Jack McCabe Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 Player(s) being reported: ID 16 Date of interaction reported: 25/08/19 Unix time stamp from HUD: 123 | 1566745879 Your characters name: Jack McCabe Other player(s) involved: Several other people Specific rule(s) broken: 14. Deathmatch (DM) Deathmatching is the act of attacking a player or their property without a proper roleplay reason. Examples of valid reasons to attack another player: • If they attempt to arrest or hurt you, an ally, or damage your property. • If they report you to the police for a serious crime. • If they are not in compliance with demands, attempt to escape, or call other players for help in a situation where they are required to display fear under fear roleplay rules. A player cannot kill their victim if the victim is in compliance with the demands. A player must allow their victim enough time to comply with the demands. If a player informs you that your VOIP isn’t working, you must either fix your VOIP using appropriate commands or use text to deliver your demand(s). Vehicles cannot be used to attack another player more than once including a failed attempt. Attacking another player with no engagement in roleplay is not allowed. Killing a player that has obeyed all orders and demands during a roleplay situation is allowed, with roleplay, only within 3 hours of: Severe hostile or criminal action is taken against you, e.g. someone is robbing you at gunpoint. (Excluding police aiming a gun at you.) Someone is attempting to take your life. Someone is attempting to take the life of your close friend or ally, or if you have witnessed it happen. You must explain your reason to kill to the player IC and have OOC evidence proving your reason. How did the player break the rule(s)? One of our friends has just been robbed by the reported party, after finding them they got out of their vehicles and ran into an alley. After going arround the alley they ran out and started shooting without any interaction, they said hands and less than a second later they started shooting. We where inside a vehicle with the windows closed and would not be able to hear them. Evidence of rule breach: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vova Tarkov Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) Suspect, ID - 16. To start off the description of the whole situations I would like to ask to upload a longer video to show how we all got there. If you will provide the footage then it will be clear that you were chasin ID 163 for some time and we made a trap for you in the alley, so it was not just a blunt attack for no reason. Secondly, let me explain what happened at that moment from my point of view. As you can see in the footage then we all are deep inside the alley way and what I could see from there is an individual in a white suite aiming in our directions and a white comet in the background. I could not see the ID's of none of the white suit players, therefore I could not even metagame how many people were there, therefore I had no idea there was a passenger in the comet already. Next thing I see is the individual who just aimed at us, therefore showing means of trying to hurt us, which gives any of us in the alley a valid reason to attack as stated per DM rules, runing back towards the car which is turning around at that moment. Then is the blind spot that we don't see, what we see in the video where the car goes around the corner to approach the other alley exit where we were running to. At that point it was assumed that the individual who held us at gunpoint, jumped in the car and drove with the driver around the corner, therefore we were under assumtion that we had valid reason to open fire. Clearly with the reporters POV it is obvious that it was not the case and I see it now as well. Yet again it was unintentional breach of the rules and I hope the administration can understand how it might have happened from my explenation of the situation from my POV. Here are screenshots of what I thought happened, showing and proving that it was not a crazy or impossible assumption that happened. Edited August 25, 2019 by Vova Tarkov 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack McCabe Posted August 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) Thank you for replying Vova, The vehicle had 2 people inside when I came up to my friend to see what was going on, that would mean that its not possible that the man pointing the weapon at you could get inside the vehicle, especialy within this short time frame. Also, I was in a vehicle with a loud engine with the windows rolled up (See the video for evidence), I should not be able to hear any demands. The fact that you just started shooting at any white car would mean that if anyone with a white car came close you think you have the right to kill him? Even if I heared your commands through the window and car noise, you gave me no time to respond to the demands made. Also, the driver was not under FearRP, as his vehicle had his engine on and was ready to drive, that means that they do not need to follow any demands made, especialy someone who was just a passenger that had no choice to be in the situation. Quote Examples (but not limited to), where your character’s life is NOT considered to be in direct danger: • When you are in a car which engine is not stalled. • When you have a firearm drawn and are facing the other person before they attacked. • When the attacker’s view is obstructed by an object or when they turn their back on you. Quote Examples of valid reasons to attack another player: • If they attempt to arrest or hurt you, an ally, or damage your property. • If they report you to the police for a serious crime. • If they are not