VDM 222 and 117

[Striax]

Player(s) being reported: ID 117 222

Date of interaction reported:06/14/19

Unix time stamp from HUD:1560480224

 

Your characters name:Oti Maxwell

 

Other player(s) involved: 

 

Specific rule(s) broken: VDM/DM

 

14. Deathmatch (DM)

• Deathmatching is the act of attacking a player or their property without a proper roleplay reason.  
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• A player must allow their victim enough time to comply with the demands. 
• If a player informs you that your VOIP isn’t working, you must either fix your VOIP using appropriate commands or use text to deliver your demand(s). 

 

•  The act of killing a player with no engagement in roleplay is not allowed.

 

 

How did the player break the rule(s)?

So I was Recently robbed near LSD, when my friends had a arrived to help me, at what point they started to leave heading towards stabcity. I ran grabbed a SMG, and got on my bike to follow them, we made our way to the tunnel near chiliad. Then a contender purposely smashed into me while I was tryin to let him pass, then another vehicle rammed me afterwards killing, all without any warnings or any RP involved what’s so ever.

 

Evidence of rule breach:

 

 

[domis]

Hello @Striax,

thanks for making the players report.

ID222/Fawad_Khan @Fuz and ID117/Amir_Evo @Evo9fq360 Why did you ram the reporting party?
ID202/Xavier_Sparrow @MohammedAli , ID149/Andrei_Skinner @Killerjd and ID133/Bobby_Escobar @Fizzy Why did you start shooting at people that were in Specter?

If you have your POV's, please upload it.

Players will be notified in-game and given 24 hours respond to the report.

domis & @Zemaitc

Edited June 14, 2019 by domis

[Evo9fq360]

Firstly, I am ID 117. No, this was not VDM, I did not mean to hit you at all, I literally was looking behind me. Furthermore, surely if I VDM'd you, I would have stopped to take your stuff or vehicle. As you can see I did not stop to check what you had. It was a complete accident and even after this, if you look in your video you can see me being hit by the contender which didn't go well at all. This just proves that I wasn't attempting to attack or hurt you, I was just clearly trying to get away in fear of my life, which didn't go to well as I go rammed by a contender. 

In addition, I didn't shoot you or your friends or ram any of you, I didn't show any intention to harm you or your friends, all I tried to do is get out of the scenario when I realised there's a risk for mine and my passengers life. Also, I feel it is pretty clear this was not VDM. I didn't even step out of my vehicle or say anything or do anything to intimidate you. Lastly, I do not like how you decided to PM me and say that you will not report me if I give your items back, when it was clear I did not take anything or attempt to take anything of yours at all. 

[Fuz]

Hi, thank you for the report. I am ID 222 in this video.

I understand why you would think this is VDM, especially when you lost the fight that broke out. But as this is a report on myself, it would be nice to see both sides of the story.
You may not be able to see from this video, as it was cut to a certain time, but the conflict started from LSD when we robbed the reporting individual. He then told his gang members to chase us up to threaten or even attack us hence we CONTINUOUSLY demanded them not to chase us or we will open fire, evidence of them hearing/understanding the demands @ 0:27. 

Now that you know the build-up of the fight, lets go on to the claim of "VDM" which I believe may just even be an excuse of dying. 

I was the driver of the Contender which hit your motorcycle in the tunnel. Now if we play the video to get a general picture, from 0:52 you can see I had lost control of the vehicle and in a bid to regain control, also taking in to account I had bounced off the wall even though it isn't as clear in the video, I did hit your motorcycle. But to say that is VDM is beyond me. I'm not the greatest of drivers, especially when I have just acquired the vehicle recently therefore still getting to grips with it. I appreciate your friends opinion on my driving skills at 0:39 and I fully agree, I am a "retard" for flipping the contender before we arrived at the tunnel (Sorry for doing it again AT the tunnel too) and yes, I can't "drive for shit". 

In NO way did I intentionally steer towards you to throw you off your motorcycle, otherwise I would have done it in a more discrete manner which would of been a lot smarter don't you think? As well as that, I did NOT return for your weapons or attack your friends because I had noticed I put you at a disadvantage because of my atrocious driving skills therefore making it only fair if I had continued and drove away. I hope you would of taken that into consideration before making this report but I guess not. A contender is not the easiest of vehicles to control especially after flipping it over and bouncing off the walls!

