kenichis Posted August 24, 2019 Report Share Posted August 24, 2019 Player(s) being reported: ID 54 Date of interaction reported: 8/24/2019 Unix time stamp from HUD: 1566638017 Your characters name: Alexander_Johan Other player(s) involved: Revelt_DeOrtiz (ID 17), ID 62 Specific rule(s) broken: 13. Fear Roleplay (FRP) Fear roleplay is the concept of roleplaying fear for your character’s safety and life. Examples (but not limited to), where your character’s life is considered to be in direct danger: • When you are on foot or bike and a weapon is aimed at you at close range. • When you’re in a vehicle that is stalled or turned off and a weapon is aimed at you close range. • When the attacker lowers their weapon to type or roleplay, your life remains in direct danger. • Driving a vehicle in an active shootout more than once without the intent of protecting a friend, fleeing with it, or using it as cover. Examples (but not limited to), where your character’s life is NOT considered to be in direct danger: • When you are in a car which engine is not stalled. • When you have a firearm drawn and are facing the other person before they attacked. • When the attacker’s view is obstructed by an object or when they turn their back on you. As a victim, whose life is in direct danger: • You must display reasonable value for your life and comply with the demands of your attacker. • You cannot call 911 or call your friends or allies to aid you. How did the player break the rule(s)? Previously in the day, I was rammed by the same Sentinel Classic and proceeded to report it to the police IC'ly. Later on (when the recording starts), I was working at the Bank and I saw the same car being juggled between people. I called the police to inform them the car is there and I told my friend and also a passerby that its a stolen car. I proceed to confront him and enter the car and tell him to go to PD now. When he didn't cooperate I pulled my gun using /me and RP pointing it at him with /me to make a citizen arrest. He tried to brush it off as me trying to rob in an NCZ and I confirm that I was going to turn him in and not rob him. He pulls off and even though I still am pointing my gun and I proceed to remind him with /do that my gun is still pointed at him. By the time he stops I told him to turn off the engine and exit the car which he did. What I did not expect is that as soon as he got out the car he started running which IC'ly I would still be holding him with a gun and even worse he pulls out his own gun. As you can see when he is running I have CLEAR view and was no longer obstructed by the car yet he still ran and pulled out his gun. He injures me and runs away. Later on he tries to rob my friend while he is helping me but the police came and he got away. Evidence of rule breach: ( video 1, shows the first interaction with him ) ( video 2, him returning to rob my friend ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScOpE Posted August 24, 2019 Report Share Posted August 24, 2019 So apparently from now on you can commit crimes in a an NCZ zone? Why the hell should I comply with your stupid demands when you randomly get in the passenger seat and start aiming a gun right next to the bank, what's wrong with you? I ran away, because you said exit vehicle, once I did you started aiming a gun at me, so I had a reason to kill you, I just played, like you didn't aim a gun to me, because that's not possible to do in a NO CRIME ZONE . Long story short that's it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenichis Posted August 24, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2019 9 minutes ago, ScOpE said: So apparently from now on you can commit crimes in a an NCZ zone? Why the hell should I comply with your stupid demands when you randomly get in the passenger seat and start aiming a gun right next to the bank, what's wrong with you? I ran away, because you said exit vehicle, once I did you started aiming a gun at me, so I had a reason to kill you, I just played, like you didn't aim a gun to me, because that's not possible to do in a NO CRIME ZONE . Long story short that's it its not a crime to do a CITIZEN ARREST because you STOLE the car and drove it into an NCZ. Do you think if someone has a gun on you the best course of action is to run with no clear cover ahead and also pull out your own gun? You still broke fear RP and if you think your justification was that it was an NCZ which is not a justification as I wasn't committing a crime you drove me OUT the NCZ which voids any protection that didn't even exist in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawnkoh Posted August 24, 2019 Report Share Posted August 24, 2019 PLAYER REPORT PENDING RESPONSES Thank you for your patience while this report is under review. After reviewing this report and the evidence attached to it, I have decided that this report cannot be concluded at this time. The following players will be required to provide their side of the story from this situation within the next twenty-four (24) hours: [Alexander_Johan [ID #45]] - [ @kenichis ] Why did you decide to RPly point your firearm at someone inside an NCZ, as well as give them no opportunity to RP back using /do Would anything stop me? or something of that variation? [Jeremy_Stones [ID #62]] - [ @Decom123 ] Why are you driving a stolen car in an NCZ? [David_Hill [ID #54]] - [ @ScOpE ] Why are you driving a stolen