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Player(s) being reported:  ID 68 and ID 35
Date of interaction reported: February/06/2019
Unix time stamp from HUD: Global (UTC) time is 02:50 AM

Your characters name: Gregor Smith

Other player(s) involved: ID 108, 76, 7 and a few more.

Specific rule(s) broken:

"7.2.1 Deathmatch is the act of killing or hurting another player (or damaging their property) without a proper roleplay reason.
An attempt to break this rule will result in a temporary or permanent ban."

"7.3 Vehicle deathmatch 7.3.1 Vehicle deathmatch is identical to deathmatch, however, the rule explains how vehicles should not be used as weapons"


How did the player break the rule(s)?

They rob and killed 2 of my gang members then we start to chase them. In the end they hide at the Paleto Bank (NCZ) where I had a short RP with them. In the end I decided to leave the area and go back in town, when my friends start asking for help over the radio because they got shot and a few of them are injured. In that moment I decided to came back at the bank. They didn't had KOS on me, so I stopped the car and I was about to ask them what happen there ( and you can see that from the video ), I was able to type only "F" in chat and my car was stalled, I could not move so I decide to get out and to try to defend myself. In that moment they VDM me so I could not do anything to protect myself. Because they break the server rules I lost over 35k in game.

P.S. There was a guy who was talking in a different language. It was a friend on discord who was asking me if they got VDM or not. No information was used to take advantage of the situation. I didn't even answer. 

Evidence of rule breach:

Video: Thank you

 

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Hello, thanks for the report ID 35 here. So... As I explained to you in game, since you threatened to kill Phil and I. that gives us KoS on you. I'm amazed that you chopped out the 40+ minutes before this video to try and paint your story in the best light possible. Please upload the full footage of the whole situation so that the admins can see what actually happened that led up to this shooting.

What actually happened prior to this was we went to the drug lab, 3 members of vice tried to rob us, we killed 2 and one fled to Paleto. We gave chase to the person who fled, but ended up not being able to catch him since we were in the slow Journey (RV). When we arrived up north after failing the chase, Phil and I went to the bank because he had to afk for like 2 minutes and didn't want to be in public. At the bank around 7-10 members of Vice showed up threatening us and we went back and forth talking shit to each other. We tried to leave the bank once, and got swarmed by all of the 7-10 vice members ramming in their sports cars and shooting at us. We fled back to the bank and called the cops. It took about 15 minutes for the cop to arrive, during that time frame almost all of the vice members left besides Gregor Smith. Gregor and the cop chatted for a bit before the cop had to leave because there was an emergency about another cop being kidnapped.

After Phil and I got attacked and the cop left, Gregor said to our face that the next time he sees us he would be sure to kill us, leaving us to "swim with the sharks, in pieces." This is a direct threat on our lives and according to the KoS rule, a direct threat on our lives gives us the right to attack that person for the next 24 hours. Gregor drove away and about 5-10 minutes later is when his 1 minute video takes place. Phil and I exited the bank and shot down all 7 of the vice members that swarmed us. Gregor (as seen in the video) responds to his radio calls and returns to the same place he just threatened to kill us less than 10 minutes prior and we shoot him down. I'm confident that the admin handling this report will see that we had KoS because of your actions 10 minutes prior.

Onto your claims,

16 hours ago, Mr2Peu said:

They rob and killed 2 of my gang members then we start to chase them.

Your very first statement is already false. Your gang tried to rob US, we killed 2 of them and then we chased the last one down to Paleto. We didn't attempt to rob anybody, and nobody chased us to Paleto.

 

16 hours ago, Mr2Peu said:

In the end they hide at the Paleto Bank (NCZ) where I had a short RP with them.

You're leaving out the part where you threatened to kill us both, and where all of your gang swarmed us ramming with their sports cars and shooting us.

 

16 hours ago, Mr2Peu said:

In the end I decided to leave the area and go back in town, when my friends start asking for help over the radio because they got shot and a few of them are injured.