Now you may of wondered why I had said this report may just even be 'an excuse of dying'. At 1:21, you was crossing a bridge on your motorcycle when a pink sports/supercar intentionally steered towards you and hit you. Your reaction to that was "motherfu**er, you kidding me?" which shows your frustration to that ramming. So not only was it an intentional hit, it was also a sports/supercar used to hit you. So, because you did not die from that altercation, you didn't feel the need to report yet because you died from the tunnel incident where I clearly did not intentionally ram you, you felt a report would balance it out between both parties. But lets not go into that, it's your choice to report on what you want and who you want, right?

Now, you also stated within the report I had broken the DM rules.

- The act of attacking a player without a proper roleplay reason.

- The act of killing a player with no engagement in roleplay.

In your explanation of breaking the rules, you stated you was "recently robbed near LSD". Correct, by me. You then "grabbed a SMG" and decided to get on your bike and follow us. Now, we had a good role-play session in terms of the robbing, I hope you would agree. Nobody was killed and you was left to go on your way. Now who in their right mind would decide to follow the people that robbed them and not expect to be attacked. It would be nice if you role-played back and understood yourself that returning to us would not result in a sit-down and friendly hug. So, even if I did shoot at you for following me - that would also be reasonable because "grabbing a SMG" clearly shows you was looking for a fight and the atmosphere was already set seconds after the robbery. 

Saying no role play was engaged and claiming I have broken those results is absurd. Seems to me you are throwing rules around that would fit your report like a jigsaw without thinking about how your explanation or evidence fits with it. It's a mockery of the reporting system to just use it when you feel it justifies your death to your gang or friends. 

I did not intentionally ram you. I did not take your weapons. I did not take advantage of your situation as I had noticed my mistake. If the rule "Drivers of Sport Utility Trucks must be professionally trained and calm under-pressure", I will hold my hands up to rule-breaking. 

Thanks.

Edited June 14, 2019 by Fuz

[MohammedAli]

Hello I am ID 202

I don't see myself being reported in this topic but as I was mentioned by @domis, the reason for why the passengers of the Specter were shot is simple.

Player 51 admitted to listening to the demands of follow us and die, evidence is within the same video at 0:27. So, role-play was already engaged. The vehicle continued to follow us, clearly did not want to comply with the demands. Like 3-4 minutes into the chase, we saw them get out of the vehicle and saw our opportunity to shoot. 

I don't see myself breaking any rules as I had already initiated role-play with demands which was acknowledged by at least one passenger of the specter as admitted in the video. The demands were not met and the consequences for such followed. 

From @Fuz's response, I agree the reporting system is just being used to justify deaths these days. I like to play in-game rather than forums, but since we're picking at little details to report...

At 3:03, Player 51 used his radio to relay information regarding the shooting whilst injured and breaking Fear-RP. This went on for 10 seconds even though three of us had guns surrounding their bodies. Would be nice if Player 51 explained why he was not in fear of his life. 

Edited June 14, 2019 by MohammedAli

[Fizzy]

Hello I am ID133

At 0:27 you can hear Player 51 saying in radio that we threatened him and gave him demands but he chose not to follow or respond to role play. They carried on following us and they got out their car so we got out our car  which lead to the incident happening. 

Futhermore, I did not break any of the server rules as he clearly admitted that we threatened him and he failed to respond to role play

Edited June 14, 2019 by Fizzy

[Killerjd]

Hi there, my id is 149 Andrei_Skinner

in the scenario, i was driving the grey schafter v12 and i was with Xavier_Sparrow and Bobby_Escobar.

As previously explained it can clearly been seen from the video that there was previous roleplay @0:27, which the people in the specter decided to ignore, The person driving the specter was injured and decided to radio his whereabouts. He showed 0 fear for his life breaking the fear rp rule. Why didnt ID 51 fear for his life is beyond me.