car in an NCZ, and why did you jump out of a car and run away while a gun was pointed at you, and then turn around and pull yours out and shoot? [Revelt_DeOrtiz [ID #17]] - [ @Revelt ] Why did you carry Alexander_Johan 2 separate times without using any /me's and /do's? If the players above fail to respond to this report within the next twenty-four (24) hours, this report will be concluded based on the evidence that has already been provided, to the best of our ability. Regards, Brawnkoh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScOpE Posted August 24, 2019 Report Share Posted August 24, 2019 so, the stolen car was not in ncz, it was not even near it was like near the highway to MD, I didn't jump out of the vehicle, they told me to turn off the engine and exit the car so I did so, but I didn't understand why he started pointing a gun to me while I was inside NCZ, because you can not do that, so I didn't follow fear rp because of that, and I had time to exit vehicle and once I ran away a little, he started pointing a gun to me, and I was quite far away, so I started shooting back, because I had a gun. Jeremy_Stones sitted in my car, so no one can steal it back, and I took my salary, and then he took his, and that guy Alexander got in the passenger seat randomly and started aiming a gun while I was in NCZ. That's the whole story, I have nothing to add, unless you have any other questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawnkoh Posted August 24, 2019 Report Share Posted August 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, ScOpE said: so, the stolen car was not in ncz, it was not even near it was like near the highway to MD, I didn't jump out of the vehicle, they told me to turn off the engine and exit the car so I did so, but I didn't understand why he started pointing a gun to me while I was inside NCZ, because you can not do that, so I didn't follow fear rp because of that, and I had time to exit vehicle and once I ran away a little, he started pointing a gun to me, and I was quite far away, so I started shooting back, because I had a gun. Jeremy_Stones sitted in my car, so no one can steal it back, and I took my salary, and then he took his, and that guy Alexander got in the passenger seat randomly and started aiming a gun while I was in NCZ. That's the whole story, I have nothing to add, unless you have any other questions. I don't think you stole the car from an NCZ, I was asking why you were driving it in an NCZ. Your friend states in video #1 at 2:27 "We just fucking robbed this car". This tells me both of you clearly knew this car was stolen. Why did you think it was okay to drive a stolen car back to an NCZ (the bank)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScOpE Posted August 24, 2019 Report Share Posted August 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Brawnkoh said: I don't think you stole the car from an NCZ, I was asking why you were driving it in an NCZ. Your friend states in video #1 at 2:27 "We just fucking robbed this car". This tells me both of you clearly knew this car was stolen. Why did you think it was okay to drive a stolen car back to an NCZ (the bank)? just to take our salary's we didn't think that the owner will be there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decom123 Posted August 24, 2019 Report Share Posted August 24, 2019 @ScOpE and i stole the car way before we came to bank. Is that even a rule that you cant have stolen car in ncz if it was stolen from somewhere else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawnkoh Posted August 24, 2019 Report Share Posted August 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, Decom123 said: @ScOpE and i stole the car way before we came to bank. Is that even a rule that you cant have stolen car in ncz if it was stolen from somewhere else? Grand Theft Auto is a Felony, and A no crime zone is an area where players may not commit any actions considered crimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valodia Posted August 24, 2019 Report Share Posted August 24, 2019 Well they didn't steal the car directly from a NCZ so your point doesn't make any sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawnkoh Posted August 24, 2019 Report Share Posted August 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Valodia said: Well they didn't steal the car directly from a NCZ so your point doesn't make any sense. Please do not respond on reports unless you are involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScOpE Posted August 24, 2019 Report Share Posted August 24, 2019 26 minutes ago, Brawnkoh said: Grand Theft Auto is a Felony, and A no crime zone is an area where players may not commit any actions considered crimes. We didn't commit any crimes inside ncz, we just went to the bank to take salary and go to high-end that's it. As I said we took the car not inside ncz, it wasn't even near ncz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revelt Posted August 24, 2019 Report Share Posted August 24, 2019 (edited) [Revelt_DeOrtiz [ID #17]] - [ @Revelt ] Why did you carry Alexander_Johan 2 separate times without using any /me's and /do's? I already check the video. and i know it was a stupid thing i ever do in the server. just because he break RP i take it as OOC death. First of all i want to say sorry because of misuing /carrybody and /dropbody include /storebody without any /me and /do. next time i promise not doing that stupid thing again and take it all as IC thing. thanks for your tag and sorry about it @Brawnkoh. Edited August 24, 2019 by Revelt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenichis Posted August 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) 1. My reasoning for doing so in an NCZ is because I know that the car is stolen and I wanted to make them wait for the police because I have already called them. I did not think that this was prohibited is because by definition an NCZ is where we are not allowed to commit crimes, what I was doing was quite the opposite. A no crime zone is an area where players may not commit any actions considered crimes. 