Dylan Ortiz Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 Player(s) being reported: ID 11 Date of interaction reported: 28 08 2019 Unix time stamp from HUD: 217 | 1566939433 Your characters name: Dylan Orton Other player(s) involved: ID 192 ID 113 Specific rule(s) broken: 13. Fear Roleplay (FRP) Fear roleplay is the concept of roleplaying fear for your character’s safety and life. Examples (but not limited to), where your character’s life is considered to be in direct danger: • When you are on foot or bike and a weapon is aimed at you at close range. • When you’re in a vehicle that is stalled or turned off and a weapon is aimed at you close range. • When the attacker lowers their weapon to type or roleplay, your life remains in direct danger. • Driving a vehicle in an active shootout more than once without the intent of protecting a friend, fleeing with it, or using it as cover. Examples (but not limited to), where your character’s life is NOT considered to be in direct danger: • When you are in a car which engine is not stalled. • When you have a firearm drawn and are facing the other person before they attacked. • When the attacker’s view is obstructed by an object or when they turn their back on you. As a victim, whose life is in direct danger: • You must display reasonable value for your life and comply with the demands of your attacker. • You cannot call 911 or call your friends or allies to aid you. had a gun aimed at him and was told twice to put his hands up but ran then tried to drive away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datsjsj Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 (edited) To be honest i didn't know there was 3 of you there i cant see behind me and i didn't hear you either all i heard was shots so i ran i have no evidence to provide at all i will say is you can't say hands up through a door and not expect people to run i don't have eyes in back of my head you know if you had said it when i was around side of car at this point in picture from your video ive linked i would of been able to see you and put my hands up but i wasn't given a chance you just opened fire Edited August 27, 2019 by datsjsj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Ortiz Posted August 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 (edited) i aimed a gun at you threw the door to start with and as you said its "Glass" its a "see" threw door you seen the gun then i come out side and said hands up. its a glass door not a sound proof door not to mention i said it outside as well and informed you of the report instantly so not sure why you didn't hit alt+f 10.... clearly just trying to escape "all i heard was shots so i ran" there was no shots untill you started to get into your car so you were not running from shots at all Edited August 27, 2019 by Dylan Ortiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datsjsj Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 (edited) Your clearly Just shooting and opening fire on someone who has he's back to you and was already running when you came out store from what i understand you can't give demands through a object like the door in this case also who would rob a woman in a store when the seller can press the buzzer at any moment seems non rp to me Edited August 27, 2019 by datsjsj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datsjsj Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 (edited) and your clearly not watching your own video there you started shootting while i was running around the bonnet of my car 6 minutes ago, Dylan Ortiz said: " there was no shots untill you started to get into your car so you were not running from shots at all Edited August 27, 2019 by datsjsj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datsjsj Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 Also you said hands up you two there was 2 people in the shop how did i know you was telling me to put my hands up its all very confusing i must say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Ortiz Posted August 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) to start with IRL there is no "buzzer" to call the cops its not a bank, second you guys seen that someone was being robbed in there as you can see in my photo at 9:03 on my video. then you guys were sitting out the front and could see what was going on but it took you 30 seconds before you came in... so you value your life by coming into a store while someone is getting robbed at gun point? that seems Non RP to me... watch the video again i had my gun aimed at you in your face threw a see thru door and told you to put your hands up then went out side and said it again BEFORE you were in the car but you keep running so i shot.... do you really think IRL you could run to your door open it put it in drive take the handbrake off and leave before i could shoot you when i was on top of you? providing the car was left with engine on IRL? 1st photo is where i said hands up for the second time outside... seems pretty close hey? https://imgur.com/F0GkwDa 2nd photo is the time you guys sat out the front watching take note of the time on the video https://imgur.com/T0x43Nb 3rd photo is you guys coming inside 30 seconds after siting out the front and seeing someone getting robbed https://imgur.com/4pkkTbq you seem to be the king of excuses like the previous report i did on you in this video saying "to be honest my mind was a blur during the incident" claiming you didn't try to hit me on your bike on the video Edited August 28, 2019 by Dylan Ortiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datsjsj Posted August 28, 2019 Report Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) You can't bring a previous report which i was cleared of into this one as far as im aware those are 2 different incidents and you clearly seem to have some issue with me. 1st photo just proves what i said i had my back to you when you came out of the shop and could not see you pointing the gun also to add the photo shows you with your pistol up and not aimed at me. The situation Just seems completely non rp from my point of view we all know the shop keeper press the buzzer the second he's hands go down and cops are alerted so why would you rob someone in a shop it makes no sense running such a high risk and your stuck in shop with no escape routes when police arrive. I will also state again giving demands through a object like a door does't give me a reason to fear my life in my opinion. Edited August 28, 2019 by datsjsj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Ortiz Posted August 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2019 2 hours ago, datsjsj said: You can't bring a previous report which i was cleared of into this one as far as im aware those are 2 different incidents and you clearly seem to have some issue with me. 1st photo just proves what i said i had my back to you when you came out of the shop and could not see you pointing the gun also to add the photo shows you with your pistol up and not aimed at me. The situation Just seems completely non rp from my point of view we all know the shop keeper press the buzzer the second he's hands go down and cops are alerted so why would you rob someone in a shop it makes no sense running such a high risk and your stuck in shop with no escape routes when police arrive. I will also state again giving demands through a object like a door does't