ID 105 (VDM)

[KrismeisterSG]

Player(s) being reported: ID 105
Date of interaction reported: 15/06/2019
Unix time stamp from HUD: 1560617361

Your characters name: Patrick Ferrera

Other player(s) involved: ID 67, ID 178.

Specific rule(s) broken:

14. Deathmatch (DM)

• Deathmatching is the act of attacking a player or their property without a proper roleplay reason.

• Examples of valid reasons to attack another player:

• If they attempt to arrest or hurt you, an ally, or damage your property.

• If they report you to the police for a serious crime.

• If they are not in compliance with demands, attempt to escape, or call other players for help in a situation where they are required to display fear under fear roleplay rules.

• A player cannot kill their victim if the victim is in compliance with the demands.

• A player must allow their victim enough time to comply with the demands.

• If a player informs you that your VOIP isn’t working, you must either fix your VOIP using appropriate commands or use text to deliver your demand(s).

• Vehicles cannot be used to attack another player more than once including a failed attempt.

• The act of killing a player with no engagement in roleplay is not allowed.

• Killing a player that has obeyed all orders and demands during a roleplay situation is allowed, with roleplay, only within 3 hours of:

  1. Severe hostile or criminal action is taken against you, e.g. someone is robbing you at gunpoint. (Excluding police aiming a gun at you.)

  2.  Someone is attempting to take your life.

  3.  Someone is attempting to take the life of your close friend or ally, or if you have witnessed it happen.

• You must explain your reason to kill to the player IC and have OOC evidence proving your reason.

How did the player break the rule(s)?

This whole scene started with the pursuit of the white jester who got helped from the white contender, ramming my vehicle, making me lose the white jester. I decide to switch my target, focusing on the contender, which I lose as well due to him going up mountains and off roading. I regain visual on the white jester so I approach him, seeing that his engine stalled. I make ID 83 step out of the vehicle and at the same time, for some weird reason, ID 105 finds us randomly and decides to come through at full speed running ID 67 over, who was not even the arresting officer, it should kinda be considered as DM, really. Then comes back for another kill, trying to run me over but for some reason ending up injuring his own friend. Speechless.

Evidence of rule breach:

https://streamable.com/xb4kg

[MEGN]

Thanks for making this report! @KrismeisterSG

Please be patient while we review the evidence. 

Kind Regards, 

Meg & @DimitriS

 

[MEGN]

Hey, thank you once again for making this report and your continued patience as we aim to sort this out!

After reviewing the supplied evidence and logs, we'd like to ask the following players to make themselves clear;

Player Mijan_Sorel (ID:105 @Mijan Sorel) - Why did you run over an officer who wasn't the arresting officer? Why didn't you engage in roleplay prior to killing the officers?

You have 24 hours to respond with your side of the story. 

Kind Regards, 

Meg & @DimitriS

[Mijan Sorel]

In the rules it states;"Examples of valid reasons to attack another player: If they attempt to arrest or hurt you, an ally, or damage your property". In this situation you were attempting to arrest my friend in which case I saw my friend stall his car so I turned around to check if he was ok. Then since I saw the cops pointing a gun at my ally, I decided to run him over as his intentions weren't to aim a gun at me or do nothing. Then seeing as none of them shot at me or did nothing and didnt cause a threat to me what so ever and continued focusing on my ally, I decided to come back and attempt to free my friend which in that case I failed and drove away. In the rules it's also unclear as if it's only one player or multiple players as the rule states; "Vehicles cannot be used to attack another player more than once including a failed attempt". Seeing as I killed the guy that was pointing his gun at my friend and the other officers didn't shoot or cause any threat towards me I thought it would be ok to come back and attempt to kill another player which I failed and then decided to leave. I also found it quite weird that a officer that just got rammed by a car would be able to scream at his buddies to "watch out" as I was coming back seeing as the officer had his back turned towards me.

[MEGN]

@Mijan Sorel

14 states - "Severe hostile or criminal action is taken against you, e.g. someone is robbing you at gunpoint. (Excluding police aiming a gun at you.)" What makes you think the police officer aiming at your friend gives you the right to run over the officers without engaging in any roleplay? 

