Martin Lewandowski, ID 31 (6.3 Metagaming, 6.4 Powergaming)

[Cyrus Raven]

Player(s) being reported: Martin Lewandowski & ID 31
Date of interaction reported: 08/06/2019
Unix time stamp from HUD: 1560032326

Your characters name: Cyrus Raven

Other player(s) involved: Cleetus Sanchez & Audrey Sanchez

Specific rule(s) broken:
 

8. No Crime Zones (NCZ)

• A no crime zone is an area where players may not commit any actions considered crimes.

• Players must not disobey orders of law enforcement officers but are allowed to flee.

• The /NCZ command and HUD notification are indicators of being in a protected area although it is up to administrator discretion if your actions are in violation of NCZ rules.

• If a player uses the NCZ for protection the attacker must wait for that player to leave the area.

• Players may not go to an NCZ after engaging in criminal activity resulting in an ongoing chase.

 

11. Powergaming (PG)

• Forceful roleplay that does not give the other player a chance to roleplay their own response is considered powergaming. Other players must be given a chance to roleplay outcomes of actions.

• Roleplay of unrealistic actions like super strength is another form of powergaming.

• All statements in /DO must be factually true in the roleplay as it sets grounds for roleplay.

• Roleplay is required before forceful server commands which may be used without consent from the other party if they are unresponsive and not typing for 30 seconds or more.

• A player cannot use the faction management script to destroy a faction as it is OOC.

• Government funded faction members must not abuse the salary system and must go off-duty when they are not performing their faction duties.

How did the player break the rule(s)?

They RP'ed by doing  /me to get into the back of the police cruiser just to then jump in the elegy retro with no further RP. They also did this in an NCZ.

Evidence of rule breach:

https://plays.tv/video/5cfc35c343afe80bbe/pg-and-ncz


Note: You can't hear me speaking in game or on the radio as my playstv only has one push to talk bind, which is set to my teamspeak radio.

[Zek123]

Hey, Martin Lewandowski here, first of all, I did not break NCZ as you can refer to subsection 8.2 of No Crime Zones (NCZ) which clearly states "Players must not disobey orders of law enforcement officers but are allowed to flee." I had the ability to flee the police by running into the car that pulled up with an open door while I was handcuffed which would not constitute as NRP. In addition, one can lie in /me but cannot lie in a /do as it states in subsection 11.3 of Powergaming (PG); thus, everything was RPed correctly and if that was against the rules, you'd have to punish everyone because everyone does it so it's ridiculous.

For context, I RPed with the same officers and I got injured by the same officer who was in the video, the officer was driving a blown up car which is NRP and it was caught on fire; that's how i died by an officer driving a blown up police cruiser that was on fire, pulling up next to me and catching me on fire. 

There's the proof. Same officers interacting with me as you can see by the player IDs and match that to the corresponding video linked above from the report.

[Cyrus Raven]

Firstly, let's not mix situations, I understand you were upset at how the situation that led to you being cuffed transpired, but if you have a complaint about it create another report please. It has no relevance at all to my report and I would like to keep this report on track.


Secondly let me address a few points.

 

 

 

 

35 minutes ago, Zek123 said:

Hey, Martin Lewandowski here, first of all, I did not break NCZ as you can refer to subsection 8.2 of No Crime Zones (NCZ) which clearly states "Players must not disobey orders of law enforcement officers but are allowed to flee." I had the ability to flee the police by running into the car that pulled up with an open door while I was handcuffed which would not constitute as NRP. In addition, one can lie in /me but cannot lie in a /do as it states in subsection 11.3 of Powergaming (PG); thus, everything was RPed correctly and if that was against the rules, you'd have to punish everyone because everyone does it so it's ridiculous.

/me and /do are commands used to enhance roleplay and describe actions that your character is currently performing. I know the rules state that everything said in /do must be truthful, but this is mostly from an information gathering point of view. When we RP checking a camera and ask a player /do would the cameras show you on robbing the store, the response has to be true. However, just because this is specified, in order to remind players that then need to say the truth it DOES NOT mean that players can lie in /me actions automatically.

