ID 40, 56 (Fear Roleplay, Meta Gaming

[Rekamon]

Player(s) being reported: ID 40, 56
Date of interaction reported: 6/15/2019
Unix time stamp from HUD: Didn't get exact screenshot, but it's in video footage

Your characters name: Tyler Rogers

Other player(s) involved: Draven Vaspucci, ID 40 and ID 56, ID 212

Specific rule(s) broken:

 

Fear Roleplay (FRP)

• Fear roleplay is the concept of roleplaying fear for your character’s safety and life.

• Examples (but not limited to), where your character’s life is considered to be in direct danger:

• When you are on foot or bike and a weapon is aimed at you at close range.

• When you’re in a vehicle that is stalled or turned off and a weapon is aimed at you close range.

• When the attacker lowers their weapon to type or roleplay, your life remains in direct danger.

• Driving a vehicle in an active shootout more than once without the intent of protecting a friend, fleeing with it, or using it as cover.

• Examples (but not limited to), where your character’s life is NOT considered to be in direct danger:

• When you are in a car which engine is not stalled.

• When you have a firearm drawn and are facing the other person before they attacked.

• When the attacker’s view is obstructed by an object or when they turn their back on you.

• As a victim, whose life is in direct danger:

• You must display reasonable value for your life and comply with the demands of your attacker.

• You cannot call 911 or call your friends or allies to aid you.

*POSSIBLE SUSPICION OF META GAMING AS HE WALKED INTO THE BUILDING WITH HIS GUN OUT AFTER CRASHING NOT KNOWING HIS FRIEND WAS GETTING ROBBED. THE FRIEND NEVER PULLED OUT HIS PHONE/RADIO.

How did the player break the rule(s)?

Explanation of how they broke the rule(s) here.
Draven and I were hiding in the back room at the Foundry, knowing there were two individuals selling ores. We planned on robbing them because we previously saw them go in and out of that same room. While hiding in this room, ID 40 entered the room and we proceeded to rob him. All was going good, until the man refused to hand over the cash that was found in his pocket during my partner's frisk, which was around 15,000 dollars. He told us that we would have to shoot him before he would give us the money. Meanwhile we began talking in out-of-character chat telling him that he is breaking fear roleplay. After a long duration, his friend stormed into the room with his gun out and started shooting. After the shooting ID 56 (the friend of the victim) claimed that he had crashed. However we suspected that they might've been in Discord because there was no way he would have known that we were robbing his friend if he had crashed. After drawing this conclusion we suspected that ID 40 was stalling in order to wait for his friend (ID 56) to show up and counter our robbery.
Evidence of rule breach:

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PART 2: 

 

[DimitriS]

Hey and thank you for making this report! @Rekamon

I'll ask you to be patient while we are reviewing the evidence, in the meanwhile I'd like to ask the following involved players a few questions

 

Player Zander_Chiola [ID: 40] - Why didn't you pay the full amount of money to Draven_Vaspucci [ID: 14] upon being roleplayed to? As well as that why did you respond to OOC chat in IC VoIP? In the end considering you have two armed men around you, one's aim being just a centimeter away from you, why did you decide to run away and get your weapon out to shoot?

 

Player Draven_Vaspucci [ID: 14] - Why did you PowerGame by not asking the opposite side whether or not you'd be able to frisk them, take their money?

 

Player Nicolas_Carson [ID: 56] - How did you find out that your friend is being robbed? What made you storm in with a pistol aimed at them?

 

All of the above-stated players have 24 hours to respond to the report, 
Once again thank you for making this report!

 

Best Regards,
DimitriS

[ZanderD]

My response to this is that I never knew how robbing really worked to be honest. I never knew what frisking meant until then.  I am still a new player because this is my first time playing RP. So, I didn't know they could see everything I had on me. So I was really confused and was looking up how robberys work in this server because I didn't want to give 15k away to people who might just be lying for the sake of getting money. This is totally my fault and I'll take punishment for it. I understand the rules of fear RP but never really understood the actual criminal/robbery side of it. 

