ID 72, NonRP/Powergaming

[THNDR]

Player(s) being reported: ID 72
Date of interaction reported: 10.6.2019
Unix time stamp from HUD: 1560114325
Your characters name: Mikael Cowell

Other player(s) involved: Officers on scene

Specific rule(s) broken:
 

11. Powergaming (PG)

• Forceful roleplay that does not give the other player a chance to roleplay their own response is considered powergaming. Other players must be given a chance to roleplay outcomes of actions.

• Roleplay of unrealistic actions like super strength is another form of powergaming.

• All statements in /DO must be factually true in the roleplay as it sets grounds for roleplay.

• Roleplay is required before forceful server commands which may be used without consent from the other party if they are unresponsive and not typing for 30 seconds or more.

• A player cannot use the faction management script to destroy a faction as it is OOC.

• Government funded faction members must not abuse the salary system and must go off-duty when they are not performing their faction duties.

• 9. Non-Roleplay (NRP)

• Actions that are unrealistic or promote poor quality roleplay are considered as non-roleplay.

• Examples of actions that are considered as non-roleplay:

• • Swimming in water for an unrealistic amount of time or without a destination during a chase.

• Players who disconnect during roleplay must reconnect and inform other parties in order to resume roleplay. If you are unable to reconnect it may be excused after providing proof.

• In a situation where a player’s game crashes or the player is kicked from the server, they should be allowed to have the same advantages as they have had before their leave.

How did the player break the rule(s)?

The player was involved in a store robbery, which after he was chased and arrested. He went into the cruiser as asked to, and left it when asked aswell, as i needed to remove the cash from the robbery from him. After that he ran, which was fine because no roleplay was made to prevent it. However after he was tazed, i made a /me when i tried to grab his hand / arm to prevent him from running, he said yes in /do and i did the /drag command. However he apparently got stuck behind a corner or something since the script notified me that he was not in a close distance anymore. I turned around and saw him running. Even though the script failed, we still did some roleplay to prevent him from doing that. I would not have minded this if he even would have made a /me tries to run from the officer or something like that, but he just ran, powergaming the situation as he did not obey what he had stated in /do. Technically he would have been able to run from me, but again that would have required some rp since i grabbed his hand/arm. In my eyes he was abusing the "bug" the /drag script has that if you are behind a corner, it will dismiss it. I sometimes dont even use the /drag script simply because the roleplay made before it should be enough.

I pm'd the player telling he did wrong and asked him to return but he didn't want to do that which is why i now am posting it here. 

Evidence of rule breach:

https://youtu.be/GgApXd8xAMw

 

Edited June 9, 2019 by nixu211

[domis]

Hello @nixu211

thanks for making the player report.

Chris_Bridges has 24 hours to respond with his side of the story.

Player will be notified in-game.

domis & @Dqniel

[badbub101]

The officer typed "tries to look for cash" and "would he find it?" While I was reading and preparing to respond to this, you can see in the video the officer typed "attempts to grab hand. success?" before I had time to respond to the first question. I never responded to the attempt to grab my hand. The officer also acted like my "/do yes" was in response to the money question because he OOC told me how to give him the money. Because of this, I assumed I was fully in control of my character and thought it was okay to run off. There were also no guns pointed at me and the officer had his back turned. 

[THNDR]

I understand that there might have been some confusion what i asked for. BUT i asked the money question once more as you can see in the video which we can see you responding /do sure. Regardless you responded twice with /do yes or /do sure in the situation. You never told me about your confusion in the situation or after when we pm'ed. I also want to add the fact that you had 10-20 sec to reply to the first one, and when you didn't i wasn't sure if you were capable to answer or if you missed it so i wanted to make sure you couldn't run. I also asked the money question twice to ensure you responded positively to the roleplay which you did.

The fact that you didn't have a weapon pointed at you in the situation is completely irrelevant since this report isn't about fearRP and according to my knowledge isn't fearRP broken here. With that said it makes no difference in here.

