Mask 3497_6233( DM )Stranger 5369_2124, Mask 1304_2167, Mask 3497_6233, Mask 6169_3000 (Scamming) and 7.8.2

[verydoge12]

Player(s) being reported: Stranger 5369_2124, Mask 1304_2167, Mask 3497_6233, Mask 6169_3000

Stranger 5369_2124 7.5.4
Mask 6169_3000     7.5.4, 7.8.2
Mask 1304_2167     7.5.4, 7.8.2
Mask 3497_6233     7.2.4 (DM), 7.5.4, 7.8.2

 

Date of rule breach: 12/17/18
Time of rule breach: 8:30 PM UK Time

Your characters name: Hoxton Curry
Other players involved: Lewis Miller, Jason Nightwood

Specific rule broken:
7.5.4 Players may trick their victims into delivering their valuables to a specified location and rob them afterwards, however,
the scam value must not exceed $15.000. Scammers cannot not lie to their victims in OOC form.
7.8.2 In a situation, where a player’s game crashes or the player is kicked from the server, they should be allowed to have the
same advantages as they have had before their leave.
7.2.4 A player must allow their victim enough time to comply with the demands and warn the victim more than one time, if
the victim is too slow to respond or react to the demands.

How did the player break the rule?:
Attempt to scam me 25-41k (25 if we're looking at the import price, 41 if we're looking at the price I was selling the guns). He was acting fishy from the start I
wanted to get the money first at the bank then deliver them elsewhere but he wanted to do it at Taco and I knew he was going to scam me from the start but decided to go with it.
We talk to the dude in the black and 3 guys pull up in a V12 attempting to mug us. Also I believe 1 to 2 seconds is not enough time to comply so Im also reporting 3497 for DM
After this me and Lewis crashed and due to their scamming I lost one of the shotguns (12.5k if we're looking at import, 20k if we're looking how much I was selling it for) They refused
to let us continue the chase so I decided not to log in because they'd scam me for even more and I believe I've made the right choice not to mention they were already putting lewis in a 
huge disadvantage.

Evidence of rule breach:

MY POV : https://youtu.be/obC_tl3qC-A

 

Lewis' POV After both of us crashing at the same time also shows them taking a shotgun:

https://youtu.be/jl1nVxoCkFA

 

Screenshots of msgs with the scammer : 

He wants to meet taco, I tell him to go bank so he gives me the money and then I deliver the weapons to a location, he says he can do 2 shotguns for 38k and I tell him I can do 41 and he tells me to come taco.

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Proof of me having a shotgun ( keep in mind, lewis had one too) : http://prntscr.com/lw75qi

Edited December 19, 2018 by verydoge12

[Matriks]

Hey, im shafter driver and frisker, like Harry said, we were just driving around the town and then saw your supercar, we didnt knew about shotgun or neither your deal. You crashed with a car then both of you DCed hmm, what are the odds of that?
Also sound at the start of 2nd vid is muted (100% metagaming cuz its unmuted when he logged?)

Edited December 17, 2018 by Matriks

[Harry Dumbling]

Im the robber, we just drove around the town and we saw your super car, we didn't knowed that you have shotgun. We chased you like 5-10mins and in my point of view you crashed into a wall then went offline. We called admin for your relog and waited with admin. I don't see anything wrong here, but nice metagaming in discord and why did you stoped recording the search, you wasted so much time for your friends to come.

btw : Where is my DM. i can't see it

Edited December 17, 2018 by Harry Dumbling

[verydoge12]

4 minutes ago, Harry Dumbling said:

Im the robber, we just drove around the town and we saw your super car, we didn't knowed that you have shotgun. We chased you like 5-10mins and you went off. We called admin for your relog and waited with admin. I don't see anything wrong here, but nice metagaming in discord and why did you stoped recording the search, you wasted so mutch time for your friends to come.

Im sure that if someone checks logs it will be obvious you guys interacted with eachother

I stopped my vehicle near the end to catch last 5 minutes of shadowplay

Yes we were in a discord call, most of us were muted and everyone that was in this situation was muted on discord ( Wesse, Hamin , Hoxton (me)) as you can see in Lewis' POV which means we did not metagame 

I did ask in chat did you let him go etc. referring to the 7.8.2. rule I asked him if y'all let him continue the chase or were obvious rulebreakers and just mugged him leaving him in a huge disadvantage 

Edited December 17, 2018 by verydoge12

[Wessel]

@Harry Dumblingso how did we exactly metagame in discord? We were all muted and I just told him that I crashed, get some evidence before accusing us from metagaming.

[verydoge12]

53 minutes ago, Matriks said:

Hey, im shafter driver and frisker, like Harry said, we were just driving around the town and then saw your supercar, we didnt knew about shotgun or neither your deal. You crashed with a car then both of you DCed hmm, what are the odds of that?
Also sound at the start of 2nd vid is muted (100% metagaming cuz its unmuted when he logged?)

"Also sound at the start of 2nd vid is muted (100% metagaming cuz its unmuted when he logged?)" No he is muted all the time

if you are referring to the first video that is the sound of someone joining a discord call.

"You crashed with a car then both of you DCed hmm, what are the odds of that?" We did not crash the car into a wall, we were driving straight and both of us DC'd and unless lewis was actually recording and not using the instant replay feature  (Like I was) he can supply more proof 

Edited December 17, 2018 by verydoge12

[HaminLord]

First of all, happy near year everyone. Jason Nightwood here.

Lemme give you my side of the story, which I believe is important as well.
The entire situation started as in the video, Hoxton planned to meet and sell 2 shotguns to Stranger 5369_2124 during the trade, the other 3 players which are involved in this report pull up in a Schafter V12 and tell Hoxton to as I quote: Hands up or die like a bitch. The reported party then begins to chase Hoxton and Lewis on the eastern highway all the way up to Paleto Bay, then Lewis and Hoxton timeout.