give me a reason to fear my life in my opinion. theres 2 photos of the gun aimed at you and here's what the admin said on your report "@datsjsj From watching both videos of your driving I find it very hard to believe that you were not trying to run him over. You were at a dead stop, you drove toward him and even turned towards him also. Please explain your reasoning to me and why you took the actions you took." in saying that i have nothing against you i didn't even know it was you until i made the report and seen the players name when you replied just happens to be you braking rules again... as for the buzzer " we all know the shop keeper press the buzzer the second he's hands go down and cops are alerted" well your wrong heres somthing new for you the alarm isnt triggered until the /grabcash script is started nothing Non RP about this apart from you both trying to come into a store un armed then trying to run with a gun pointed at you.... take a look your name isn't even saved https://imgur.com/hLfz0Uk https://imgur.com/a/fBjKmEq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datsjsj Posted August 28, 2019 Report Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) Like i said i don't have eyes in back of my head and it wouldn't be very realistic to and im not technically breaking the rules you said hands up you two you had 2 people at gun point in the shop if you wanted me in the shop why didn't you get id 113 to take me at gun point instead would of made far more sense than shouting through a door which is a object so ive not technically got a reason to fear for my life. Also i don't like the fact you say im breaking rules again i was cleared of that and its irrelevant to this. Edited August 28, 2019 by datsjsj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Ortiz Posted August 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) you seem to forget that i said hands up when i was basically touching you outside as well. what would of been more realistic is you not trying to get in your car and drive off before i could shoot you but hey you still tried it Edited August 28, 2019 by Dylan Ortiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datsjsj Posted August 28, 2019 Report Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) what you clearly don't see was i was running before you said hands up and had pressed to get in the car as i got to side so i was mid animation already and unable to put my hands up but you was shooting at me before i started moving which is unfair and forcing me to be in the situation in the first place. Also i don't know why you bring this report that i was cleared of into this which adds to why i feel like your just looking to cause trouble for me i frankly cant be bothered with this so im sorry if offend you by saying that but i don't see any other reason for it Im not making no further reply cause i feel like your just here to argue at this point and that's not what any of this is about i get the fact there are rules but at end of day the server is for enjoyment and fun. Edited August 28, 2019 by datsjsj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Ortiz Posted August 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2019 watch the video i don't shoot until your character goes into animation mode at 0:10 seconds on the video is when you pressed F that's when i start shooting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawnkoh Posted August 30, 2019 Report Share Posted August 30, 2019 PLAYER REPORT PENDING RESPONSES Thank you for your patience while this report is under review. After reviewing this report and the evidence attached to it, I have decided that this report cannot be concluded at this time. The following players will be required to provide their side of the story from this situation within the next twenty-four (24) hours: [Josh_Harris [ID #11]] - [ @datsjsj ] Josh_Harris, Do you have any video evidence of this interaction from your perspective? If the players above fail to respond to this report within the next twenty-four (24) hours, this report will be concluded based on the evidence that has already been provided, to the best of our ability. Regards, Brawnkoh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datsjsj Posted August 30, 2019 Report Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) i have none @Brawnkoh my pc crashed during the situation and the recording corrupted so im unlucky on that score. I do understand the fear rp rule and i thought i was right by running because the original demands were giving through the door at the time he started shooting me though i was mid animation and couldn't of done a thing to stop that. Edited August 30, 2019 by datsjsj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Ortiz Posted August 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2019 i only started shooting once you animation started for the 3rd time of telling you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Ortiz Posted August 31, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 (edited) You were saying that you don't have eyes in the back, but you do have ears and it is easy to understand how close or far in reality the person is behind your back. This is the moment when I said the demands outside the shop and as you can see in the picture, your characters head is turned towards me, which means you were looking at me and from your characters point of view you saw me with corner of your eye as well. Having the knowledge that I am armed as you saw me aiming at you through the door, you should have assumed that Im not just giving you demands, but aiming as well. The reason why my gun was up in the air is because of the animation when you are close to a wall or in my case as I was going through the doors the character automatically puts the gun up https://imgur.com/KTccR8u Honestly you just had "have to win" mindset as you did not want to be robbed and now you just doing hail Mary attempts to get out of the situation. Edited August 31, 2019 by Dylan Ortiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawnkoh Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 PLAYER REPORT ACCEPTED Thank you for your patience while this report was under review. After reviewing this report and evidence attached to it, I've decided to accept this report and issue the punishments to the following players: [Josh_Harris [ID #2]] - [NonRP] - [Offense #2] - [FearRP] Josh Harris, There is a spot in the video when he's still inside, where the attacker states "hands up, you too, come in here". This clearly implies he is not talking to the individual already in the store. While I would give you the benefit of the doubt since he was inside and maybe you are RPing you couldn't hear him. I am confident you oocly were able to hear that. As such, I don't buy that you didn't know who he was talking to after he came out of the store. He told you two more times, "hands up, hands up" and you fled to your car, and started the engine. This is a clear breach of textbook FearRP in my opinion. If you have received a punishment that you disagree with, feel free to file a punishment appeal following the punishment appeal guidelines and format. If the reporting party suffered a loss greater than $25,000 in value, feel free to file a refund request following the refund request guidelines and format. Regards, Brawnkoh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