Also when asked why you ran you stated "You didn't point a gun at me" and nothing to support your claims of confusion. You also stated that you were free to run, as i didn't use the script to drag you, which i did. You also stated "hope you have footage of that". This leads me to believe you were aware what you did wrong immediately when i pm'd you the first time. 

You never told me anything like this when we pm'd after this incident which leads me to question your POV.

 

 

Edited June 10, 2019 by nixu211

[badbub101]

Yea I thought I was doing /do sure to the money question twice which I did. The reason I didn’t tell u anything like this in pm was because it was before I watched the video and realized you snuck another question in before I could respond. 

Long story short, this could have been prevented if you didn’t overload me with RP questions so that you didn’t know which question I did /do sure to. There would have been no confusion

[THNDR]

 

3 minutes ago, badbub101 said:

The reason I didn’t tell u anything like this in pm was because it was before I watched the video and realized you snuck another question in before I could respond. 

So, you originally didn't run cause of confusion at the RP situation as you stated. You now say you watched the video and realized. 

This itself tells me you weren't overloaded with questions as you discovered it now, watching my footage. You're just trying to get excuses. You had 10-20 sec to respond to my rp, which after i asked another one and you responded instantly. Now on what grounds should i suppose you responded to the money question first, when there was new RP asked.

 

[badbub101]

7 hours ago, nixu211 said:

 

So, you originally didn't run cause of confusion at the RP situation as you stated. You now say you watched the video and realized. 

This itself tells me you weren't overloaded with questions as you discovered it now, watching my footage. You're just trying to get excuses. You had 10-20 sec to respond to my rp, which after i asked another one and you responded instantly. Now on what grounds should i suppose you responded to the money question first, when there was new RP asked.

 

You are basing your whole argument off of me having 10-20 seconds to respond when in reality it was almost no time. Also conveniently you edited your video so you can not tell the time between questions (the video starts with you asking the second question).

At the instant I ran, I thought I was perfectly in the right to be able to run. I only became confused after you started pming me saying you grabbed me.

[Dqniel]

Hello, and thank you for remaining patient! Apologies for the delay and the long wait. After extensively reviewing the provided evidence as well as taking the points stated in this player report into consideration, @domis and myself have decided to conclude this report.

Player Chris_Bridges will receive a Non-Roleplay punishment for Powergaming | Offense #4.

First and foremost, we would like to address the punishment of Non-Roleplay and the reasoning behind it. The main issue that arises with this situation is that the reporting party was given no chance to roleplay and or potentially change the outcome of the reported parties action. If you have engaged in roleplay in which the reporting party has roleplayed dragging and or holding you, then additional roleplay must be done to break free from that hold rather than simply running away. After reviewing the chat logs of this situation, it can be seen that you were given well over fifteen (15) seconds to respond to the reporting parties initial roleplay attempt of searching for the money, and i find it hard to believe that in this very moment you were overloaded with roleplay when the second time around that he roleplayed searching for the money, he was given a response within 5 seconds. I also find it hard to believe that the reporting party snuck in further roleplay before you were given a chance to answer, as you were given an adequate amount of time to respond to the roleplay, and when this was not done he moved on to roleplaying other things, as he should have and as is well within his rights to do so.

During your talks with the reporting party in private messages, you should have explained to him the situation from your point of view, rather than stating that you were allowed to run away as you were not required to act under the rules of Fear Roleplay and then encourage him to make a report on yourself. The sole action of the reporting party dragging you should have been a red flag, and prompted you to speak up and explain the situation as forceful server commands are not to be do ne unless roleplay is done prior. Even if this situation was one where you were overloaded with roleplay, you should have agreed to return to the scene and redone it rather than using confusion to your advantage (which is poor roleplay) and effectively ruining the roleplaying scenario. To conclude, i do not consider this situation to be a result of too much roleplay and i believe you were well aware of what you were roleplaying during this situation, and with that being said i will refer back to my initial statement of you not roleplaying breaking free from that hold but also not allowing the reporting party a chance to change or roleplay the outcome of the entire situation and say that your actions are in violation of our powergaming rules.

Thank you for making this report! @nixu211

Report is accepted and archived.

Kind regards,

@domis & Dqniel.