Evidence of rule breach:

 

Edited August 29, 2019 by MohammedAli

[Virjis]

im 207 in this situation, your car was boxed in by 4 bikes, you reached for your panic button as soon as you see a weapon, you press it on the first demand of hands up. There would of been no way you getting out in this situation without running us over or damaging our bikes, you see weapons and someone saying hands up you reach for your panic button. I think this a breach of fear rp from your side

it's the panic button that caused us to shoot, you called people for backup the second we had our guns out and said hands up, bare in mind in our eyes we was already pointing guns sooner than what it shows, unfortunately i dont have my POV but i had a weapon in my hand as soon as i got off the bike and that's when i started aiming,  

Edited August 30, 2019 by Virjis

[OrestasN]

ID 62 here. I dont really understand why i am being reported here, i didint even shoot. But you just pressed panic button while 3 guns were pointed at you, seems like a fearrp to me.

[Chronius420]

Hey 75here... I dunno what to say here.... Its all good what we did. We said to you hands up and out of the car , and you just hit your panic button when me n 3 other lads with weapons were aiming at you... You wont do this in real life.. So i dont know why u made this report.. 

[Kencyt_Portugalai]

Hello ID 46 over here, we gave you demands we had pur weapons in hands. We told you what to do. And you pressed panic button so automatically it gave us strong reason to end ur life. Also i would think this also could be the breach of fear rp.

[MohammedAli]

9 hours ago, Virjis said:

im 207 in this situation, your car was boxed in by 4 bikes, you reached for your panic button as soon as you see a weapon, you press it on the first demand of hands up. There would of been no way you getting out in this situation without running us over or damaging our bikes, you see weapons and someone saying hands up you reach for your panic button. I think this a breach of fear rp from your side

it's the panic button that caused us to shoot, you called people for backup the second we had our guns out and said hands up, bare in mind in our eyes we was already pointing guns sooner than what it shows, unfortunately i dont have my POV but i had a weapon in my hand as soon as i got off the bike and that's when i started aiming,  

Thanks for your response.

Boxed in by 4 bikes? Would that stop a vehicle from escaping?

Now for the panic alarm and accusation of breaking FearRP. I pushed my Panic Alarm button as soon as you stepped off your bikes, no weapons were aimed at me. (Evidence: https://prnt.sc/ozklxf) If you think otherwise, a video or screenshot would suffice whether it's from you or the other parties involved. You also say I broke FearRP, please state under what conditions I would be feared. 

According to the rule book, I did not break FearRP as:

• I WAS NOT on foot or bike and a weapon is aimed at you at close range.

• I WAS NOT in a vehicle that is stalled or turned off and a weapon is aimed at you close range.

So please state, under what condition I broke FearRP. As far as I know, I was never under fear. No weapons aimed. No engine stalled. I was completely mobile and able to escape. You think bikes "boxing" me in would even stop me if I really was fearful for my life? Your property is the least of my concern, my life would be more important. 

You still haven't explained your reasoning for shooting me. When the weapons were out, did I move? You gave me a split-second from 0:28 to 0:29 to comply with your demands. 

9 hours ago, OrestasN said:

ID 62 here. I dont really understand why i am being reported here, i didint even shoot. But you just pressed panic button while 3 guns were pointed at you, seems like a fearrp to me.

After further review of the evidence, I would like to retract my report on ID 62. He did not participate or get off his bike.

My apologies, @OrestasN.

9 hours ago, Chronius420 said:

Hey 75here... I dunno what to say here.... Its all good what we did. We said to you hands up and out of the car , and you just hit your panic button when me n 3 other lads with weapons were aiming at you... You wont do this in real life.. So i dont know why u made this report.. 

Thanks for your response.

Please slow down the evidence above to see my Panic Alarm was pushed before weapons were aimed at me.

Saying hands up as you get off the bike does not put me under FearRP whatsoever. 