As for responding to OOC chat in IC VOIP, it seems like he could've responded to me in IC VOIP and didn't really understand why he was using OOC for half the stuff he was saying.  

In the end, I took out my weapon and when they looked towards the door. I didn’t get up before my friend entered the door way. Shots were fired and we killed each other. Thats it.

 

[Biggab81]

Me and my friend were going to sell some ores , we saw them roaming around in a motocycle so we were suspicious i told him to go and ill watch his back from the truck then my game crash game back on the server and he still wasnt out so i knew something was up took my gun out start running inside open the door halfway and saw my friend on his knee then the video showed what happened after 

[Rekamon]

To respond to them, it's very obvious that you were talking in discord as Biggab81 or ID 56 clearly already knew that we were robbing him. Suspicion or not, you don't go running in a building with a gun out unless you know there's danger. To answer ZanderD or ID 40 if you didn't know how robbing works why would you deny everything we said and not respect the role-play what so ever. Also he says "I didn't want to give away 15k away to people who might just be lying for the sake of getting money." I have no idea what he is talking about who is lying? You had 15,000 dollars and we asked for it, no one is lying for the sake money. I would also like to say we would've have gained 15,000 dollars and I believe a combat pistol and 50. cal from them. Draven also lost all of his things because of ID 40 not complying to simple demands.

Edited June 16, 2019 by Rekamon
Grammar

[TheJABstep]

Hello DimitriS,

First I would like to thank you for taking the time to review this report. Getting straight to the point, if you would look at the first video entitled: Eclipse Roleplay Rule Breakers Part 1, and start watching around or before 2:13, you will notice I start the roleplay of robbing. Looking back, I should have used a question mark after "success", but to answer your question... ID 40 never replied with "Yes or Success." He just accepted the frisk. So, I continued to frisk him. I probably should have said in OOC, "please reply to RP" or something along those lines before typing /frisk 40 again. I did proper roleplay with regards to searching for his money as you can watch in the same video at 2:45. Also, to comment on ID 40's response, he did not have a "New Player" tag, so I just assumed he knew what was going on. I would have been a lot more patient or less aggressive with my OOC chat, if I would have known his inexperience with regards to how robbing works... but again, he did not have the "New Player" tag.

As far as my METAGAMING complaint, I genuinely believe they were on discord, and to be honest, ID 56's reply definitely does not help his case. It does not make any sense... I  just cannot imagine how ID 56 knew to come in that room with his gun already out. You can also see in the video, that ID 40 never used his radio or phone. If ID 56's situation were to have happened to me, I probably would have talked on the radio, and when I wouldn't have gotten a response, I would think my partner would need a voice-reset and go inside continuing our business. I probably would not immediately run to the back room where "coincidentally" the crime was happening with my weapon locked, loaded, and ready to go...

Also, I did not receive a notification for this forum, and I am not sure why... I'm am glad Rekamon brought it to my attention... (I fixed this issue)

Thank you,

TheJABstep  

 

Edited June 16, 2019 by TheJABstep

[Biggab81]

I mean you can react how ever you want you dont need to tell me how to react 
i knew something wrong was happening it doesnt take 5 mins to sell ores 

[ZanderD]

Just want to clear up the Meta-Gaming stuff. I literally met this person in game. We've never talked outside the game. To put it more clearly on what happened:

These people didn't show what happened the first couple of minutes before the recording started. My friend crashed waaaaay before the video started (As you can see there is only one number at the truck.) While in the truck, I noticed this when it said "Timed out" in the chat. So I wanted to sell the ores quickly before anyone came. Also, knew it was a crash cause me and him both crash ALOT. I sold half the ore before they ended up coming up to me with gun outside the forgery. They failed the first robbery because they didn't setup in time. I was able to get into my truck and get away before they even pulled out a pistol. I went away for around 3 minutes and pulled in again hoping they left. (As you can see in the video) I knew these guys were robbers but I also knew my friend was going to come back so I wasn't really worried cause we can handle a gun fight. So I went inside to sell the rest of the ore. When I sold the second half of the ore they surprised me, this is when the actual robbery and recording happened. I talked to my friend after the robbery and he said that he was looking for me for a long time. He went through the front entrance and didn't see me inside but he heard people from the back entrance. He then went to the back door and try to make a robbery happen and noticed I was there getting robbed. Once he noticed that he began to fire his gun and I got up to support him even if I died. I do not see the problem with this at all. After the fact, when the medics came ID 44 was screaming in IC VOIP at the medics and complaining to them on what just happened. It took him 5 minutes to finally decide to RP with the medics. He wasted time so that my friend would die and also got me very close to dying so we would lose some of our pocket money and inventory. 

[TheJABstep]

I am responding to ID 40 and 56. I have analyzed their sentences and compared the statements. Here is my verdict, and additional evidence provided for my allegation of METAGAMING.

 

First I would like to re-state the METAGAMING rule:

Metagaming (MG)

• Metagaming is the act of relaying IC information through any method not considered IC that has the potential to change current or future roleplay scenarios or using that information.

• Mixing IC and OOC information without any benefit is a minor MG offense. For example, a player uses IC chat to call someone by their player ID displayed above their head.

 

Let's begin with Biggab81's initial response to your question. 

3 hours ago, Biggab81 said:

Me and my friend were going to sell some ores , we saw them roaming around in a motocycle so we were suspicious i told him to go and ill watch his back from the truck then my game crash game back on the server and he still wasnt out so i knew something was up took my gun out start running inside open the door halfway and saw my friend on his knee then the video showed what happened after 

As you can read, he says, "...then my game crash game back on the server and he still wasnt out so i knew something was up took my gun out start running inside open the door halfway..." 

However, ZanderD's reply states something different, specifically...

1 hour ago, ZanderD said:

I talked to my friend after the robbery and he said that he was looking for me for a long time. He went through the front entrance and didn't see me inside but he heard people from the back entrance. He then went to the back door and try to make a robbery happen and noticed I was there getting robbed. Once he noticed that he began to fire his gun and I got up to support him even if I died.

These two statements are inconsistent. When and where did he talk to him? If it was in game (IC), wouldn't ID 56 (Biggab81) be breaking the New-Life Rule since he died and would not have remembered the situation and his search of the entire foundry? (He would not have been able to tell his situation to ID 40 (ZanderD).

New Life Rule (NLR)

• The new life rule is triggered whenever a player’s character spawns at a hospital. Players cannot force their own death.

• The deceased character loses memory of their death, the events that caused it and the information collected in that time frame.

• Example: A player is killed in a robbery. The player’s knowledge of the robbery, the robber and their death is not usable by the player in their new life.

• All parties involved must avoid interaction with each other for 30 minutes. A player must not return to the area of their death for that time frame or attempt to retrieve lost possessions from involved players. An exception is made for government faction members who may provide a faction duty service, though their memory being lost and inability to retrieve assets still apply

ZanderD also stated-

1 hour ago, ZanderD said:

I literally met this person in game. We've never talked outside the game.

How would they have been able to clarify what happened? Meaning, how would ZanderD be able to explain his IC friends situation on the forum, if they were not or have not talked on discord? Oddly suspicious...

Finally, I want to discuss the relevancy of the first few sentences of ZanderD's reply and the consistency of other sentences.

1 hour ago, ZanderD said:

These people didn't show what happened the first couple of minutes before the recording started. My friend crashed waaaaay before the video started (As you can see there is only one number at the truck.) While in the truck, I noticed this when it said "Timed out" in the chat. So I wanted to sell the ores quickly before anyone came. Also, knew it was a crash cause me and him both crash ALOT.

