MoistWheat Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) Player(s) being reported: Luna Skye ID 136 Date of interaction reported: 8/19/2019 Unix time stamp from HUD: 1566265465 Your characters name: Mack Tylar Other player(s) involved: Maynard Cornchowder, Dre Dizzle, ID 29 Specific rule(s) broken: 13. Fear Roleplay (FRP) Fear roleplay is the concept of roleplaying fear for your character’s safety and life. Examples (but not limited to), where your character’s life is considered to be in direct danger: • When you are on foot or bike and a weapon is aimed at you at close range. • When you’re in a vehicle that is stalled or turned off and a weapon is aimed at you close range. • When the attacker lowers their weapon to type or roleplay, your life remains in direct danger. • Driving a vehicle in an active shootout more than once without the intent of protecting a friend, fleeing with it, or using it as cover. Examples (but not limited to), where your character’s life is NOT considered to be in direct danger: • When you are in a car which engine is not stalled. • When you have a firearm drawn and are facing the other person before they attacked. • When the attacker’s view is obstructed by an object or when they turn their back on you. As a victim, whose life is in direct danger: • You must display reasonable value for your life and comply with the demands of your attacker. • You cannot call 911 or call your friends or allies to aid you. 14. Deathmatch (DM) Deathmatching is the act of attacking a player or their property without a proper roleplay reason. Examples of valid reasons to attack another player: • If they attempt to arrest or hurt you, an ally, or damage your property. • If they report you to the police for a serious crime. • If they are not in compliance with demands, attempt to escape, or call other players for help in a situation where they are required to display fear under fear roleplay rules. A player cannot kill their victim if the victim is in compliance with the demands. A player must allow their victim enough time to comply with the demands. If a player informs you that your VOIP isn’t working, you must either fix your VOIP using appropriate commands or use text to deliver your demand(s). Vehicles cannot be used to attack another player more than once including a failed attempt. Attacking another player with no engagement in roleplay is not allowed. Killing a player that has obeyed all orders and demands during a roleplay situation is allowed, with roleplay, only within 3 hours of: Severe hostile or criminal action is taken against you, e.g. someone is robbing you at gunpoint. (Excluding police aiming a gun at you.) Someone is attempting to take your life. Someone is attempting to take the life of your close friend or ally, or if you have witnessed it happen. You must explain your reason to kill to the player IC and have OOC evidence proving your reason. How did the player break the rule(s)? I had just rolled up to the gas station and was talking to someone I knew when the two cops shown in the video attempt to arrest me for an earlier police chase I was in. Even though I was not under the current FearRP rules because I was in my car with the engine not stalled, you can see ID 136 open fire on my car and I within the same second demands are given. Even if I wanted to comply with demands not enough time was given before she shot at us so I believe this to be DM. Evidence of rule breach: Edited August 20, 2019 by MoistWheat 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kazy Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 This is Biggy from the video. I also think the shooting happened way too quickly. I heard no demands and she started shooting right after Mack barely began to accelerate, but regardless, she didn’t give any demands before she started to take fire or give him any time to react. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakmeel Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 Hello and thank you for making a report. I would like to ask @Vallorz to give her side of the situation. Bakmeel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vallorz Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) Okay, so the other unit there said this was the same vehicle we were chasing earlier and was wanted for multiple crimes. I checked the BOLOs and we had their exact car model, colour and license plate on record and were believed to be heavily armed and highly dangerous, so use of lethal force was completely valid. If Mack wanted to comply, he would have not started driving. Him beginning to drive off and move away to escape shows he had no intention of complying and I shot his VEHICLE to try and take his tires out and disable the vehicle so we could apprehend the suspects who are believed to be HIGHLY DANGEROUS. I did give demands in voice but you instantly tried to felony evade, RAMMING the police cruiser and drive off which gives me the right to shoot. Plus if you so wanted to or decided to comply, you continued to drive off even after being shot at and having 2 of your tires blown out. So you had no intention to comply what so ever and was completely within my right to try disable your vehicle. Keep in mind, I chased this vehicle all