KrismeisterSG Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 Player(s) being reported: ID 2 - ID 4 Date of interaction reported: 31/05/2019 Unix time stamp from HUD: 1559301774 Your characters name: Patrick Ferrera Other player(s) involved: ID 31 - ID 19 Specific rule(s) broken: 5. Hacking and Bug Exploits Players must not have mods, trainers or any kind of software installed that gives any advantage. Server bugs may not be used for advantage and must be reported on ECLIPSE Roleplay forums. 9. Non-Roleplay (NRP) Actions that are unrealistic or promote poor quality roleplay are considered as non-roleplay. Examples of actions that are considered as non-roleplay: • Cop Baiting - Provoking a reaction from emergency services without a realistic reason. • Mercy Killing - Asking to be killed by a friend (Killing a friend falls under deathmatching). • Unrealistic stunt jumping or the use of an expensive vehicle to ram into other vehicles. • Spawning a scripted work vehicle and using it for crimes or submerging any vehicle in water. • Swimming in water for an unrealistic amount of time or without a destination during a chase. Players who disconnect during roleplay must reconnect and inform other parties in order to resume roleplay. If you are unable to reconnect it may be excused after providing proof. In a situation where a player’s game crashes or the player is kicked from the server, they should be allowed to have the same advantages as they have had before their leave. 10. Metagaming (MG) Metagaming is the act of relaying IC information through any method not considered IC that has the potential to change current or future roleplay scenarios or using that information. Mixing IC and OOC information without any benefit is a minor MG offense. For example, a player uses IC chat to call someone by their player ID displayed above their head. How did the player break the rule(s)? We received a call through radio from Cadet Colonna saying that he saw ID 4, back again, running around inside the perimeter of BolingBroke Penitentiary. (We knew already that, he managed to escape before getting taken inside the prison). I started following the Cadet and he brings me up to this scenario where I see ID 2 trying to uncuff ID 4 through the fences, abusing of the script to allow him to escape completely the penitentiary. We don't know how they managed to ''meet up'' since every radio was taken from ID 4, potential MG. ID 2 claims to be stuck in animation when he was obviously picklocking ID 4's cuffs trying to find an OOC excuse to explain this situation. As soon as he types in /stoppicklocking, he hops on his bike and flees the scene. Already spoke with one of the administrators about this, to have a clarification if this was doable or less and been told that it's not, at all. Evidence of rule breach: https://streamable.com/ubq7w 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexalex303 Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 Hello, thank you for submitting the player report @KrismeisterSG. @MrSix (ID 31), can you please explain why you said "what an ass" oocly, disrespecting another community member? @scrubmuffin209 (ID 4), how do you justify having your cuffs picklocked through a chainlink fence? Was there any roleplay made to support this, if so, please provide evidence or explanation of such. @Harm (ID 2), how do you justify picklocking cuffs through a chainlink fence? Was there any roleplay made to support this, if so, please provide evidence or explanation of such. Could you also explain how you knew that @scrubmuffin209 was in trouble, and how you managed to locate him? All aforementioned people have 24 hours to reply or a decision may be reached without their input. Very Respectfully, alexalex303 and @punched Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubmuffin209 Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 (edited) how is it non rp to pick someones cuffs through a fense @harm even RP'd doing so if you want to check his logs. Its a fense which you can stick your hands through and not a solid wall. Its the same logic behind prisoners sticking their cuffs through prison bars to get them unlocked. Edited May 31, 2019 by scrubmuffin209 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubmuffin209 Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 we also met up by him driving by and seeing cops running around in prison and when they left he drove by prison again and saw that i shouted at him no MG involved. Also Harm didn't know the command to stop picklocking so as soon as he was told via PM how to stop he stopped and got on his bike not risking to get arrested sense RP wasn't paused and you would rather go straight to OOC from the first moment you have arrived. Not his fault you would rather type in OOC chat then RP arresting him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harm Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 (edited) I find it odd to have to explain this.... Now compare the size of the tools to the fence, lock pick tools are very small and the ability to use them from the other side of the fence is not impossible just cause he's in prison. There is no specific rule that limits the use of lock picks through an open chain link fence, And if there is where is it posted? Where is it stated that this is not allowed? Its not a solid wall, its not brick, its realistic and possible. Eli made multiple calls over radio, I was even on scene when the Officer (ID:56) was at the foundary and I would have helped him but i was stuck in a wall and had reported as you can see. I even reported. Not long after I managed to jump out and followed the locations Eli was getting and my game crashed as i exited the ATM @ bank. When I returned members on radio told me that Eli had been arrested, So I went to prison. I rode around the outer edge of the entire prison before Eli yelled "yo" (which you can see in screenshot) and thats when I saw him, sadly a Guard must have seen us. This could have been the best prison escape ever. I've blacked out the names of the less known Zetas to avoid metagame and here is a edited video of me doing full laps of the prison and i've blacked out the names to avoid the LSPD metagaming since they have metagamed that I'm in zetas from ooc infomation but I dont have the proof to make a complaint and I'm not including that to this complaint. I will make my own complaint when I can. I have no problem