Jonathan_Wellers (208) , Travis_Lau (25), Ajay_Fog (12), Tommy Lau (106), and Liam_Zhang (173) -Nonrp

[PapiTheSaint]

Player(s) being reported: 208, 25, 12, 108, 173
Date of interaction reported: 21.05.2022
Unix time stamp from HUD: 1653152972

Your character name: William Cemeni
Other player(s) involved: Luca Andollini

Specific rule(s) broken:
NON RP - Not roleplaying injuries when they would have sustained them

How did the player break the rule(s)?  (300 words maximum)\
In the video you can see a police chase taking place, the 3x occupied shafter and 2x occupied elegy collide at a massive speed on a corner, the shafter was clocked by my speedo at like 180kmh at the time of the collision, if you assume the other vehicle was going perhaps 100kmh, thats an almost 300kmh per hour collision head on to a full stop. In my opinion and from what i know of car accidents all of the occupants of those vehicles would have been severely injured/unconscious etc etc. At the bare minimum there would have been some time between the collision and when they had 'come to their senses' about what had happened before reacting - they did not do so.

Evidence of rule breachhttps://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/lHVfK36ClkCFh/d13373wjklCy?invite=cr-MSxlek0sNjQ5MDAzMzks

[Kazjii]

Pending review.

[HotPipinLeo]

PLAYER REPORT PENDING RESPONSES
 

Thank you for your patience while this report is under review. 

 

After reviewing this report and the evidence attached to it, we have decided that this report cannot be concluded at this time. The following player(s) will be required to provide their side of the story from this situation within the next twenty-four (24) hours:

• [Notified in-game]Jonathan_Wellers (ID 208) @retronub
  • Please explain why you can be seen opening fire on the officer. What previous escalation did you have that would grant you to do so? Additionally, please explain the events leading up to the situation where you crashed.
  • Please provide any POV that you have 
• [Notified in-game] Travis_Lau (ID 25) @Totti
  • Please explain why you can be seen opening fire on the officer. What previous escalation did you have that would grant you to do so? Additionally, please explain the events leading up to the situation where you crashed.
  • Please provide any POV that you have 
• [Notified in-game] Ajay_Fog (ID 12) @J4Ck455
  • Please explain why you can be seen opening fire on the officer. What previous escalation did you have that would grant you to do so? Additionally, please explain the events leading up to the situation where you crashed.
  • Please provide any POV that you have 
• [Notified in-game]Tommy_Lau (ID 106) @Tommy Lau
  • Please explain why you can be seen opening fire on the officer. What previous escalation did you have that would grant you to do so? Additionally, please explain the events leading up to the situation where you crashed.
  • Please provide any POV that you have 
• [Notified in-game]Liam_Zhang (ID 173) @lSpixsy
  • Please explain why you can be seen opening fire on the officer. What previous escalation did you have that would grant you to do so? Additionally, please explain the events leading up to the situation where you crashed.
  • Please provide any POV that you have 

If the player(s) above fail to respond to this report within the next twenty-four (24) hours, this report will be concluded based on the evidence that hasalready been provided, to the best of our ability. 

 

Regards,

Administrator Kazji, & Senior Supports HotPipinLeo & Pixiejewels

[retronub]

Hello Jonathan Wellers here, ID 208.
I was not asked to save POV.

This situation was in regards to a shootout we had had in Sea Labs. After the shootout ended, we had injured individuals to transport to Paleto MD. One of the vehicles that was used for this was the Schafter V12. The Schafter was pulled over by SD outside Paleto MD, and the occupants inside all had heavy weapons (around $150k worth). They were asked to step out, and a long pursuit ensued due to this. Everyone who wasn't in the Schafter attempted to aid the individuals, in order to help them get away. The people in the Schafter planned to give all the heavy weapons to one person, and get that one person on a bike in order to save the individuals from a heavy financial loss. They attempted to try get away, shooting the tyres of the cruiser as shown in the reporting party's POV. This was being called as happening for about 5 minutes before the collision took place. As a bike was being prepared, myself and Travis, who attempted to make sure that the individual who was holding all the heavy weapons was able to get away, collided with the Schafter by accident, stalling us. None of us were injured scriptly.

As stated in a report response from Lewis, RPing injuries after not being scriptly injured is "not yet mandatory on the server".

As soon as the reporting party collided with the Schafter, they immediately get out of the vehicle. The intention of the reporting party is very clear, as they attempt to try get out of the vehicle and face 5 heavily armed individuals, with only one other cruiser behind them (which can be seen in the POV). After stalling, the only way that we could attempt to flee was by killing the cop who decided to get out of his vehicle and fight the 5 of us. We quickly shoot the officer, and attempt to make the other cruiser back off by shooting at it. 

I believe that there was more than enough escalation for us to be granted DM rights. If the reporting party is willing to send the full footage of the situation, it would also show this.

I would like to ask the question of why the reporting party decided it would be a good idea to get out of the vehicle to face 5 people on their own. I would also like to ask why the reporting party attempted to lock their vehicle as we attempted to use it to try get away. As someone who is reporting us for lack of roleplay after getting injured, prioritising locking a car to attempt to prevent us from getting away after getting riddled with bullets seems very hypocritical.

Feel free to ask anymore questions.

Thanks

Edited May 22, 2022 by retronub

[J4Ck455]

Hi all

Ajay_fog here
I was not asked to save POV.

