Reckless311 Posted June 9, 2019 Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 Player(s) being reported: ID 99 & ID 134 Date of interaction reported: 6/9/19 Unix time stamp from HUD: 1560094307 Your characters name: Alex Wexler Other player(s) involved: ID 99 & ID 134 Specific rule(s) broken: 14. Deathmatch (DM) Deathmatching is the act of attacking a player or their property without a proper roleplay reason. Examples of valid reasons to attack another player: • If they attempt to arrest or hurt you, an ally, or damage your property. • If they report you to the police for a serious crime. • If they are not in compliance with demands, attempt to escape, or call other players for help in a situation where they are required to display fear under fear roleplay rules. A player cannot kill their victim if the victim is in compliance with the demands. A player must allow their victim enough time to comply with the demands. You must give demands via text if used as a reason to attack as VOIP isn’t always heard. Vehicles cannot be used to attack another player more than once including a failed attempt. The act of killing a player with no engagement in roleplay is not allowed. Killing a player that has obeyed all orders and demands during a roleplay situation is allowed, with roleplay, only within 3 hours of: Severe hostile or criminal action is taken against you, e.g. someone is robbing you at gunpoint. (Excluding police aiming a gun at you.) Someone is attempting to take your life. Someone is attempting to take the life of your close friend or ally, or if you have witnessed it happen. You must explain your reason to kill to the player IC and have OOC evidence proving your reason. How did the player break the rule(s)? Players attempted to rob an ATM truck by ramming it. I think ID 99 is the one that rammed the vehicle. Neither made any attempt to type out commands or do any type of roleplay. No weapons were drawn when they got out of their vehicle, so I made the decision to reverse and attempt to get away. They proceeded to shoot at the truck while it was 100's of feet away. Then they proceeded to chase the vehicle and at one point opened fire without any interaction save for one instance of "pull the truck" while the truck was moving. Opening fire to rob someone without any roleplay interaction whatsoever and hence, should be documented for the new players that were involved. Maybe they thought that they could rob the actual truck of money? But opening fire on a person with no RP, is a violation of server rules as I understand them. They should've at least made some attempts to type, since those vehicles are not very fast, I would've seen a /shout. Evidence of rule breach: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domis Posted June 9, 2019 Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 (edited) Hello @Reckless311 thanks for making the players report. Ricardo_Suarez @maorkirma and Nino_Marks has 24 hours to respond with their side of the story. Players will be notified in-game. domis & @Zemaitc Edited June 9, 2019 by domis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maorkirma Posted June 10, 2019 Report Share Posted June 10, 2019 (edited) @Nino_Marks Edited June 10, 2019 by maorkirma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinoMarks Posted June 10, 2019 Report Share Posted June 10, 2019 Okay so it all started before this, guy who reporting right now have been cutting the video, before it you could actually hear us yelling at him to stop the vehicle or he'll get shot, he made an decision to escape from us, and after a good chase of like 5 minutes my friend started shooting at him, you've been told VIA voice chat many times to stop the truck or you'll get shot, not to mention you crying about getting out the car with the pistol with no rp involved, you do not need to RP pulling out a pistol because it's a weapon that's can be hidden on you such as belt pockets etc, if we had shotgun it's defferent story, either way he had his firearm already out and aiming at you plus shooting at you, so stepping outside and rp having the gun is simple retarded because he already had it pulled out and shot at you. I can't really see why would you bother reporting someone when you made an action IC and the other players made another action based on yours, which is running away from gun point robbery, obviously it'll lead to shootout against you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zemaitc Posted June 10, 2019 Report Share Posted June 10, 2019 @NinoMarks and @maorkirma can you provide an actual footage of said actions prior ? As I understand now it all happened while vehicles were moving and thats the reason you think its valid to ram and shoot the reporting party? I want to point out that demands given from moving vehicle are invalid and does not grant a reason to shoot or ram, especially an armored money truck with a small car like warraner. In addition, @NinoMarks, please keep OOC behaviour mature, we are here to learn from mistakes if they are confirmed and to talk about the situation without insulting each other. Kind regards, Zemaitc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinoMarks Posted June 10, 2019 Report Share Posted June 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Zemaitc said: @NinoMarks and @maorkirma can you provide an