What ZanderD is saying here is completely irrelevant to the case and the situation at hand. I'm not sure the motive behind these sentences as there is no particular substance. 

Moving on, ZanderD continues to contrast his story saying...

1 hour ago, ZanderD said:

I sold half the ore before they ended up coming up to me with gun outside the forgery. They failed the first robbery because they didn't setup in time. I was able to get into my truck and get away before they even pulled out a pistol.

He stated that we approached him outside the foundry with out guns drawn in the first sentence, but in the third sentence he says he got in his truck before we pulled out our pistols. The statement is highly contrasting and false.

Considering the CONTRASTING STORIES, the movement of IC information, and Zander's contrasting statements. I truly believe Discord or some other form of communication, outside the game would have been used.

Thank you,

TheJABstep

Edited June 16, 2019 by TheJABstep

[ZanderD]

You guys threaten to report us. Of course we wanted to understand what happened with each other if we were being reported. Are we not allowed to talk with each other in /ooc about what happened? 

30 minutes ago, TheJABstep said:

He went through the front entrance and didn't see me inside but he heard people from the back entrance.

This is the only inconsistent sentence. He didn't mention this so its automatic meta gaming I guess.

Also, he didn't die, he crashed, how is that breaking new life rule dude.

What I said there is relevant because this would mean he crashed before the recording started. If you had half a brain, you could put 2 and 2 together and understand that he had to of be in the server while I was being robbed. MEANING we weren't having any other communication and he was truly looking for me around the forge. It's common sense.

I do agree that last quote was stated poorly. You guys came up to me WITHOUT pistols out and WITHOUT saying anything. I got in the truck and left. This was just to tell you guys that I knew you guys were up to some fishy business. I followed up with this saying that I left for 3 minutes and once again the recording started when I pulled in with the truck. Once again this is all to defend and prove that he was gone for much longer then what you guys are saying.

By the way, I'm done responding to this unless I'm told to by the moderator or admin.

Edited June 16, 2019 by ZanderD
He edited his post with extra things to say.

[DimitriS]

Hey, I'd like to begin by first thanking both sides for responding within the time frame.

 

First of all, 

@Biggab81 logged in and just a minute later he was already dead due to that gunfight, which was alright but I don't get the statement

Quote

he said that he was looking for me for a long time.

from @ZanderD as the whole "looking" of his lasted no longer than a minute. 

However, looking over all the supplied evidence and logs it's really hard to identify any sort of Metagaming for that particular situation.

@TheJABstep What Zander tried explaining is that you guys attempted to rob him once but you weren't fast enough so he was able to run away, so the second time they were suspicious of it happening again. 

 

Once again the evidence provided can't prove that the reported party did any form of metagaming, it's just statements that might be true, however, none of that can be confirmed.

 

Second of all, 

@ZanderD not giving them the amount of money after they initiated a proper roleplay command and requested you to continue the roleplay by doing /pay ID 15000 is a form of refusal to roleplay, as well as that saying "You'll have to kill me" is a direct breach of FearRP. They clearly stated to you in OOC chat you need to use /pay to give them the amount of money, you refusing to do so seemed as if you are stalling time for your friend to come and rescue you.

 

On a final note, I'd like to say that ID 14 @TheJABstep stating in OOC chat that your friend needs to take the stuff and leave is not allowed as it would be considered metagaming.

 

With all that being said I believe I have made my mind on the final conclusion of this report

 

Player Zander_Chiola [ID: 40] - Would be receiving a Non-RP Offence #1 for a breach of FearRP

Player Draven_Vaspucci [ID: 14] - Next time please make sure to include question marks as it really seemed as if you are forcing him to roleplay, and don't use OOC chat to attempt to make your friend do something IC'ly.

 

Once again thank you @Rekamon for making this report.

Report is accepted and archived!

 

Best Regards,
DimitriS