Now, lemme show you why your attempts at making yourself clean in this report aren't going to work.

On 12/17/2018 at 9:54 PM, Matriks said:

Also sound at the start of 2nd vid is muted (100% metagaming cuz its unmuted when he logged?)

Let me start with this, I'm assuming you know how to use Discord right? Well, as u can see when he tabs out his Discord username is as following: wesseltjuhh
Weirdly enough, the same username is deafened in the very call u can see on screen.
So, how exactly is he metagaming here?

On 12/17/2018 at 10:01 PM, Harry Dumbling said:

but nice metagaming in discord and why did you stoped recording the search, you wasted so much time for your friends to come.

Now here's the other thing. U can see in the video Hoxton informed me through IC'ly manners that he was located on the eastern highway and was going north towards Paleto Bay.
I arrived shortly after they both crashed. However, I did not know that both of them crashed and in my eyes it seemed like u shot the 2 of them and took their weapons. I proceeded to hide inside Paleto Bay with my Massacro and look at you driving forward and backwards on the street. I was looking at you and trying to figure out if u really did shoot Hoxton and Lewis, it is then that I saw Lewis reconnect and realized both of them crashed.

U took his shotgun and shortly later drove off in the Pfister and Schafter, it is then that I drove towards Lewis and saw another person approach him. I believe it was Michael_Hazel however don't quote me tho. Anyway, as Michael approached Lewis he offered him a spot in his vehicle and the 2 drove around only to notice another one of the reporting party roaming around the street on foot. The 2 proceeded to chase him on foot. I was near them on the other side of the street, then. Lewis and I shot the man and finished him off. 

This brings up my question how did u know "your friends" were there in the first place? He had no way to tell you this through IC'ly means due to the NLR rule nor did u notice me hiding and watching you from Paleto Bay.

 

On 12/17/2018 at 10:01 PM, Harry Dumbling said:

Im the robber, we just drove around the town and we saw your super car, we didn't knowed that you have shotgun

Now, to my other point. I find it very suspicious that the player who u say had no connection to you repeatedly texted shortly after u began chasing Hoxton and Lewis. And no, it was not only the text u sent to Hoxton. U sent around 5 texts in the span of 2 minutes, As u can see in Hoxton's screenshots. It is alot more than the texts he received from you.

Aside of that, throughout the entire day I saw 4 people in the same Schafter v12, however for some reason during the deal the same people with the same clothes I've seen earlier that day were missing one person. I assume its pure coincidence?

 

On 12/17/2018 at 10:01 PM, Harry Dumbling said:

We called admin for your relog and waited with admin. I don't see anything wrong here,

Now, to my third point.

As u may know the 7.8.2 rule states the following:
7.8.2 In a situation, where a player’s game crashes or the player is kicked from the server, they should be allowed to have the
same advantages as they have had before their leave.

Now u may ask yourself, why did I bring that up? Well, its because I believe u didn't fill in @MusketDeezNuts with full information about the situation.
As u said yourself and I quote: "you crashed into a wall then went offline" 
Now lest think logically here. Would Hoxton drive into a wall on his own? Would he crash on purpose when being chased by 3 people and having valuable and expensive equipment on him? The answer is simple: No.
 

Its clear that u knew the crash resulted in the timeout of @verydoge12 and @nukkie however, u chose to ignore it and to what I believe. Tell Musket only part of the full story. That part being the crashing of Hoxton and Lewis into a wall and only then the timeout.
 

 

Now to my fourth and final point.

It is clear that no one of the players who were inside the Schafter v12 informed each other of their plans to rob you. 
I believe that you were all metagaming using a third-software party. but as I know, metagaming is almost impossible to be found guilty of without solid proof. Which is why I don't expect anything to come out of my accusation.

I would also like to remind Mask 6169_3000 to make sure the players he attempts to rob can hear him telling them to "put your hands up or die like a bitch". In case Hoxton roleplayed rolling his windows up there could've been a chance IC'ly, he would've not been able to hear you from the first place. Nor would he be able to hear any of the others players that were inside the Schafter V12. 

I'd also like to suggest to all 3 of you to improve your robbing RP, coming up to someone and telling him to put his hands up is no rule break. However, as I and many others view it doing said action is Poor RP at its core, no criminal will come up to his victims on a public street and give them demands under gunpoint.
 

 

I've said what I believe I should've said. I'd be more than happy if @MusketDeezNuts handles this report due to him being present half-way through or any other staff member as this report remained open for some time now, and I'd like to see our shotguns returned to us.

Once again, I wish everyone involved or anyone that is reading this a happy new year.
Yours, Hamin.

[Grape]

Hello and thank you everybody for waiting patiently.

After both myself and @MusketDeezNuts watched the video, we've come to the following conclusion;

• Fraser_Harrison: 6.2.3 | Offense #1 | used a players crash to their advantage. 7.8.2 | Offense #1 | Did not grand the same advantages to a crashed player.
• Harry_Dumbling: 6.2.3 | Offense #1 | used a players crash to their advantage. 7.8.2 | Offense #1 | Did not grand the same advantages to a crashed player.
• Jim_Statham: 6.2.3 | Offense #1 | used a players crash to their advantage. 7.8.2 | Offense #1 | Did not grand the same advantages to a crashed player. 
• Lucas_Dumbling 6.2.3 | Offense #1 | used a players crash to their advantage. 7.8.2 | Offense #1 | Did not grand the same advantages to a crashed player.

Feel free to create a refund request for the price of the shotguns.

Report Accepted & Archived.