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Pete Wright (Forum Report Outcome Appeal)

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Character name: Pete Wright

Admin who issued dealt with report: @DimitriS & @MrSilky
Date of report conclusion: 08/06/2019
Punishment received: N/A

Reason given for lack of punishment: "After reviewing the evidence and reading each response, we have decided to deny the report. ID 54 had valid reason to open fire on ID 68 as all he could see was a friend being held up at gunpoint. Once he had dropped ID 68, the man on the roof started shooting at ID 54 starting a gunfight. As well as that he saw an armed man dressed like them coming around the corner whilst speaking over the radio. That being so close to a situation like this is just self-explanatory"


Your explanation of what happened: We pinned a vehicle outside a house. The guy comes out and just starts shooting all of us without any engagement in RP.


Why should your appeal be accepted?: 

@DimitriS had a lapse in judgement on this one I think. He said "As well as that he saw an armed man dressed like them coming around the corner whilst speaking over the radio. That being so close to a situation like this is just self-explanatory". This is not valid reason to open fire on someone. You cannot just open fire on people because they're "dressed like them".

Here is a report that confirm this. "you said you got robbed by someone with the same outfit, but you can't just go round shooting at people that are dressed the same, identify your targets and be less trigger happy."

Would be great to get a second opinion on this one! 


Post any evidence or further details:

@CallumMontie I believe you have the most damning evidence. He just opens fire at you without showing any hostile actions. 

Original report: 

 

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You can see my opinion and footage in the original report. I also agree with Pete that the wrong decision was made by the people handling this report. 

I'd like to reference a statement made by Fain "You can't just go round shooting at people who are dressed the same" 

I had made no threatening actions towards the party, fair enough him gunning down my gang member but shooting me in the chest 3 times for running round a corner is blatant KoS in my opinion. 

My pov below:

 

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[Hans Nagasaki here, i was in one of the bushes]

Victim number one came out with a pistol on his hand, that's when a triad tried to hold him up and give him verbal commands, while in the process of that the second man with the ak47 comes out and just started to spray down everyone on sight without any RP or verbal commands from his part. we had the area surrounded there is another POV posted that shows a triad in a bush with his gun aimed as well at them victims being robbed.  the whole goal of this rp scenario was not to steal the car, but to lure them out of the houses so we can rob them and the house, there was never an attempt to take the life of the first man with the pistol it was just a hold up, that's the part where it's a bit confusing because the rule book does not specifically say you can shoot at someone who is holding up a friend, you can only shoot if they attempt to hurt a friend or damage a property but the RP scenario could not develop to that point yet where the victims could of figuired out our plan was to rob the house not the car, If the guy with the AK would of tried to RP and give commands and hold up the man holding up his friend the rest of the traids would of soon noticed and surrounded them and the two victims would clearly see they where heavily out numbed and would of had to comply with fear rp rules. I just feel the part in the rule that says "If they attempt to arrest or hurt you, an ally, or damage your property." needs to be tweaked with more information on people just aiming a gun at your friend trying to hold them up, because we where never going to kill that person or hurt them, only rob the person, but then the part of the rule which damage or property part would of had allowed them to shoot but the RP scenario never developed to the to that point because the AK man started to shoot first before he would of known our original plans from the start. I think the whole KOS rule was removed for a reason and it was to avoid scenarios like this, it just the new rule needs to be tweaked and more specific to the point if you can just shoot at someone for holding up a friend because technically that is not an attempt to hurt them to avoid reports like this.

 

14. Deathmatch (DM)

  • Examples of valid reasons to attack another player:

  • If they attempt to arrest or hurt you, an ally, or damage your property.

  • A player cannot kill their victim if the victim is in compliance with the demands.

  • A player must allow their victim enough time to comply with the demands.

Edited by gohena
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