Also, I have clear-cut evidence to prove my panic-alarm was pushed way before the weapons were up. (Evidence: https://prnt.sc/ozklxf)

If you think otherwise, please provide evidence such as a video or screenshot to prove your side as I find it hard to believe the weapons were up whilst your character is in the motion of getting off their bike. 

56 minutes ago, Kencyt_Portugalai said:

Hello ID 46 over here, we gave you demands we had pur weapons in hands. We told you what to do. And you pressed panic button so automatically it gave us strong reason to end ur life. Also i would think this also could be the breach of fear rp.

Thanks for your response.

My panic alarm button was pushed way before the weapons were up. (Evidence: https://prnt.sc/ozklxf)

If you think otherwise, please provide evidence such as a video or screenshot to prove your side as I find it hard to believe the weapons were up whilst your character is in the motion of getting off their bike. 

Also, you state pushing my panic button gave you "strong reason to end ur life".

A panic button is a sign of distress and is not calling other players for help. My engine was on so you weren't allowed to shoot me under the DM rules as it state "where they are required to display fear under fear roleplay rules". So, pushing my panic alarm is NOT a valid reason to shoot me as I am NOT under FearRP at the time of pushing it. 

Edited August 30, 2019 by MohammedAli

[Virjis]

Hey, would like add to what i stated before about if he escaped he would have damaged our property or hurt us the way he was boxed in.

 

• Examples of valid reasons to attack another player:

• If they attempt to arrest or hurt you, an ally, or damage your property.

 

In the video you can also see that you crash the car into one of our bikes.

EDIT:

No, i am not trying to find any reason the main reason we started shooting was because you pushed the panic button, in our eyes we we had guns and started pointing sooner than you can see, had you boxed in, in a situation where you would have had to run us over or ram our bike out of the way. You stated that you have already felt threatened by us so when we jump off you knew what was going on, you tried driving off but realized you was boxed in and couldn't so you reach for your panicking button while in your video we can already see we have guns in our hands before we start to point. So you was already fearing for your life, so you try to dip (although it's not against the rules as you can flee in this situation) but then you realize there is no way you getting out so you call for back up. We didn't do this with the intention to kill you but you called for back up in which another 8 units responded.   

Edited September 1, 2019 by Virjis

[MohammedAli]

10 minutes ago, Virjis said:

Hey, would like add to what i stated before about if he escaped he would have damaged our property or hurt us the way he was boxed in.

 

 

• Examples of valid reasons to attack another player:

• If they attempt to arrest or hurt you, an ally, or damage your property.

 

In the video you can also see that you crash the car into one of our bikes.

It seems like you are finding any excuse within the rule-book to explain your reasoning for killing me.

I reversed my vehicle to find space to escape, how is that seen as damaging your property?

- I did not intentionally ram your bike.

- As soon as the vehicle hit, I stopped the car.

- I did not continue reversing over your bike when i could of.

I reversed and bumped into your bike, hardly getting a baseball bat out and smashing it to pieces. 

If that was the case, then every bump and hit across Los Santos would give reason to kill others. 

 

I will only now respond to Staff if required.

Edited August 30, 2019 by MohammedAli

[MohammedAli]

*BUMP*

Only bumping this as no staff member has yet responded in 72hrs+.

Want to make sure it's not lost and forgotten.

Thanks.

[Brawnkoh]

21 minutes ago, MohammedAli said:

*BUMP*

Only bumping this as no staff member has yet responded in 72hrs+.

Want to make sure it's not lost and forgotten.

Thanks.

• No double posting or thread bumping. One report for one situation, and it will be handled as promptly as possible.

[Serthon]

Hello and thanks for making this report @MohammedAli
After discussing this report with @Meggs_56, we have come to the following conclusion; 

Player Barisow_Magadan (ID 76) and Player Bill_Kapri (ID 46) will receive punishments for DM. The player you shot was not in breach of any rules as you did not have your guns pointed at him when he pressed his panic alarm. His engine was on, he was not under fear RP therefore him pressing his panic alarm does not give you reason to shoot him. 

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