Abdi_Jet ID 165, Lewis_Slash ID 79 - Public Robbery and VDM

[Suspect X]

Player(s) being reported: 165
Date of interaction reported: 05/23/2022
Unix time stamp from HUD: 1653353899

Your character name: Rose Frey
Other player(s) involved: Tom Mathers

Specific rule(s) broken: 

9. Non-Roleplay (Non-RP)

Non-Roleplay behavior is considered as actions that are unrealistic or promote poor quality roleplay. 

- Misusing Expensive Vehicles
 

-Player Theft

Robberies should be conducted in a realistic manner with a reasonable in-character motive. Location, time of day, and realistic population should all be considered prior to a robbery. Players should not conduct minor robberies in situations with high risk. Players should consider the risk vs reward of the robbery and utilize secluded areas where necessary to avoid witnesses.

14. Deathmatching (DM)
Deathmatching is the act of attacking a player without proper IC motive and interaction. Prior interaction should include escalation such as a robbery or a report to the police. 

Players on foot should only be attempted to be hit by a vehicle once with a valid motive.

How did the player break the rule(s)?  (300 words maximum)
The player came running into the mining freelance job while me and another man were talking how this job works and told us to put our hands up and to cough up all our stuff. He told the man that I had just met to take my items off me and give them to him. He then proceed to try and get my bike keys off me but decided to run off because he said the cops where coming. After telling my friend Tom Mathers what happened he started to look for the guy and try to see why he did this. After finding him and following for a bit tom started getting shot at. After tom got off his bike he was VDM'd by the man with a expensive vehicle. This player broke the following rules misusing expensive vehicles, VDM/DM, and public robbery. 

Evidence of rule breach
https://streamable.com/u64ynh

Edited May 24, 2022 by Crogzu

[Ash]

Pending review

[Lightninbolt9]

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Thank you for your patience while this report is under review.

After reviewing this report and the evidence attached to it, we have decided this report can not be concluded at this time. The following player(s) will be required to provide their side of the story from this situation within the next twenty-four (24) hours:

[Notified In-Game] Abdi_Jet (165) - Please explain your side of the story and why you can be seen conducting a robbery at a job location. Additionally as stated in PMs, please provide the 30 minute clip you stated that you had. 

[Notified In-Game] Tom_Mathers (115) - Please explain your side of the story and provide all additional evidence if any to help support your claims.  

If the player(s) above fail to respond within the next twenty-four (24) hours, this report will be concluded, based on the evidence that has already been provided, to the best of our ability.

Regards,

Ash, Wayerz, & Lightninbolt9

[AtlasOLimbo]

1 minute ago, Lightninbolt9 said:

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Thank you for your patience while this report is under review.

After reviewing this report and the evidence attached to it, we have decided this report can not be concluded at this time. The following player(s) will be required to provide their side of the story from this situation within the next twenty-four (24) hours:

[Notified In-Game] Abdi_Jet (165) - Please explain your side of the story and why you can be seen conducting a robbery at a job location. Additionally as stated in PMs, please provide the 30 minute clip you stated that you had. 

[Notified In-Game] Tom_Mathers (115) - Please explain your side of the story and provide all additional evidence if any to help support your claims.  

If the player(s) above fail to respond within the next twenty-four (24) hours, this report will be concluded, based on the evidence that has already been provided, to the best of our ability.

Regards,

Ash, Wayerz, & Lightninbolt9

Hello ID 115 here. I have no additional evidence. I spotted a possible ID of the car being described by Rose_Frey and pulled a u-turn on said vehicle and described more and more attributes of it. I drove up close and saw one of them wearing the standard Underground Command mask. I asked them why they're robbing my friends. 165 stepped off his vehicle and began shooting at me. I called it in over radio and made my distance with the vehicle in question. After a reasonable distance was made, I stepped off and went to my briefcase to get my gun. They came spinning back around in their car and ran me clean over. With no escalation or RP apart from attempting to take my keys, they stripped me of everything except my clothes and finished me.