the way into Los Santos, still not complying, and their buddies straight up ran me over and killed me. (Yes you killed me after all this happened when i pursued you down the freeway, so I did lose all knowledge of what happened there, however this is an OOC report and I am just stating all of what happened and I did not act on any of you after I died even when I saw you.) Also he was in a situation and chase from earlier, already wanted and had encounters with the suspects before. They were wanted and has BOLOs on them for multiple charges and heavily armed, giving us valid roleplay reason to aim weapons and shoot when they tried to escape. From what Mack is saying, he wants me to stand there and watch him drive off completely just in-case he wants to turn around and comply and completely let him go? Yeah don't think so. Edited August 20, 2019 by Vallorz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MoistWheat Posted August 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Vallorz said: Okay, so the other unit there said this was the same vehicle we were chasing earlier and was wanted for multiple crimes. I checked the BOLOs and we had their exact car model, colour and license plate on record and were believed to be heavily armed and highly dangerous, so use of lethal force was completely valid. If Mack wanted to comply, he would have not started driving. Him beginning to drive off and move away to escape shows he had no intention of complying and I shot his VEHICLE to try and take his tires out and disable the vehicle so we could apprehend the suspects who are believed to be HIGHLY DANGEROUS. I did give demands in voice but you instantly tried to felony evade, RAMMING the police cruiser and drive off which gives me the right to shoot. Plus if you so wanted to or decided to comply, you continued to drive off even after being shot at and having 2 of your tires blown out. So you had no intention to comply what so ever and was completely within my right to try disable your vehicle. Keep in mind, I chased this vehicle all the way into Los Santos, still not complying, and their buddies straight up ran me over and killed me. (Yes you killed me after all this happened when i pursued you down the freeway, so I did lose all knowledge of what happened there, however this is an OOC report and I am just stating all of what happened and I did not act on any of you after I died even when I saw you.) Also he was in a situation and chase from earlier, already wanted and had encounters with the suspects before. They were wanted and has BOLOs on them for multiple charges and heavily armed, giving us valid roleplay reason to aim weapons and shoot when they tried to escape. From what Mack is saying, he wants me to stand there and watch him drive off completely just in-case he wants to turn around and comply and completely let him go? Yeah don't think so. I was in a single chase before this that lasted less then 2 minutes where I did two laps around Grapeseed and lost you guys. Never once was I seen outside my vehicle with any sort of weapon (only had a pistol) and my passenger was unarmed this entire time so I am extremely confused where you're getting "heavily armed" from. The chase from before only involved the sheriff cruise, had he opened fire on me this report wouldn't be here but you were not seen at all during that chase until I passed you going down the wrong side of the road with your lights off. You didn't even turn around to chase me. Between the time the first and only demand was given me hitting the cruiser and you start shooting at my car all happens within 2 seconds of each other giving me absolutely no time to react to demands even if I was under fearp which I must tell you again is also against the rules. Yes from what I am saying I expect you to stand there and follow the server rules which say you cannot open fire on my car without me being under FearRP, which you did. Jay Gamble was banned for something extremely similar, I don't see why PD would get different treatment here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoistWheat Posted August 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 I will also add the part where you get laid out in the middle of the highway since you brought it up. Why would you hit your panic button and yell on the radio for backup 3 times while on the ground injured from being ran over surrounded by armed gang members? Seemes pretty NonRP to me but since you brought it up here it is. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vallorz Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) We had 911 calls and witnesses saying you were to suspected to be heavily armed from a call earlier before the first pursuit. As I said we believed you to be heavily armed which is probable cause to use lethal force. The first pursuit, I had my lights on but siren sound turned off looking for you, I did turn around and try to pursue you but was not able to catch up to you because obviously your vehicle is quite fast and you went out of visual within 5 seconds or so as I had to turn around and you were already going quite fast. We had multiple BOLOs and witness statements for your vehicle including license plate which I checked and your character description and suspected to be heavily armed and highly dangerous. You instantly tried driving off when I pulled my shotgun, you could have stopped and complied. I only shot at your tires and engine when you reversed, not at you. This was to disable your vehicle and get you out of the car which is very common for law enforcement to do. At no point would I have shot directly at you even if you stopped and got out of the car unless you withdrew and aimed a firearm. You had plenty of chances to comply, instead you rammed the cruiser and continued to try to escape and drive off. In response to the second part about using my radio and panic alarm. I spoke in our TAC channel while pressing N like we are meant to do when I was NOT be threatened by anyone or any gun. No firearm was aimed at me when I spoke in TAC or when I did my panic alarm. You all turned away to look at the other cruiser approaching and moved away from me and towards to other unit and lowered your weapons from me. I was in no direct threat and was not non rp when I did this. Edited August 20, 2019 by Vallorz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoistWheat Posted August 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 After rereading everything I would also like to add that I never was wanted, I had gone to PD earlier that day, after that incident and today as well and never once did /policedesk say I was a wanted criminal. I am pretty sure my passenger was not wanted at the time either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vallorz Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, MoistWheat said: After rereading everything I would also like to add that I never was wanted, I had gone to PD earlier that day, after that incident and today as well and never once did /policedesk say I was a wanted criminal. I am pretty sure my passenger was not wanted at the time either. Well we cannot charge people directly unless we get your license and completely identify (because if we just add your charges on from your licence plate and player ID, this would be metagaming). You can still be wanted though with no actual charges on your account. As I said we had BOLOs out for your arrest and multiple 911 call witnesses and were believed to be heavily armed. Edited August 20, 2019 by Vallorz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiceWeasel Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 Maynard here. As the entire world can clearly see in the first video, you got off your bike and aimed and started shooting before a complete word even came out of your mouth. Your buddy in the cruiser blocked Mack, and Mack BARELY tapped the cruiser. But fast forward 10 seconds and the cruiser legit rams Mack. Also, I was unarmed for that entire day. Doubt anybody had 911 calls out on us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vallorz Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 minute ago, SpiceWeasel said: Maynard here. As the entire world can clearly see in the first video, you got off your bike and aimed and started shooting before a complete word even came out of your mouth. Your buddy in the cruiser blocked Mack, and Mack BARELY tapped the cruiser. But fast forward 10 seconds and the cruiser legit rams Mack. Also, I was unarmed for that entire day. Doubt anybody had 911 calls out on us. I did clearly say "Stop Out the car" before I fired a shot. Even so, you still rammed the vehicle and tried to evade which is when I shot. You had no intention of complying what so ever. Well when you are hanging around with all your gang members who have AKs and Shotguns. It's hard to say who had what exactly. We just believed you to be heavily armed from the reports we had gotten. Doesn't matter if you actually had a gun or not, that is more IC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiceWeasel Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 You are saying "Get out of the car" while shooting... maybe watch the video again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiceWeasel Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 Is there any proof of BOLO's or 911 calls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vallorz Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 minute ago, SpiceWeasel said: You are saying "Get out of the car" while shooting... maybe watch the video again. I said it then you guys straight up started driving and rammed the cruiser so I fired. You driving and ramming the vehicle and fleeing is you not complying which gives me all right to open fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeah Posted September 23, 2019 Report Share Posted September 23, 2019 After watching the video and the responses I have decided: Skye_Luna / ID 136 | Will receive deathmatching #1 Under our current rules for deathmatching they need to be under fear rp for you to open fire on them if your reason to open fire is them not following commands. You start shooting them prior to any demands given. I cannot make out what you are saying in the video, but you are saying it as you open fire, not before. Therefore even if he was under fear RP that is not long enough time for him to comply to your demands. Report Accepted. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