This is where your video starts, is there any particular reason you cut out the 40+ minutes of interaction we had prior to this? It's because with the full context the admins would see that your claims are bogus.

 

16 hours ago, Mr2Peu said:

They didn't had KOS on me, so I stopped the car and I was about to ask them what happen there ( and you can see that from the video ),

This is completely false, you told us you would kill us and "leave us to swim with the sharks, in pieces." This is a direct threat on our lives and as I explained to you in game already, that gives me and Phil KoS on you.

Here's the KoS rule: 7.4.3 KoS is allowed for these specific reasons:
• Your life was threatened in the past (ex.: in a robbery, a combat situation or a hostage situation);
• The life of your friend or ally is threatened at the present or if you have witnessed it happen in the past;

16 hours ago, Mr2Peu said:

I was able to type only "F" in chat and my car was stalled, I could not move so I decide to get out and to try to defend myself.

You typed F after you were already being shot at, you didn't type until you were already stalled. You're trying to make it out like you were just trying to have a friendly chat with us, right after you and your gang just all tried to kill us. You threatened our lives not even 10 minutes prior and flew to the bank to try and save your remaining gang members.

 

16 hours ago, Mr2Peu said:

In that moment they VDM me so I could not do anything to protect myself.

Phil didn't even hit you with the vehicle, he hit your car that you weren't even inside of. That does not constitute VDM. If hypothetically Phil did hit you with his vehicle, it still wouldn't have been VDM because the VDM rule states that if you have valid KoS on somebody, you can run them over one time and one time only. Phil backed up and didn't even hit you one time, thus the VDM rule couldn't be breached.

16 hours ago, Mr2Peu said:

Because they break the server rules I lost over 35k in game.

This is the real reason you made the report, you and your gang are just salty that you lost your guns. You didn't think there was a chance that 2 people could take out 7 of you and you decided to make a rage report without thinking it through.

16 hours ago, Mr2Peu said:

P.S. There was a guy who was talking in a different language. It was a friend on discord who was asking me if they got VDM or not. No information was used to take advantage of the situation. I didn't even answer. 

So you and your friends who also play on this server who's in the same gang as you just sit in discord together unmuted and you guys never talk about IC things? Him asking you if he was just VDM'd over OOC chat was the reason you started to return to the scene. Notice how from 0-15 seconds a player supposedly asks if they've been VDM'd over discord, then at 16 seconds another player is speaking a foreign language and you immediately rush toward the bank. Before anyone shouts on the radio that there's a gun fight, you get 2 of your friends speaking in a foreign language from 0-16 seconds which causes you to speed back to the bank.

I'd like an admin to get somebody to translate what exactly was said from 0-15 seconds, and then what the 2nd person said at 16 seconds (OVER DISCORD) that made him rush back to the scene before anyone else even spoke on the radio.

It's pretty clear that your gang sits in discord metagaming often. In fact, this 1:24 clip that you uploaded is just cut from a 10 minute clip that you trimmed and left on your youtube channel. In that 10 minute clip, your friends are talking over discord, you guys metagame over Faction chat (how you even got to be an official faction is beyond me), and whats even better is that in that 10 minute clip, it shows you threatening to kill us. Completely destroying your argument that we had no valid KOS. It's clear why you chose to only cut out this 1 minute clip, because the rest of your video would have shown you metagaming and contradicting yourself.

For the sake of the admins, I'm going to link the full 10 minute clip that you cut out of this and link timestamps.