Edited June 16, 2019 by Meggs_56

[Mijan Sorel]

I did roleplay before this whole incident as the person above mentioned and the cops were trying to arrest me but they lost us as the other person mentioned. Again if someone is trying to arrest me and my friend and are threatening my friend at gunpoint, why wouldn't I hit him in attempt to save my friend, afterwards how would you want me to roleplay a scenario ? 

[DimitriS]

On a side note, I'd like to ask why Player Elon_Musker [ID: 83 @iProDevon] didn't comply with the officers after he was being aimed at from two different sides?

[Mijan Sorel]

I mean he clearly complied with you guys seeing as he got out of his car and got on his knees ? A better side note is why is a dead person yelling commands or better yet how is he talking ?

 

[DimitriS]

I didn't see him getting on his knees, as well as that I don't see how returning back to the scene ramming the police officer and then killing your friend is okay. I am more concerned about this than I am for the officer who's yelling commands, would you like to explain?

[Mijan Sorel]

I mean you can read above the whole situation, my friend was clearly typing to get on his knees but for my part, there was a whole roleplay scenario before the cops lost us and I saw my friend had crashed so I came back to check on him and saw the cops surrounding him. In the rules it states; "Vehicles cannot be used to attack another player more than once including a failed attempt". From reading that I would think that after killing that player that would be that and then I could move on to the next one unless they would have shot at me and cause a threat or a reason for me not to come back. It's unclear as to why I wouldn't be able to come back seeing as none of those cops shot at me or caused a threat towards me making me not go back to the scene in attempt to save my friend. I messed up saving him and unfortunately killed him in the process trying to get the other officers. 

[MEGN]

@Mijan Sorel Can you provide any proof of what happened directly before this?

[Mijan Sorel]

Ya sure thing, my friend was getting pulled over so I parked in front of the cops and then so on; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xchGbp1R8QA

At the end of the video you can even see my friend crash.

[KrismeisterSG]

Could you post the same video but with audio now? Because I smell metagaming. This is the previous bit from my POV.

https://streamable.com/ljlo6

Edited June 17, 2019 by KrismeisterSG

[KrismeisterSG]

Your understanding of rules is completely wrong by the way. "Vehicles cannot be used to attack another player more than once including a failed attempt" means that if you try to run someone over with your vehicle and you miss, meaning that you don't kill him, you CANNOT, and i repeat, CANNOT, come back for another attempt to run that person or multiple people over. You've only one chance, that's it. You drive away or get out of your vehicle and ENGAGE in the RP, screaming something at us, and if we don't comply then you start opening fire on us, since most of criminals don't do this, just open fire randomly without saying a single word. The rule it's pretty clear.

From your reply '' It's unclear as to why I wouldn't be able to come back seeing as none of those cops shot at me or caused a threat towards me making me not go back to the scene in attempt to save my friend''. You clearly didn't even read the server rules.

Edited June 17, 2019 by KrismeisterSG

[DimitriS]

Hey, 

After reviewing and reading everything we have come up to the following conclusions.

First of all, as the rules clearly state you can't just circle around and go in for that attempt, in the rare case of you protecting your friend you wouldn't just go in and attempt to run everyone over, but you'd focus on protecting your friend. I don't see how running the officer and your friend, injuring him in the process a good thing. 
 

Second of all, there are ways you can RolePlay this. You could stop, use your vehicle as protection and start shooting at the officers, there are a countless amount of ways you can react in this situation but just going around and ramming everyone on that scene isn't one of them.

On the final note, Player Elon_Musker [ID: 83 @iProDevon] didn't drop to his knees whilst being told to by two-three armed officers whose guns were pointed towards his head. You've been given so much time to drop to your knees but instead, you decided to just stay there and do nothing. 

 

With all of the above being said, the following punishments will be issued:

 

Player Elon_Musker [ID: 83 @iProDevon] - Would be receiving Non-RP Offence #4 for Breach of FearRP. As well as a Verbal Warning to change his IC name as it's not following the server rules.

 

 

 

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Character names must be realistic and resemble real world names.

Character names cannot be names of famous people.

Having character names close to the names of real-life famous people is not allowed.
Feel free to contact a staff member to get your name changed. 

Player Mijan_Sorel [ID:105 @Mijan Sorel] - Would be receiving a DM Offense #1 for circling back and running everyone over on that scene.

 

Thank you once again for the report! @KrismeisterSG

The report is now accepted and archived!

 

Best Regards,
DimitriS & @Meggs_56