Edited June 14, 2019 by Killerjd
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[Striax]

Right So if you watch the video at all, ID 222, who first rams me, has his Tires pointed away from me at 1:55, then 1:56 aims them back to, as for a bad driver? you had 2 FULL LANES to just drive straight instead you move your tires to directly hit me with 0 RP....Then ID 117, at 2:08, You swerve slightly away to try and not hit me, then Swerve back intentionally hitting me. As for you claiming "if i VDM YOU, i would take your stuff" well you smashed into me, then Drove to the end of the tunnel and turned around at 2:25 in my video...you nor ID 222, mentioned it being a Accident in PM's stating you had Reason to run me over, because you told me not to follow you? clearly that didn't happen so it became an accident. You both easily could have avoided hitting me, instead you both swerved to hit me, with 0 reason to do so....Also you mention why you shot the driver, but also what about the girl in the passenger seat, who sat there with 0 demands to her, and you KOS her, before she could do anything...There is 0 KOS on this server.

[Codypls]

Hi I'm id 51 in the spectre custom.

https://youtu.be/gIhxLUvdZDs

 

Is the pov from kat and myself

[Evo9fq360]

Hi, ID 117 here. I don’t understand how this is VDM, I didn’t threaten you or show any intent to harm you, I just hit you by accident in fear for my life when I was trying to save me and my passenger, which shows I was pretty right as I ended up getting rammed but survived and you ended up injured. I did not take any advantage of your death at all, it didn’t help me at all. I can’t understand how this is VDM? You can’t just say anyone who hits into you is VDM’ing you? There are many car crashes in real life, this is basically that. I was in fear for my life, I was trying to not die. 

[Striax]

The problem with that is, Instead of driving in a straight line, you turn your wheels purposely hitting me, then you stopped and turned around and came back? Taking advantage of the situation then killing my friend who looted me?

 

i don’t understand how you both seem to act like you leave, but at the end of his video you are both right back near my body lol

Edited June 15, 2019 by Striax

[Evo9fq360]

10 minutes ago, Striax said:

The problem with that is, Instead of driving in a straight line, you turn your wheels purposely hitting me, then you stopped and turned around and came back? Taking advantage of the situation then killing my friend who looted me?

Well, you see the problem there is that 1: I never got a gun out 2: I never even stepped out of my vehicle. I’ve said before it was an accident and I didn’t take any advantage of your death, I was clearly trying to survive, which I did. That isn’t VDM. Since, you thought I ‘killed your friend’ I guess you thought that I did something wrong. 

[MohammedAli]

From the responses of the reporters, I can clearly see the accusation is clearly misunderstood. Further proving the reason to report is completely out of line and just a reason to justify the death or even balance things between both parties. A joke.

@Striax : "you had 2 FULL LANES to just drive straight instead you move your tires to directly hit me with 0 RP"

22 hours ago, Fuz said:

I had lost control of the vehicle and in a bid to regain control, also taking in to account I had bounced off the wall

Clearly ignored Fuz's response and the fact that the Contender flipped over and bounced off the walls trying to regain control - You got hit in a narrow tunnel and shout VDM. How surprising. 

@Striax : "well you smashed into me, then Drove to the end of the tunnel and turned around at 2:25 in my video." - "then you stopped and turned around and came back" - "at the end of his video you are both right back near my body lol"

This is the most amusing. You complained @Evo9fq360 VDM'd you and argued that he returned for you at @2:25.

Please get your story together and this report as a whole because @Killerjd is the one who spun around and came back at @2:25 with myself and @Fizzy in the vehicle. Not the Sultan! Us returning wasn't even for you, it was for the specter following us prior to this. So the counter-claim of the Sultan ramming and returning for you and taking advantage of said VDM is completely false already. Once again, a complete joke.

@Striax : "Also you mention why you shot the driver, but also what about the girl in the passenger seat, who sat there with 0 demands to her, and you KOS her, before she could do anything...There is 0 KOS on this server"

22 hours ago, MohammedAli said:

I don't see myself breaking any rules as I had already initiated role-play with demands which was acknowledged by at least one passenger of the specter as admitted in the video. The demands were not met and the consequences for such followed. 

Clearly ignored my response. The evidence is in the video you submitted part of this report. I thank @Cody_Western for posting his POV as it provides further evidence of role-play already engaged, please view the video submitted in the replies @0:43. The demands were given and acknowledged by the driver. He put the passenger in danger by not complying with the demands. As far as I am aware, we did not only give the demands to the driver, but also the passenger so both were in danger as they both did not comply. 