Here's a 10 minute video that he used to trim this 1minute videohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxRBmnNmmgg

 

Chat log of where he threatened to kill me and Phil and leave us swimming with sharks in pieces:  https://gyazo.com/87e196651d2fd312f181f45e235b0e31

Faction chat metagaming: https://gyazo.com/39b91ab9f2288e57bb172f4a151fd90e
Just as a quick note for this, him saying in /f that they tried to get me arrested is giving IC information over OOC communications. Only 1 or 2 of the vice members were at the scene where the cop was. Him telling all of his faction members that are online that we tried to get him arrested is pretty major MG on his part. If he's comfortable uploading footage with major MG like that makes me wonder what goes on behind the scenes. If an admin feels so inclined to check their /f logs, i'm sure you will see a lot of metagaming.

Another instance of Fchat metagaming: https://gyazo.com/d83279d3d85562026b072452e18dd510
Player Edward Miles was ID 4, he was the first one that we fully killed before Gregor even showed up, he was fully dead and he decided to communicate over Faction chat that we had returned to the bank. All of his faction members that were online were able to see this. This is another major breach of metagaming rules.

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To conclude, Phil and I had KoS on Gregor because he threatened our lives. His gang had just attacked us, ramming with their sports cars and shooting. He knew the exact situation he was rolling up to, and for him to expect not to be shot at is absurd. I'd like for the admin who takes this thread to please request for him to upload the 30-40 minutes of footage that took place before this, so that they can get the full context of the situation. And I'd also like the admin who takes this thread to please inform them about the faction chat rules, and metagaming rules. Being an official faction is a privilege, and these players including the head of the faction are abusing that privilege, if they can't play by the rules then their official faction status should be revoked until they can play by the rules.

Just as a final note, @Dingus0 and @Archaeah both moderators of the server, took in game reports about this. Dingus0 stated already that he didn't believe any DM or NCZ rules were breached. And Archaeah punished several of the vice members because they were ramming in their sports/super cars.

Thanks.

 

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Hello there and thank you for your answer. 

I will try one more time to explain my point of view. 

4 hours ago, Dashingly said:
21 hours ago, Mr2Peu said:

They rob and killed 2 of my gang members then we start to chase them.

Your very first statement is already false. Your gang tried to rob US, we killed 2 of them and then we chased the last one down to Paleto. We didn't attempt to rob anybody, and nobody chased us to Paleto.

It's not false my friend, this is what I know from the IC content. I do have more videos regarding our interaction, actually I have everything recorded since I start to play, this is what they told me, this is what I know. If the situation was different, doesn't matter, this is what Gregor Smith knows.

 

4 hours ago, Dashingly said:
21 hours ago, Mr2Peu said:

In the end they hide at the Paleto Bank (NCZ) where I had a short RP with them.

You're leaving out the part where you threatened to kill us both, and where all of your gang swarmed us ramming with their sports cars and shooting us.

I was talking about the part when the cop came and we had a decent RP situation. As you mention previously what I said to you is: "next time when I see you both, I will make sure you will swim with sharks, in pieces" and based on the rule "7.4.3 KoS is allowed for these specific reasons:
• Your life was threatened in the past (ex.: in a robbery, a combat situation or a hostage situation);" there are the exactly examples when a KOS is allowed, no others situations are mention or at least "etc". Saying to somebody that you will cut him and trow in the ocean gives you a valid KOS...well then I have KOS on 30% of the servers players only in the last 24 hours. Since that is not mentioned in the rule book, you didn't had a valid KOS on me. In real life if somebody tell you that he will cut you and trow you to the sharks you will get a gun and kill him in the same day? About the gang members who rammed you with sport cars, fell free to report them, that have nothing to do with this report since I wasn't involved in that, so let's not bring them here.

 

4 hours ago, Dashingly said:
21 hours ago, Mr2Peu said:

In that moment they VDM me so I could not do anything to protect myself.

Phil didn't even hit you with the vehicle, he hit your car that you weren't even inside of. That does not constitute VDM. If hypothetically Phil did hit you with his vehicle, it still wouldn't have been VDM because the VDM rule states that if you have valid KoS on somebody, you can run them over one time and one time only. Phil backed up and didn't even hit you one time, thus the VDM rule couldn't be breached.