[calgonzimmer]

Hello all.

Thankyou to the community for being so welcoming and thanks for the staff for taking this report.

Firstly, me and the reporting party had a lengthy discussion in "/pm(private message)" in which i told him that i would also save the incident of the occasion. The screenshots do not show the full conversation and  sadly my footage was not saved so I do no have any footage to support either side of this report.

My Character name is Abdi_Jet, an aspiring individual wanting to become part of the police department in the previous city he lived in. Although entering the city has had a negative impact on Abdi_Jet, the corrupted altercations with the law leaving him indifferent to the public system. Meeting 2 other people in Los Santos, all individuals decided to try make a better life for themselves and try robbery's late at night. Hopefully this will give you understanding on why my character is played as such in this scenario.

Robbery Rules

"Furthermore, we've also made a slight adjustment to our robbery rule. This again is an attempt to try and stop limiting potentially good roleplay. Previously, our robbery rule focused on only allowing robberies in "secluded areas", but we're removing this limitation. Our goal is not to go back to how it was in the past, but we see the need to loosen the limitation for scenarios in which a robbery in a non-secluded area could make sense. It's important to understand that location, time of day, risk & reward, and realistic population, are all factors that should be taken into consideration when committing a robbery. 
Robberies should be conducted in a realistic manner with a reasonable in-character motive. Location, time of day, and realistic population should all be considered prior to a robbery. Players should not conduct minor robberies in situations with high risk. Players should consider the risk vs reward of the robbery and utilize secluded areas where necessary to avoid witnesses. 
We understand that we're quite vague when we say "reasonable escalation" or "reasonable in-character motive". It's our intention to not unnecessarily dictate players on how they should carry out a roleplay scenario, we would much rather for roleplay scenarios to be as natural as possible. With that being said, the changes to our kidnapping and robbery rules will be a trial for us as much as it will be for the community. If we fail to see this change being positive for the community later down the road, we may revert it. "
Scripted Job Locations & Job Drop-Offs will still be considered as areas that are realistically populated, and are such covered by the rules "[..]and realistic population should all be considered[..]"

 

 

I was with Connor_Covenant (123), Lewish_Slash (79) in Mount Chiliad. We were discussing potential robbery ideas around midnight in which we would agree to setup a robbery on a victim in the mining shaft early hours in the morning to make some quick cash. This was due to the fact  Abdi_Jet (165) was in debt to the public system. 

The time was around 4:00am , we were in the mining area covered by trees and was dark. The area was secluded and not many workers were there as it was early hours in the morning.

Upon entering the mineshafts, the plan was to enter conversation with an alone victim (Tom_Mather(115)) to make them feel comfortable. Then in due time,  another player (Abdi_Jet (165) ) would come into the situation and attempt to rob the lonely victim(Rose_Frey(24))  within the vicinity. The current plan was in motion, the mineshaft was empty and the players found their victim to rob. Planting another person(Lewis_Slash(79))  there to help with the robbery was part of the plan to ensure the situation would move smoothly and quickly, this person (Lewis_Slash(79)) would conversate with the victim and persuade him to quickly give away his goods in return to not be in the altercation he found himself in. After Abdi_Jet (165) conducted Roleplay with Rose_Frey(24); he then ran away from the altercation and the robbery was conducted.

1. The situation was fully roleplayed and both parties continued situation correctly.
 2. After the altercation happened the robbers drove far away from the victim.
 3. All members of the incident had masks on as well were armed. 

Although closer to Los Santos a black and pink motorcyclist holding a brown briefcase (Tom_Mathers (115))) started to follow the vehicle. Since the players stole miner items, the plan was to sell them at the "miner drop off location" in which all 3 players were going towards. From around  the construction job, all the way towards the mining "drop off area", the black and pink motorbike (Tom_Mathers (115)) continued to follow the car closely.