You continuously used the line "0 demands" and "0 RP". Now this has become beyond a joke. The only basis of your report which would be reasonable is being punished for bad driving and being completely blinded to clear and acknowledged demands. How cool. 

I would also like to withdraw my claim of Player 51 using his radio breaking Fear RP rules whilst surrounded by multiple people that are armed and shooting. I am not looking to join the club of joke reporting and making a mockery of the reporting system. Leave me out of it.

[Striax]

hey bud idk if you saw Codys video....but you the contender and the other car are seen back at the scene?? Either way i will wait for a response from admins, i find it HARD to believe 2 people ACCIDENTALLY, run the same person over, then turn around and kill his friend while they are looting the person you VDM'd its sad, but i will stop posting till admins say otherwise.

Edited June 15, 2019 by Striax

[MohammedAli]

He returned when you all were already dead because we called him back hence he was no advantage to the situation.

He didn't even leave the vehicle! What are you trying to prove here? 

1 hour ago, Evo9fq360 said:

1: I never got a gun out 2: I never even stepped out of my vehicle. I’ve said before it was an accident and I didn’t take any advantage of your death, I was clearly trying to survive, which I did.

You are blinded by the real situation here and twisting this for punishments on fair role-players. 

[Striax]

Soo you dont think me Dying...as a result from you 2 VDMing me......Then your friends shooting my friend while attempting to loot me from being VDM was a unfair advantage? Would he have still been in that Situation if you Drove past without hitting me?

[Evo9fq360]

22 minutes ago, MohammedAli said:

He returned when you all were already dead because we called him back hence he was no advantage to the situation.

He didn't even leave the vehicle! What are you trying to prove here? 

You are blinded by the real situation here and twisting this for punishments on fair role-players. 

Thank you.

[Zemaitc]

REPORT ACCEPTED

Thank you for your patience and comments towards solving this report together. After reviewing the evidence in this report, I've decided to apply the following offenses to the following accounts: Fawad_Khan | (V)DM #1 |  Amir_Evo | (V)DM #1 | Xavier_Sparrow | DM #2 |  Andrei_Skinner | DM #1 |  Bobby_Escobar | DM #1 |  Cody_Western | FearRP, NonRP #4 |  Fawad Khan: You are steering your contender towards reporting party, it is seen how you change the direction of the wheels, also in the second video provided, you are attempting to ram the specter, after when your friends told them to leave and not follow. Were they following after that? No. Actually, you were the ones who started following and you attempted to ram the specter and failed pretty hard. Amir Evo: First of all, afraid of who? Fear for your life from who? White v12 are your friends, and no one else is around to even threaten, since the biker was not even near you before you injured him, second of all specter did not make any threats. Your explanation is really questionable. Thirdly, you had a lot of distance to check whats in front of you and not hit the man full speed, also no /b admittance to making a mistake and as you say it was not you who got the items, it was your friends though from v12 and contender. Just because you didn't pick up items doesn't mean VDM is lighter.  Xavier Sparrow: Shooting the player without a valid reason. Shouts from/towards moving vehicle are not valid in the first place. No roleplay was properly initiated before murdering him in cold blood. Andrei Skinner: Shooting the player without a valid reason. Shouts from/towards moving vehicle are not valid in the first place. No roleplay was properly initiated before murdering him in cold blood. In addition, the girl was sitting there in the car, posing no threat towards any of you and was just killed because you chose to that.  Bobby Escobar: Shooting the player without a valid reason. Shouts from/towards moving vehicle are not valid in the first place. No roleplay was properly initiated before murdering him in cold blood. In addition, the girl was sitting there in the car, posing no threat towards any of you and was just killed because you chose to that.  Cody Western: Talking on radio when the killers are on top of you is a breach of FearRP rule. Kind regards, Zemaitc * @domis retracted himself from the report since he is involved with the reported party in another report     You can appeal your punishment here: https://forum.eclipse-rp.net/forum/3-punishment-appeals/  Refund requests can be found here (25000$ minimum): https://forum.eclipse-rp.net/forum/70-refund-and-transfer-requests/ Locked & archived