Based on the VDM rule, indeed you can hit a person if you have KOS on them, but again, in my point of view you didn't had a valid KOS on me.

4 hours ago, Dashingly said:
21 hours ago, Mr2Peu said:

Because they break the server rules I lost over 35k in game.

This is the real reason you made the report, you and your gang are just salty that you lost your guns. You didn't think there was a chance that 2 people could take out 7 of you and you decided to make a rage report without thinking it through.

That's true, this is the real reason why I decided to report you. Because I didn't had an option to fight back since you just DM me. When you start shooting at my car you couldn't even see my id, it could be a random dude who was in my car, you would still shoot him.

 

4 hours ago, Dashingly said:
21 hours ago, Mr2Peu said:

P.S. There was a guy who was talking in a different language. It was a friend on discord who was asking me if they got VDM or not. No information was used to take advantage of the situation. I didn't even answer. 

So you and your friends who also play on this server who's in the same gang as you just sit in discord together unmuted and you guys never talk about IC things? Him asking you if he was just VDM'd over OOC chat was the reason you started to return to the scene. Notice how from 0-15 seconds a player supposedly asks if they've been VDM'd over discord, then at 16 seconds another player is speaking a foreign language and you immediately rush toward the bank. Before anyone shouts on the radio that there's a gun fight, you get 2 of your friends speaking in a foreign language from 0-16 seconds which causes you to speed back to the bank.

I'd like an admin to get somebody to translate what exactly was said from 0-15 seconds, and then what the 2nd person said at 16 seconds (OVER DISCORD) that made him rush back to the scene before anyone else even spoke on the radio.

You have no proof that he's in the same game or in game, he could easy just watch the stream. The reason why I return to the scene is because they asked for backups over the radio, which can be heard and see on the video. There was only 1 guy talking in a different language, pay more attention at the video please and stop inventing stuff. I can help with the translation of what he said, and also there are a few more guys who can do it, I totally agree with that and I don't hide anything, that's why I wasn't afraid to post the video and keep the original on youtube. I knew in the end admins will ask for the full video.

 

4 hours ago, Dashingly said:

It's pretty clear that your gang sits in discord metagaming often. In fact, this 1:24 clip that you uploaded is just cut from a 10 minute clip that you trimmed and left on your youtube channel. In that 10 minute clip, your friends are talking over discord, you guys metagame over Faction chat (how you even got to be an official faction is beyond me), and whats even better is that in that 10 minute clip, it shows you threatening to kill us. Completely destroying your argument that we had no valid KOS. It's clear why you chose to only cut out this 1 minute clip, because the rest of your video would have shown you metagaming and contradicting yourself.

For the sake of the admins, I'm going to link the full 10 minute clip that you cut out of this and link timestamps.

Here's a 10 minute video that he used to trim this 1minute videohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxRBmnNmmgg

I have even more videos about that, and I don't have a reason to hide that. Regarding the metagame, it can be a minor metagame offense, but not for me. We didn't use any kind of OOC information against you, everything what you was able to see on the faction chat was said before on the radio. I do have a lot of proofs on that and I also have more footage about the situation what I can upload at admins request.

 

4 hours ago, Dashingly said:

Faction chat metagaming: https://gyazo.com/39b91ab9f2288e57bb172f4a151fd90e
Just as a quick note for this, him saying in /f that they tried to get me arrested is giving IC information over OOC communications. Only 1 or 2 of the vice members were at the scene where the cop was. Him telling all of his faction members that are online that we tried to get him arrested is pretty major MG on his part. If he's comfortable uploading footage with major MG like that makes me wonder what goes on behind the scenes. If an admin feels so inclined to check their /f logs, i'm sure you will see a lot of metagaming.