actual footage of said actions prior ? As I understand now it all happened while vehicles were moving and thats the reason you think its valid to ram and shoot the reporting party? I want to point out that demands given from moving vehicle are invalid and does not grant a reason to shoot or ram, especially an armored money truck with a small car like warraner. In addition, @NinoMarks, please keep OOC behaviour mature, we are here to learn from mistakes if they are confirmed and to talk about the situation without insulting each other. Kind regards, Zemaitc Understood, and I don't know if I even recorded the situation because it was simple an RP situation, about the shooting again I was the driver, and when my IC friend and I attempt to rob someone I would try to shoot at him if he escape or either ram his back tires to attempt to flip him like police does all the time in chase, the report member can upload the full video, he simple was cutting the video to show how he's "right in the situation" You can hear in the video aswell how we tell him to pull over or he'll get shot, I do need to check if there's any video saved from the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinoMarks Posted June 10, 2019 Report Share Posted June 10, 2019 (edited) I don't have any video recorded from the situation but I know for a fact it started in the city like 3 minutes ago this situation in this current video, the reporting party can upload it since he has it and not cut most of the situation for his own good. And no it all happend when he was in traffic light without people around him when we aimed at him at the first time and he decided to peel off, Please ask the reporting party to upload the full video and you'll understand the situation not half situation like it shows. Edited June 10, 2019 by NinoMarks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reckless311 Posted June 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2019 That's where it started on my video. There was nothing before this. No voice, no text commands, nothing. They are not being honest if they're claiming otherwise. RP without any RP, even this type of rp scene has rules that must be followed. I made a stop about a minute prior to this without any hiccups. 5 minute chase is actually 2 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reckless311 Posted June 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2019 Again, there was no voice or text commands given. I don't have a recording because it started on the freeway/interstate. I'm not sure why they think otherwise other than to get themselves away with violating server rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinoMarks Posted June 10, 2019 Report Share Posted June 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, Reckless311 said: That's where it started on my video. There was nothing before this. No voice, no text commands, nothing. They are not being honest if they're claiming otherwise. RP without any RP, even this type of rp scene has rules that must be followed. I made a stop about a minute prior to this without any hiccups. 5 minute chase is actually 2 minutes. Stop lying because the situation started long before this video, you simple cutting it out to stand out like we was wrong here, when to males driving pointing gun at you telling you to stop the car or you'll get shot and you attempt to escape you'll get shot, obviously you're "Not afraiding of getting shot at" so you will get shot at when ppl robbing you and telling you to stop, again I do not need to rp any rp when I pull a handgun since it's hideable weapon, it's in the server's rules anyways, it's not shotgun or M4, it's simple handgun that can be hidden inside clothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zemaitc Posted June 10, 2019 Report Share Posted June 10, 2019 Locked until decision is made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zemaitc Posted June 11, 2019 Report Share Posted June 11, 2019 REPORT ACCEPTED Thank you for your patience and comments towards solving this report together. After reviewing the evidence in this report, we have decided to apply the following offenses to the following accounts: Ricardo_Suarez | DM #1 | Nino_Marks | DM #1 | Both players: From the given evidence, you can see that Alex Wexler was just working and delivering money to ATM's, driving his route. Then he got attacked by the reported party by ramming and shooting. Reported party tried to stop the worker by ramming into armored car, try to give verbal demands and then shooting. Demands are not even really heard due to distance and they would not be valid since the vehicles were moving. Shouting demands in moving vehicle is considered NON-RP because no one would hear you in real life. Ramming with a car and not having a reason to do so is considered (V)DM because you are damaging someones property and you do not have a valid reason to do so. We hope that both players will reflect on this mistake and wont repeat it in the near future or ever again. Kind regards, Zemaitc & domis You can appeal your punishment here: https://forum.eclipse-rp.net/forum/3-punishment-appeals/ Refund requests can be found here (25000$ minimum): https://forum.eclipse-rp.net/forum/70-refund-and-transfer-requests/ Locked & archived Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