2. I did not feel like following up with a /do am I able to because in all my previous encounters, if I RP pulling a gun inside a car I am never required to because they always comply because of Fear RP. In any case if he decided to follow up with a /me regarding his reaction to the situation I would of gladly followed along RP as thats really the goal of my actions, to do Roleplay. Rather he decided not to respond IC'ly but insists in OOC that I was not allowed to do so. Unfortunately the feeling was not mutual and he prefers shootouts compared to RP. Edited August 25, 2019 by kenichis Added NCZ definition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenichis Posted August 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 10 hours ago, Valodia said: Well they didn't steal the car directly from a NCZ so your point doesn't make any sense. I don't know if you realize or not but driving a stolen car is still a crime regardless where you stole it from therefore you would be actively commiting a crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawnkoh Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 PLAYER REPORT ACCEPTED Thank you for your patience while this report was under review. After reviewing this report and evidence attached to it, I've decided to accept this report and issue the punishments to the following players: [David_Hill [ID #54]] - [NonRP] - [Offense #1] - [FearRP] [Alexander_Johan [ID #45]] - [NonRP] - [Offense #1] - [NCZ Violation] I just want to thank everyone for responding here. It looks like all have given their side of the story. I want to explain a few things about my decisions here. Firstly, I want to explain to you all, even though a rule break is involved, you should all attempt to hold yourselves (and each other) to high standards of RP. This will not only improve your own experience on the server, but the experiences of the people you interact with on a day-to-day basis. I could infract everyone for these minor rulebreaks, but I believe verbal warnings will suffice for much of this. David_Hill and Jeremy_Stones, I realize you did not steal the vehicle from the NCZ. However, the NCZ is a no crime zone. This encompasses several things from attempting to buy/sell firearms at the bank, to bringing stolen cars. In the future, please take this into consideration. The reason why I have a problem with bringing stolen cars to the bank is this. Imagine you have stolen my car, now you are at the bank with my car and I see you. Due to it being a NCZ, there is nothing I can do to you. You could technically sit there, rub it in my face that you stole my vehicle, and I would just have to watch. If you were outside of the bank, the individual would have an opportunity to at least attempt to get their vehicle back on their own, without having to wait for police. Please take into consideration in the future NCZ are, as they are marked, no crime zones. Both Grand Theft Auto and Transferring of Stolen Property are crimes. Alexander_Johan and Revelt_DeOrtiz, I saw instances of minor Power Gaming in this video. Any time forceful actions are used with /me and /do (or scriptly), you must give the other individual an opportunity to respond and/or react to the RP. There are a few exceptions such as automatic /ame's. But even then, it's good RP to still use /me and /do. David_Hill, based on the evidence provided, you exited the vehicle while at gunpoint, and ran away. The gun was still pointed at you during this time, you spun around and pulled out your firearm. Our FearRP rules sate that when a gun is pointed at you while on foot at close range you must fear for your life. You did not do so in this circumstance. You ran in the opposite direction, and pulled out your firearm. Both of which broke FearRP. You will be receiving FearRP for this. Alexander_Johan, You will be receiving an NonRP #1 for an NCZ violation. You can not commit crimes in a No Crime Zone. Brandishing a firearm, and Vigilantism are both criminal actions. I processed the severity of the crimes committed, and I felt pointing a firearm at someone to harm them was a bit more serious that the stolen car in the NCZ. That is why those were verbal warnings, and this one will go on your record. Please take into consideration in the future NCZ are, as they are marked, no crime zones. If you have received a punishment that you disagree with, feel free to file a punishment appeal following the punishment appeal guidelines and format. If the reporting party suffered a loss greater than $25,000 in value, feel free to file a refund request following the refund request guidelines and format. Regards, Brawnkoh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