If you remember well, I said on the radio that I will not be arrested because they don't have a reason to do that, so I told them to stay back and hide. I have over 30 minutes of videos how we just sit there in bushes and watch over you, more than 10 guys. The guy on the faction chat asked me if that can be a valid KOS reason. it's a question what he can't ask IC, so I tried to explain to him that even if you tried to arrest me that doesn't give me a valid KOS on you. If you. I don't see anything different to happen in game because I said that on the faction chat, so I don't feel like it's metagame. 

 

 

4 hours ago, Dashingly said:

Another instance of Fchat metagaming: https://gyazo.com/d83279d3d85562026b072452e18dd510
Player Edward Miles was ID 4, he was the first one that we fully killed before Gregor even showed up, he was fully dead and he decided to communicate over Faction chat that we had returned to the bank. All of his faction members that were online were able to see this. This is another major breach of metagaming rules.

Please upload a video of him being killed first before he said that on the faction chat. I also have a proof of him saying over the radio with a few minutes ago the same thing. It is possible for him to misspell "/r" with "/f", it happen to everybody at some point. Again, he didn't offer any information what could affect you without your knowledge since our RP interaction ended when I was killed. If you have any kind of videos of being affected by that "major metagame", please upload the video and proof that.

 

4 hours ago, Dashingly said:

To conclude, Phil and I had KoS on Gregor because he threatened our lives. His gang had just attacked us, ramming with their sports cars and shooting. He knew the exact situation he was rolling up to, and for him to expect not to be shot at is absurd. I'd like for the admin who takes this thread to please request for him to upload the 30-40 minutes of footage that took place before this, so that they can get the full context of the situation. And I'd also like the admin who takes this thread to please inform them about the faction chat rules, and metagaming rules. Being an official faction is a privilege, and these players including the head of the faction are abusing that privilege, if they can't play by the rules then their official faction status should be revoked until they can play by the rules.

I wasn't there when my gang attacked you, rammed you with their sport cars and shooting at you. And yes, I have proof on that one too. First interaction with you was when I arrived at the bank with the ak on my back. 
I totally agree with you when you say "Being an official faction is a privilege", I know how much I worked for that to be accomplished, but you can't accuse the staff members about their decisions. When you said:

 

4 hours ago, Dashingly said:

(how you even got to be an official faction is beyond me)

I was thinking at the fact that you are trying to say that ECRP staff have no idea what are they doing or you just insult us. I need to think about which one it is, but anyway, I feel offended since I know how much time and work I dedicate to this gang. 

 

4 hours ago, Dashingly said:

Just as a final note, @Dingus0 and @Archaeah both moderators of the server, took in game reports about this. Dingus0 stated already that he didn't believe any DM or NCZ rules were breached. And Archaeah punished several of the vice members because they were ramming in their sports/super cars.

They didn't believe any DM or VDM or NCZ were breached because there was nothing wrong when you killed the other gang members who directly hurt you in game, as you said they rammed your car and shoot at you. Since I wasn't part of that action, and I wasn't involved when they shoot you or ram you, everybody should see this report from my perspective. Only me, you and your friend was involved. 

 

Regarding the NCZ part, I would like to add something what Flucifial said in a ban appeal:

"To begin with, after discussing the situation with ChuckM, we determined that your distance from the No Crime Zone itself was way too close, and we considered it still protected under the security of the No Crime Zone, which is why you received a Non-Roleplay punishment. The warning is just providing a reason to the non-roleplay, the non-roleplay is the punishment itself for the NCZ breach. 

And if what he said it's true, I have another video with you killing a guy next to the bank building. Where theoretical cameras can see you.

 

I will upload the full scenario and show the full situation to an admin at his request.


Thank you for your time.

Edited by Mr2Peu
I just notice random a ban appeal where the situation was similar and the guy who shoot close to the bank was punished.

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18 minutes ago, Mr2Peu said:

It's not false my friend, this is what I know from the IC content. I do have more videos regarding our interaction, actually I have everything recorded since I start to play, this is what they told me, this is what I know. If the situation was different, doesn't matter, this is what Gregor Smith knows.