As the biker (Tom_Mather(115)) got closer he was in clear view of the car, the "/me toggles radio" was seen, he was closer than a bus length to the car, so Abdi_Jet ICly saw him holding on the radio discussing with whoever else was on the radio too, most likely the assailant who just been robbed.
Factors which made the 3 members of the robbery Wary.

1] The masked biker was following the car for a long duration just after the players had been in a altercation.
2]They previously robbed a unknown person.
3] They quickly wanted to sell the stolen goods they gained from the robbery.
I have taken pictures of the location the scenario was conducted, here are 3 Images of the area the situation happened that will help everyone a give a clearer understanding and view of what happened in the altercation. I only want to explain them to help everyone within the report.

 

1. 1stPicture: https://imgur.com/a/k7G0e86
2. 2nd Picture: https://imgur.com/a/SfzviCq
3. 3rd Picture: https://imgur.com/a/8ZLydSA

 

The biker (Tom_Mathers (115)) followed us to the bottom miner drop off location in which he decided to pullover next to the driver side of the vehicle and ask " did you just rob someone at the miner" and proceeded to follow us towards the area marked "1" in the pictures.

Nobody never reacted first to the persons threats untill Abdi_Jet (165) stopped at the area "1" in which Abdi_Jet (165) had a quick exchange of words with the biker. The biker was warned to leave and not to follow the car as it would be his demise.
Abdi_Jet (165) then drove to the top of the hill which is marked on the picture as area "3", he did a quick U-Turn and stopped at the top position (1) on the hill. The biker(Tom_Mathers (115)) ) also followed in which also did a U-turn at area "3" and then proceeded to drive down and stop at area "2".
The player then proceeded to get off the bike and drop his briefcase on the floor. All 3 players were wary of the situation as the briefcase could also potenatially hide something more lethal than the pistols they were carrying. 

As you can see, the area " 2 " on the picture is quite close to area "3". You can clearly see the command and the action of the biker (Tom_Mathers (115)) ) taking out a Combat pistol in which the drivers first reaction was to put the foot down and make a getaway. Although the person tried to shoot at the car while standing in the middle of the road he was unable to get off a bullet; he was hit by the sultan Classic once. The Sultan Classic is a AWD sports car designed to do well in off-roading. This wasn't really an off-road but rather a dirt track towards the mining area. The player immediately died in which was then looted and robbed and finished off by Abdi_Jet (165). The player posed a threat and was seen clearly by members in the vehicle to be drawing a pistol at the area "2" in which Abdi_Jet (165) drove fast down the hill in which the player Tom_Mather (115) was then hit in the situation ONCE. This resulted in his death and robbery which would leave an end to the situation.

Looking at the screenshots that was posted by the victim, I can also help explain the situation even further.

After seeing the player hit by the car once driving down the hill. The car then stopped. Both Abdi_Jet (165) and Lewis_Slash(79))  left the car to see the individual layed out on the floor. Lewis_Slash(79) went to rob the victim while Abdi_Jet(165) decided to turn the car around ( as you can see in his screenshot and my clearer image attached labeled as "3rdPicture"). Upon doing so Abdi_Jet(165) then turned around the vehicle and proceeded to rob the items off the dead players with Lewis_Slash(79) in which Abdi_Jet (165) finished on the victim.

EDIT:https://streamable.com/u64ynh

This is the POV from Rose_Frey(24). I will help explain the situation and  break down the video:

00.00 note the time in the situation and who is around. No other players are around the area except the robbers and the victim.

00.00 Majority of the roleplay was cut out, if the person left in the footage you can see prior to this that roleplay was conducted even before the gun was pointed at the victim. This was with Lewis_Slash (79) and Rose_Frey (24) having a discussion about the Job.

00:45 you can see the player Rose_Frey (24) abusing server bugs and commands to try negate the full loot of the robbery and thus breaking the roleplay situation. They are playing with the radio which was demanded to be robbed to try play with the robbery view of what the victim may possess on their body. This was clear violation of rules and is Exploiting.
2:47 Rose_Frey (24) can be seen leaving the mining area and no further altercation happened between the parties IC or OOC.