in compliance with demands, attempt to escape, or call other players for help in a situation where they are required to display fear under fear roleplay rules. A player must allow their victim enough time to comply with the demands. Edited August 25, 2019 by Jack McCabe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vova Tarkov Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 I do understand your point of view and situation as we can all clearly see it in the video, but it seems that you're failing to understand what I explained. You said that there was no time to get in the vehicle? There was enough time to get into the vehicle. Also I mentioned that I did not see that there was a passenger in the car already. Besides I never said the driver was under fear RP, but also the driver was not shot at no point of that situations. And you did a great job quoting the rules, so you should understand what I said about us having a valid reason thinking that you was actually the guy who aimed at us, giving the valid reason to attack as he did show means of harming me and my allies. And if you want to be very pin-pointy about the windows then in the footage we can see that the whole back window is gone, so is the back side window on your side. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawnkoh Posted August 28, 2019 Report Share Posted August 28, 2019 PLAYER REPORT PENDING RESPONSES Thank you for your patience while this report is under review. After reviewing this report and the evidence attached to it, I have decided that this report cannot be concluded at this time. The following players will be required to provide their side of the story from this situation within the next twenty-four (24) hours: [Jack_McCabe [ID #123]] - [ @Jack McCabe ] - I'd like to see a longer version of this video. May I see what led up to this? [Vova_Tarkov [ID #16]] - [ @Vova Tarkov ] - Do you have your own video of this event? Did you have any prior interaction with the two individuals in the comet? Had they received any valid demands prior to this incident? [Dmitrij_Alexandrovic [ID #163]] - [ @DarkGrape ] - As I slowed down the video I noticed a muzzle flash coming from your gun, Why did you shoot at the comet? If the players above fail to respond to this report within the next twenty-four (24) hours, this report will be concluded based on the evidence that has already been provided, to the best of our ability. Regards, Brawnkoh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkGrape Posted August 28, 2019 Report Share Posted August 28, 2019 @Brawnkoh I shot at the car not the person, to stall it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawnkoh Posted August 28, 2019 Report Share Posted August 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, DarkGrape said: @Brawnkoh I shot at the car not the person, to stall it. Did you have any prior interactions with the 2 individuals in the car, and do you have any video associated with this situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkGrape Posted August 28, 2019 Report Share Posted August 28, 2019 Just now, Brawnkoh said: Did you have any prior interactions with the 2 individuals in the car, and do you have any video associated with this situation? I don't have any evidence, but a guy name Deniro he is in the gang, shouted stop because I was lurking around his house, but I didnt stop since he didn't even have a gun in his hand, he said it in chat, I think you can check the chat logs and I also told the people who followed me (comet and another bike) to f*** off or they will die, but then a bike, retro came, pulled a gun at us at the alleyway, but that's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack McCabe Posted August 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2019 @Brawnkoh I've deleted the footage after uploading, as I keep my recordings for 48 hours. Also I dont think it recorded much of it prior and was mostly me being injured / being at hospital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawnkoh Posted August 29, 2019 Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 PLAYER REPORT ACCEPTED Thank you for your patience while this report was under review. After reviewing this report and evidence attached to it, I've decided to accept this report and issue the punishments to the following players: [Dmitrij_Alexandrovic [ID #163]] - [Deathmatching] - [Offense #7] - [Shooting at a vehicle when passengers are not under FearRP] [Vova_Tarkov [ID #16]] - [Deathmatching] - [Offense #1] - [Shooting at a vehicle when passengers are not under FearRP] Quick summary here, our rules state that to open fire on vehicle the passengers must be under direct FearRP. Since their engine was not stalled, they were not under FearRP based on the current rule set. I understand how the situation could have been confusing, and in high pressure situations like that it's easy to make mistakes. But it is your responsibility to ensure you do not mix up who you are shooting at, and who is shooting at you. When slowing the video down frame by frame, I saw a tracer come from the gun of Vova_Tarkov and hit the white comet. I also saw a muzzle flash from a desync'd character which led me to believe that Dmitrij_Alexandrovic also fired a shot into the Comet. This was confirmed by his own admission. Both of you will be receiving DM punishments. If you have received a punishment that you disagree with, feel free to file a punishment appeal following the punishment appeal guidelines and format. If the reporting party suffered a loss greater than $25,000 in value, feel free to file a refund request following the refund request guidelines and format. Regards, Brawnkoh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