with pm-ing an admin with a full unedited video of there being no metagame and no ooc contact between Eli and I. If you watch the video near the end you see me go straight past Eli at the same spot I ended up finding him because I was too focused on the guard. and after this video is where I went back through the boom gates and Eli yelled "yo" https://plays.tv/video/5cf1c94432f0d92a0c Edited June 1, 2019 by Harm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrismeisterSG Posted June 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 (edited) RPwise, at least in my opinion, is not supported enough. Saying only ''reaches in the fence to unclip the cuffs'' it's really poor RP, most of all considering this as a real prison, there would be barbed wire at the bottom from one side and the other till waist level and on top of the fence. Only a kid would be able to fit his hands through a chain link fence, home made ones at least, but prisons have the same size I believe. Eli didn't even try to RP, maybe trying to laying backwards towards the fence or extending his wrists backwards towards Harm in order to make his job easier. I wouldn't personally be able to uncuff someone through these fences in this type of environment such as a prison. https://gyazo.com/1b36c691629abf7a8ea24cede14bb6ad https://gyazo.com/54e13742f40278bd43ac8c1cbf82e9e0 Edited June 1, 2019 by KrismeisterSG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubmuffin209 Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 i cant do an animation of leaning while cuffed and also those pictures you sent is nothing like the fence in the server so therefore we are only rping from what we notice thats on the server. if you dont want people to get next to the fence then bring it up with a forum report stating they should add a barrier of some sort to block it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harm Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, KrismeisterSG said: RPwise, at least in my opinion, is not supported enough. Saying only ''reaches in the fence to unclip the cuffs'' it's really poor RP, most of all considering this as a real prison, there would be barbed wire at the bottom from one side and the other till waist level and on top of the fence. Only a kid would be able to fit his hands through a chain link fence, home made ones at least, but prisons have the same size I believe. Eli didn't even try to RP, maybe trying to laying backwards towards the fence or extending his wrists backwards towards Harm in order to make his job easier. I wouldn't personally be able to uncuff someone through these fences in this type of environment such as a prison. https://gyazo.com/1b36c691629abf7a8ea24cede14bb6ad https://gyazo.com/54e13742f40278bd43ac8c1cbf82e9e0 How long did you want me to type /me for? long enough so you could see it and respond? So because a couple prisons have barbed wire at the bottom then you assume Bolingbroke Penitentiary does too? You showed pictures of a prison with barbed wire which is used for snowy and extreame wet conditions to prevent people from digging under the snow/dirt (which Bolingbroke Penitentiary does not have or need), As you can see in one of the photos. However here is a picture of a prison that is the only supermax prison in california,pelican bay. here is a few more examples of prisons that dont have barbed wire, because it's not needed None of these prisons have barbed wire at the bottom, because its not needed, just like the one in Bolingbroke Penitentiary. Edited June 1, 2019 by Harm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punched Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 REPORT ACCEPTED Thank you for your patience and comments provided for this report. After reviewing the evidence provided, I've decided to apply the following punishments to the following players: [Eli_Reece] [Non RP #6 and Metagaming #1] [We believe that pick locking through a chainlink fence is questionable under the best circumstances (i.e. when its roleplayed to the fullest) however in this incident when Eli quite literally did not RP anything just stood near the fence to have his cuffs pick locked shows a complete lack of effort and involvement in the RP which coupled with the intricacies of pick locking through a fence, makes it poorRP / nonRP. He will receive the metagaming punishment for his repeated "updates" in /f about how the situation was evolving while the situation was on-going. "/f lul im hiding in prison cops cant find me" "/f look at media" "/pm are you still looking for me?". Communicating this IC information through OOC means to your faction members who are trying to save you is unquestionably metagaming.] [Nicholas_Harm] [Non RP #2 and Metagaming #2] [Nicholas Harm will receive Non RP #2 because like Eli he put very little effort into what would be a very time consuming and tedious task, doing a single /me. /me reaches into the fence to unclip the cuffs. When the officers arrived, he complained in /b that he is stuck, then without any further roleplay jumped on a bike to evade. He said in the report "How long did you want me to type /me for? long enough so you could see it and respond?" To us that means clearly that he was not focused on providing in-depth roleplay to everyone, and only worried about getting caught. He should've provided more in-depth roleplay, taking more time to perform the action, and even then it might of been questionable, however doing it in a rush (from an OOC standpoint, i.e. rushing RP) because of his IC fear of getting arrested is not excusable. Nicholas_Harm will also be receiving Metagaming #2 as he is clearly engaging with Eli Reece's metagaming in /f and even asks "/f have you been prisoned yet?". This is a clear IC question asked through an OOC medium, while Harm was actively trying to find Eli and help him escape] Not happy with the outcome? If you have received a punishment that you do not agree with, you are entitled to a fair punishment appeal that follows the guidelines and format provided. Otherwise, the conclusion of this report is final. Did the reporting party lose any items worth above 25.000 dollars as a result of this report? If you would like to request a refund, you may do so within our refund and transfer requests section, as long as your request follows the guidelines and format provided. Regards, Punched and @alexalex303 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