2:47-3:05 Rose_Frey (24) Can be seen leaving the mining area and not seeing any indication of the vehicle that the robbers left in. So it can be that we were clearly recognised from our IDs rather than our car because all of our masks were changed and you can only realistically see the top half of the body if the biker. So as the biker Rose_Frey (24)  was tailgating the robbers from the construction job, they must've OOCly relayed IDs of the robbers. This would be classed as Metagaming by Identifying Players by ID which is considered NRP. Realistically you would not follow a car that isn't known.

Exploiting 
Players may not abuse server bugs or unintended server mechanics to their own advantage, it should be reported as a Server Bug in the Bug Reports section: https://forum.eclipse-rp.net/forum/5-bug-reports/. For more sensitive server bugs, such as potential money exploits, players may want to report the bug to a staff member directly at their own discretion. 

Example of unintended mechanics/bugs:

• Robbing ATMs through walls. 
• Glitching through objects using animations.
• Glitching out of the world. 
• Etc. 

Punishment: Anything from a warning to a permanent ban depending on the severity and context of the situation, as well as the number of occurrences. Exploits involving assets will also result in said assets being removed from the account(s) involved.

 

Looking at the individuals screenshots that was in the post. My questions are why are they not posted in chronological order of the situation. Why are the screenshots cut not showing the full picture and information of what happened. Also as the PM happened after the altercation, the shooting of the player: Abdi_Jet (165) towards Tom_Mathers (115) happened after the keys were taken from the player and NOT before finishing the player off and then driving away from the scene.

These screenshots can be seen as misleading as they weren't given in the right context  in terms of the time order that the situation happened, as well  not being in the right order, which may seem misleading to the authority conducting the judgement on the report.

The full situation was fairly conducted with correct roleplay conduct throughout the whole scenario, and a reasonable profit was made including two pistols which was profitable.

Thank the staff again for taking this report, I will be able to respond to questions as required.

Abdi_Jet

Edited May 24, 2022 by calgonzimmer
Fixed links/Typos

[Ash]

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Thank you for your patience while this report is under review.

After reviewing this report and the evidence attached to it, we have decided this report can not be concluded at this time. The following player(s) will be required to provide their side of the story from this situation within the next twenty-four (24) hours:

[Notified In-Game] Lewis_Slash (79) - Please explain your side of the story and why you can be seen assisting in a robbery at a job location. Additionally provide any footage you have from both the mine scenario and the altercation after.

If the player(s) above fail to respond within the next twenty-four (24) hours, this report will be concluded, based on the evidence that has already been provided, to the best of our ability.

Regards,

Ash, Wayerz, & Lightninbolt9

[LewisSlash]

Everything Abdi said. Also the players who posted this complaint seems to be using discord to communicate. Not to mention they were exploiting bugs.

[Ash]

REPORT CONCLUDED
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After reviewing this report and evidence attached to it, we've decided to conclude this report and issue the punishments to the following player(s):

•  Abdi_Jet [ID 165] - Punishment for NonRP (Public Robbery)

• Lewis_Slash [ID 79] - Punishment for NonRP (Public Robbery)

 The location of this robbery was the mining job site and whilst I can appreciate there was no other players about, this is still a breach of the public robbery rule as the mine is a job location, which is protected from this kind of thing and would realistically have more people working it. That combined with the low reward means you will be getting punished for it.

It can be seen that the reporting party did take the radio out of the UI but it's hard to say what the intention was as it didn't prevent it from being taken and therefore no exploit happened here. As for the claims about (V)DM, there is not enough evidence to suggest any (V)DM happened here. The statements alone do not give a clear enough picture of how things played out after the robbery in a consistent enough manner to make judgement. 

If you have received a punishment that you disagree with, feel free to file a punishment appeal following the punishment appeal guidelines and format. If the reporting party suffered a loss greater than $25,000 in value, feel free to file a refund request following the refund request guidelines and format. 

Regards,
Admin Ash
Senior Support Lightningbolt9
Senior Support Waryerz