Okay what "Gregor Smith" knows and what you report is completely different. Us robbing and killing 2 of your friends and then being chased to the bank is way different then your gang trying to rob us and us killing them. It changes the story completely.

 

18 minutes ago, Mr2Peu said:

there are the exactly examples when a KOS is allowed, no others situations are mention or at least "etc".

its called an example because its giving you a certain situation where it could apply. Not the only situations that it may apply too. 2 examples of something being KoS doesn't mean those are the only 2 reasons for KoS. It literally says if a player threatens your life then you may attack them. 

Flucifal, a well respected admin on the server agrees that it's valid reason in this thread here: https://forum.eclipse-rp.net/topic/13970-player-86-721-dm/?tab=comments#comment-67976

He states that a threat is a valid reason to KoS someone, but said that the threat "i'm gonna rip your head off" isn't really a good enough threat to KoS someone over. I'd say and I think he would agree, that saying your going to kill someone and dump their body with the sharks "in pieces" is valid enough reason to KoS somebody. Especially when that person's gang and that player had just attacked/threatened them.

18 minutes ago, Mr2Peu said:

Based on the VDM rule, indeed you can hit a person if you have KOS on them, but again, in my point of view you didn't had a valid KOS on me.

But he didn't hit you with the car. He hit your car which you weren't even in. He definitely had valid KoS as you had just threatened his life 10 minutes prior.

18 minutes ago, Mr2Peu said:

You have no proof that he's in the same game or in game, he could easy just watch the stream. The reason why I return to the scene is because they asked for backups over the radio, which can be heard and see on the video. There was only 1 guy talking in a different language, pay more attention at the video please and stop inventing stuff. I can help with the translation of what he said, and also there are a few more guys who can do it, I totally agree with that and I don't hide anything, that's why I wasn't afraid to post the video and keep the original on youtube. I knew in the end admins will ask for the full video.

The proof that he is in game is that he just asked if he was VDM'd. What other possible situation would he ask that to you? If we analyze the footage, you start speeding to the scene before anyone calls for you on the radio. From 0-15 seconds your mate is talking in another language on discord, at 16 seconds another voice in a foreign language comes in and you speed to the scene. At 17 seconds in the video the radio call comes in to come back to the bank, why did you speed to the bank before there was a radio call? I don't speak the language, but I'm sure that there is metagaming going on.

Translate what the player said then and if you knew the admins were going to ask you for the full video then why didn't you upload it all to begin with?

18 minutes ago, Mr2Peu said:

We didn't use any kind of OOC information against you, everything what you was able to see on the faction chat was said before on the radio. I do have a lot of proofs on that and I also have more footage about the situation what I can upload at admins request.

6.3.1 Metagaming (MG) is the act of relaying IC information through OOC methods or using OOC information in roleplay scenarios. OOC methods include third-party software, for example, Discord.

Are you saying that you didn't relay IC information through OOC methods? You don't think that stating that people trying to get you arrested is IC information? I understand now that it was to explain the rule to your faction member, but you can't spread IC information in the process.

19 minutes ago, Mr2Peu said:

Please upload a video of him being killed first before he said that on the faction chat. I also have a proof of him saying over the radio with a few minutes ago the same thing. It is possible for him to misspell "/r" with "/f", it happen to everybody at some point. Again, he didn't offer any information what could affect you without your knowledge since our RP interaction ended when I was killed. If you have any kind of videos of being affected by that "major metagame", please upload the video and proof that.

No. He didn't say it over the radio a few minutes prior, and even if he did that's still passing IC information through OOC means. Everyone in your faction saw that the players you're hunting were back at the bank through OOC communication. If any of your faction members had their radios off or didn't have a radio on them, they would know to go to the bank because of this ooc interaction.