The following is a brief definition found in the roleplay guide for the server. These group of four commands are all used to describe actions or things that are happening to your character.  In essence, if you do /me ducks head and /me enters the vehicle while standing next to the back door of the police cruiser then it is expected that your character would get into the back of the vehicle, not just leave to a completely different car while someone is standing right behind you with no RP interaction at all. Saying ''everyone does it'' is not an excuse. That is why I think it is PG. I will gladly wait for admins to deal with this point.


As for 

 

 

 

 

50 minutes ago, Zek123 said:

Hey, Martin Lewandowski here, first of all, I did not break NCZ as you can refer to subsection 8.2 of No Crime Zones (NCZ) which clearly states "Players must not disobey orders of law enforcement officers but are allowed to flee." I

The NCZ violation was not for you, but for your friend ID 31 as he wasn't involved in the situation or detained and decided to commit a crime in the NCZ.

[Yputi]

Hello!
Audrey Sanchez here (ID 107).
Just giving my story and my POV:
As the process of stepping in took quite long due to the usage of /me's and pauses, I already had the feeling somethign was going to happen. I ignored it since it was OOC, the feeling I had. I was already quite amazed how perfectly times an Elegy showed up, also with its doors open, but I can not confirm if that person was already awre of your arrest before making our way to MD. As you did "/me enters vehicle", we all thought you entered the cruiser since you also ducked your head. The first second I thought it was maybe a MC, but then I realize that would be strange since that car even had its door open , ready to drive off. I happen to be in the NCZ, but I am not aware if the driver happen to be in a NCZ aswell.

 

Now some response to the comment made by ID 33:

 

1 hour ago, Zek123 said:

For context, I RPed with the same officers and I got injured by the same officer who was in the video, the officer was driving a blown up car which is NRP and it was caught on fire

I highly doubt physics would allow them to properly drive a blown up car. For me, the car was all fine and it was probably desync on your side. Also, this has not that much to do with the reason this report is made since it is about the situation at MD.

 

1 hour ago, Zek123 said:

There's the proof. Same officers interacting with me as you can see by the player IDs and match that to the corresponding video linked above from the report.

The picture you show is static. Me and ID 241 were not the officers who interacted with you on the original scene that caused yoru injuries. Actually, I even moved that blown up cruiser since it was all good to drive for me.



If anything is needed from me (maybe even footage) let me know, but I believe the original footage already represents the situation pretty well.

Edited June 9, 2019 by Yputi

[Xypint]

Hello and thank your for making this report:

The following people have 24HRS to respond:

@Kyle White Raven - Please upload and unedited version of your footage with audio. Our rules state we will not accept any footage with any parts missing including audio. 

[Zek123]

@Kyle White Raven It doesn't matter what you think it is. The fact is in order to complete the 'enhanced roleplay action', you would do the following "/me ducks into cruiser" then "/do the man would be seated in the back of the cruiser". This would complete the full action. Thus, not PG.

[Cyrus Raven]

13 minutes ago, Xypint said:

Hello and thank your for making this report:

The following people have 24HRS to respond:

@Kyle White Raven - Please upload and unedited version of your footage with audio. Our rules state we will not accept any footage with any parts missing including audio. 

That is the full unedited audio, the reason why you can't hear me talk in-game and on the radio is because PlaysTV does not have multiple push to talk keys and I don't record on open mic 24/7. If that invalidates the entire report despite the audio having nothing to do with the situation at all then so be it 

[Flucifial]

Hello, thank you for making this report. 

 

Reporting party entered a car with an open door and did not say /me enters cruiser, he said /me enters vehicle. Why he did this before, I don't know, however this is something you do not even need to roleplay.

 

No rules have been broken therefore no punishments will be issued.

 

Kind Regards,
Flucifial