So everything started with us fleeing from the police at Paleto MD which resulted a chase between us and PD and as every person in the car had heavy guns on their back and the fact that law enforcement involved in the situation was aware of that, we decided to open fire, however we faced some unreal actions by few police officers involved in the situation. They kept following us with no passenger to cover fire for them even though they were getting shot at constantly and with the information about the heavy guns in the car. Then we happen to crash to a friendly car that was coming for more safety against the law enforcement , and right after that, the police car crashes right to us with the speed of 80km/h which is shown in the footage . And now if you want to think about this situation the way @PapiTheSaint is thinking, everyone involved in that situation should've died due to injuries but from my understanding, @PapiTheSaint expected all of us to rp our injuries and unconsciousness while he is becoming a hero and arresting 8 heavily armed gang members by himself which is undoubtedly unreal even in marvel movies. Also i have no idea why he attempted to lock the car after his death in the situation knowing that my ally is in their car and trying to escape with it, which makes wonder that if there is any play to win mentality involved in this situation or not.

Also i would like to mention however, i do not know this about @PapiTheSaint this is not my first time getting stuck in situations like this, sometimes i manage to get away and sometimes i get caught and it often happens that a police car blocks my way and i crash to their car at a high speed and after that, they get off with a gun in their hand proceeding the arrest, meanwhile both sides are happy with the RP happening and are loving the game.

Thank you for your time.

[PapiTheSaint]

In an attempt to pre-empt questions from the Admin team. To answer the attempts to turn the report against me, my rationale for my character exiting the cruiser is simple, I was faced with a dangerous situation and my character would almost certainly rather get out of the car and head to cover, than stay in it to be shot and killed. 

The locking of the cruiser admittedly looks very questionable and I will not deny how it looks. All I can say is that my record hotkey for medal is ALT + ;. I am not sure how/when or why I pressed the K key, but it may have been a 'Fat finger' moment given the stressful situation and trying to save my own POV.

In regards to why the PD and SD cruisers maintained the pursuit despite being shot at, you can see clearly that I am taking evasive manoeuvres while there is gunfire. I had also previously called out that the vehicle was only 1x Occupied - thinking that the passengers had been dropped off when no visual contact was held from PD. It was a genuine surprise to me when they opened fire on me. 

The excuse of 'injury RP' is not yet mandatory on the server... Is quite poor. Lots of things aren't mandatory, but I do not think the admin team should be wasting their time spelling out every possible thing the players should and should not be doing. On far too many occasions I have witnessed fleeing suspects collide at unbelievable speeds with solid objects and other cars, and get out running as if nothing happened. Its an RP server, RP'ing is mandatory, I don't think it should need to be EXPLICITLY mentioned how you should rp, you should just do it realistically.

That is all, I will not comment any further unless requested to by the Admin team.

[lSpixsy]

Liam Zhang here, first off i want to thank the wonderful staff that are dealing with this report.

Jonathan summed it up perfectly so I do not feel like I have much to add. Although I would like to question the reporting party as during the whole chase he was almost always the only cruiser on us and was getting shot at by atleast 2 people the whole time, I believe he showed no concern for his characters life when he kept following us on his own while actively being shot at. 

Got no POV sadly.

[PapiTheSaint]

3 hours ago, lSpixsy said:

Liam Zhang here, first off i want to thank the wonderful staff that are dealing with this report.

Jonathan summed it up perfectly so I do not feel like I have much to add. Although I would like to question the reporting party as during the whole chase he was almost always the only cruiser on us and was getting shot at by atleast 2 people the whole time, I believe he showed no concern for his characters life when he kept following us on his own while actively being shot at. 

Got no POV sadly.

I would like to note that I only managed to get behind the Shafter on banham canyon driver. The cruiser's that were behind them switched out several times as their tyres were shot - If any party has POV to show otherwise.

[Tommy Lau]

Hello, Tommy_Lau here, i belive our responses above summed it all, yet here's my side of the story, we started by getting pulled over close paleto MD, then it turned into a chase, PD had knowledge that there was heavy guns in the shafterv12 so what we did is tried to give all the heavy weaponry to 1 guy to evade heavy economical loss as stated above. during the chase we kept trying to loose PD by popping their tires off, yet the reporting party didn't care for his character safety and kept driving, he even didn't have a passanger to cover fire. Then we collided with the elegy resulting into both of the shafterv12 and the elegy stalling,none of us was scriptly injured so roleplaying injuries is not yet mandatory on the server. I still don't get why the officer is trying to get out of his car, trying to get his gun out and face a 5 heavily armed individials alone, also there was only 1 cruiser behind that's still pretty far, and for someone reporting for this, you can be seen in your POV, going for locking the car instead of roleplaying your injuries.

The reporting party never asked me to save my POV, neither he is showing a full recording of the whole sitiuation.

Thanks for your time and have a great day.

[HotPipinLeo]

No more back and forth.  Only respond if you are inquired by staff about something.

[Kazjii]

REPORT DENIED
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After our deliberations, we’ve concluded that this report will be denied for the following reason(s):

• We have reviewed the footage and while we appreciate and encourage the use of good roleplay we have concluded that no rules were broken during the reported scenario.  As mentioned in a previous report similar in nature, "we do not have anything in the server rules to determine to what extent injuries should be roleplayed in specific scenarios." Therefore, no punishments will be given out in response to this report.  

• As for the counter claims as to whether or not the reporting party showed enough concern for his safety during and after the pursuit, we agree that he was fulfilling his duties as were expected of him throughout the reported scenario.  

 

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Regards,
Kazjii, hotpipinleo, & pixiejewels