Again, metagaming is the relaying of IC information through OOC methods, which I think is pretty cut and dry. 

He was dead before you arrived and that's when he typed in /f, after he died. 

22 minutes ago, Mr2Peu said:

I was thinking at the fact that you are trying to say that ECRP staff have no idea what are they doing or you just insult us. I need to think about which one it is, but anyway, I feel offended since I know how much time and work I dedicate to this gang. 

I stated that because if all the members of your gang that I've interacted with ram with their sports cars and metagame then its likely that the rest of the members I interact with share the same values. I don't believe players that ram with their sports cars and metagame often should be able to represent the server in an "official" capacity. It makes the server's RP look bad, it makes new players think that this server is just a cops and robbers KOS server and it makes a lot of people hesitant to interact with you because they know that there's a good chance that the rules are about to be broken.

I'm sure you worked hard to build your gang up. The reason factions were removed in the first place and official factions took their place was to increase the level of RP from gang members. In my opinion you guys haven't increased the level of RP because of the way most of your gang members conduct themselves (not as an IC character, but as a server rule breaker).

26 minutes ago, Mr2Peu said:

And if what he said it's true, I have another video with you killing a guy next to the bank building. Where theoretical cameras can see you.

Osvaldon recently clarified this for all the admins, Osvaldon is a server founder and helps develop the server and community.

He stated: "The rules don't say the entire block, also, the whole NCZ areas are scripted now, it's not an NCZ outside the scripted area."

If we're going based off of what Osvaldon said then it is clear that if it doesn't say NCZ on the bottom left then its not an NCZ.

Also, dingus stated that since it wasn't a populated area that NCZ wouldn't have been breached.
Here's a screen grab of that: https://gyazo.com/65b14ca298c08f1569957386f7e225d5

 

Thank you for the civil discussion, I thought you were going to rage at me. I appreciate you gathering your thoughts and rebutting my points in a civil manner.

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For sure we are not on the same page here, I know that you have more IG experience than I do, but based on the rules I explain my point of view. I will stop offering rebuttals at this moment because we need some help from an admin. This story it's a gray out area and the final result it's based on the admin who will review this report. As I said before, I will upload the full situation of what happen and if what I said at the bank before I left it's a real reason to have a KOS on me, then I didn't lied when I said I have KOS on 30% of the server in the last 24 hours... I said "NEXT time when I see you both", I didn't said I will kill you in that moment, anyway, in my opinion it's not a valid KOS reason. I will wait for an admin to move at the next step.

15 minutes ago, Dashingly said:

Thank you for the civil discussion, I thought you were going to rage at me. I appreciate you gathering your thoughts and rebutting my points in a civil manner.

I don't personally know you and I don't have a reason to rage at you, it's just a game in the end and it's all about fun. Respect before everything else.

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Look, you have to look at this from a real world aspect. You spent the last 45 minutes waving your gun around and stocking up on heavy weapons at your house for the sole purpose of killing us the moment we vacated the bank.

Now it didn't go the way your mates planned and what did you expect racing to a location that you were fully aware was an active shootout to ask the people you had said you were going to kill the next time you saw them  and were fully aware they had just mopped up 6 of your gang" whats going on here".  What did you expect was going to happen, what would happen in real life in that situation? 

You seem like a reasonable person and I think you have to just accept the loss of a heavy weapon as part of the RP. It happens so much that people get pissed that they lost an AK they coveted and make a report in a bid to get it back, but to waste peoples time like this is unreasonable IMHO. 

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Is not about the heavy weapon, I can get another one at any time. I just didn’t feel to be fair what happen there. That’s all.

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Most likely I will understand better how this server is working. Nothing else. I just want to check what admins are thinking about this.

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For I don’t know what reason, my youtube content was deleted. I will upload the video in a couple or hours. Thank you.

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Unforutnately I can’t reupload the video, I lost all I had on youtube. I will drop this report. Please archive it. Thank you.

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