money Posted December 20, 2018 Report Share Posted December 20, 2018 Player(s) being reported: Date of rule breach:12/20/2018 Time of rule breach:16.39 Your characters name: Victor Silva Other players involved: Mask 913_4765 Specific rule broken: Players may trick their victims into delivering their valuables to a specified location and rob them afterwards, however, the scam value must not exceed $15.000. Scammers cannot not lie to their victims in OOC form. How did the player break the rule?: Agreed to a 50k dice game, when i won he ran Evidence of rule breach: PS: admin MarcoD says its not scamming but when it happened to someone else for 500k it suddenly was scamming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldari Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 Hello and thank you for the report. @tomjackletra Stranger 8820_3830/Mask 913_4765 (Junior_Yelle) | You will have 24 hours to respond with your side of the story. I am going to collaborate with my fellow staff members on this one as to my knowledge there has not been a precedent set for this kind of occurrence and I can see both arguments as to why this both would be and would not be considered a rule breach under the current scamming rules. Pending accused response & staff deliberation. Regards, ~ Aldari_Tagril Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxxJustTimmy Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 Im going to be replying to this for Junior Yelle, he is currently banned from the forums until Dec 26th. He is a new player. He replies ; "Hello, He never lost anything, also we never signed a REAL contract. I also do not believe I broke any rules... :/" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
money Posted December 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 3 hours ago, xxxJustTimmy said: Im going to be replying to this for Junior Yelle, he is currently banned from the forums until Dec 26th. He is a new player. He replies ; "Hello, He never lost anything, also we never signed a REAL contract. I also do not believe I broke any rules... :/" i obviously lost 50k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldari Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 After some staff deliberation I have decided to conclude the report with the following: Stranger 8820_3830/Mask 913_4765 (Junior_Yelle) | You were not in breach of the scamming rules, however you was in breach of Non-RP for committing a crime involving a victim in a NCZ. For this you will receive a Non-RP offense (Major). I have concluded that, while you was certainly IC'ly scammed, Junior_Yelle was not specifically in breach of the scamming rules designed to protect players from large scale scams. For this report we were primarily concerned with section 7.5.4 of the Robberies and Scamming rules which is quoted as followed: Quote 7.5.4 Players may trick their victims into delivering their valuables to a specified location and rob them afterwards, however, the scam value must not exceed $15.000. Scammers cannot not lie to their victims in OOC form. While in this instance the scam value certainly did exceed $15,000 you did not actually lose anything of value or were forcibly robbed. For this rule to be in full affect there has to actually be a loss on the part of the scammed party, but in this instance you were no worse off than prior to the scam. Report Rejected & Archived. Regards, ~ Aldari_Tagril Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
