Frank_Scofield [ID 141], Jason_Comanchero [ID 77] and other Dragons | Potential Backup Breach, Potential MG

[Realism]

Player(s) being reported: ID 77, 141, + Shenzhen Dragons and another ID I didn't catch.
Date of interaction reported: 12/05/21
Unix time stamp from HUD: Video starts at 1652404069, however the situation had been goin on for around 10-15minutes prior.

Your character name: Kaleb White
Other player(s) involved: Daph ODell + BD Members

Specific rule(s) broken: 

Metagaming (MG)

• Metagaming is the act of relaying IC information through any method not considered IC that has the potential to change current or future roleplay scenarios or using that information. 

Backup Breach 

How did the player break the rule(s)?  (300 words maximum)\
 

A dragon had given demands to Martin around 15-20 minutes before this fight, and were chasing us relentlessly. So we decided to setup at the entrance of Lighthouse and start shooting them, we killed all of the original people there and got their freq, where we heard that two more were pulling in. While we were also on the freq we hear multiple times people talking about FOG (will be seen in martys POV), and I know GBK recently put up a report about potential backup breach with FOG and Shenzhen at a drop. I believe that someone called FOG to come and help them after the realized they all died, or in the middle of the fight. I would also like to ask if the backup were logged into the city the whole time, and only came for backup once they realized they might lose, or if they logged in specifically for this fight. We had another situation today with creed and dragons pushing us in a lab together, where more backup came and I think that was solved in game, but seeing that they continue to do it made me want to make this report. 
Thank you to the staff for reviewing this report.

(I would like to apologize for the 5minute clip, I was low on storage at the time and turned Nvivdia down to 5min instead of the regular 10, more evidence should be provided in Martins Response)

I'm not sure if we told anyone to Save POV or that we were making a report, so I apologize for that.

Evidence of rule breach:

 

 (Martin Griggs has alot more evidence and will be providing it in his response)

Edited May 15, 2022 by Realism

[jason]

PENDING REVIEW
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Hi there! Thank you for submitting this player report.

This report will now be pending review by myself. During this time, we ask that you please refrain from any back-and-forth in this report between anyone involved.

Regards,
jason

[jason]

PENDING RESPONSE
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After reviewing this report and the evidence attached to it, we have decided that this report cannot be concluded at this time. We would like to receive a response from the following player(s) to explain their side of the story:

• @Realism - Kaleb_White (133) - Why are you using painkillers in the middle of a shootout?

• @Kayta - Frank_Scofield (141) & Jason_Comanchero (77) - What prompted you the two of you to arrive to that scene?

• @Fancyme - Martin_Griggs - Please provide the aforementioned footage you have.

If the requested player(s) do not respond within 24 hours, this report will be concluded based on the evidence that has already been provided, to the best of our ability. 

Regards,
jason

[Realism]

Kaleb_White (133) - Why are you using painkillers in the middle of a shootout?

We had finished the main people we were fighting, and at the time I used them I didn't know that the backup would be arriving 1 second later. I was told that if the shootout isn't active you are allowed to use them, and seeing that everyone was dead I looked at it as non-active. I apologize if this is not how it works.

 

[jason]

6 hours ago, Realism said:

We had finished the main people we were fighting, and at the time I used them I didn't know that the backup would be arriving 1 second later. I was told that if the shootout isn't active you are allowed to use them, and seeing that everyone was dead I looked at it as non-active. I apologize if this is not how it works.

On the radio your allies can be heard calling out that there's more of them prior to you taking the painkillers. Please address this.

[Kayta]

So first of all thank you @jason for handling this report .
 

I wanna mention first that the evidence is older than 48 hours as i remember , therefore I don't understand why is this report being processed, however, if you need my response, I will forward it to staff to prevent any potential MG.

• Evidence cannot be older than 48 hours. If players are deliberately withholding evidence and knowledge of a rule breach, they will be punished for said action. 

And I wanna mention too that no one of them informed us that we getting reported.

Edited May 15, 2022 by Kayta

[jason]

Post your response in this thread as requested.

[Kayta]

4 minutes ago, jason said:

Post your response in this thread as requested.

Whenever the fight started, members of my faction called me for backup. At that time, I was in the city and started driving. It took some time to arrive, so I arrived late.I drove from the city to the north. I was in the same car as Jason. I was online for like hours before that fight happened, so that statement that we logged in specifically for this fight is completely wrong. The guy wearing the black mask that pulled wasn't part of Fog as the guy claimed (the guy was Jason Comanchero) and I had some IC deals.

1:What prompted you the two of you to arrive to that scene?
I met Tommy and Jason at the city in order to collect some info from him. Jason is a guy we are dealing with for some ic info. (If anyone of the staff team is interested in knowing any of them, I would be more than happy to DM them on discord. i really don't want that info to get metagamed tbh) Anyways, when I had him in my car, backup was called because I was driving a car, Jason was with me, and Tommy was on a bike, so we joined the backup. When I approached Paul's farm, I knew that all my allies died because they weren't responding on freq, and some of the Bd joined our freq and started talking shit, saying ((PULL UP)) as I remember, not sure tho, We flanked them and killed all of them. I think 2 ran away, not sure tho.

Most of the new gangs' generations use the word "FOG" or "NOT-FOG" every time they see a player using that mask. They even call  the black-tshrit mask the "FOG MASK." I just want to say that not every player that wears that mask is part of that group, though, and I also want to mention that the fog group left the server a long time ago. i dont know why people still claming that . So I want to be clear that my passenger is not part of that group. It's just a guy. I'm dealing with him to get info. and he has some serious IC job with our organization and any of that can be proved.

[jasonX]

I think @Kayta mentioned everything. I should say I don't have anything useful to add to this report. I'll be waiting for staff response or maybe any evidence added to this report thx

Edited May 15, 2022 by jasonborune

[Fancyme]

8 hours ago, jason said:

@Fancyme - Martin_Griggs - Please provide the aforementioned footage you have.

Hello Jason and the staff that are handling this report.

 

I'd just like to say this situation took place for upwards for 25 minutes yet these players decide to show up in the last 5 minutes.

 

I rolled in to Braddocks where a dragon gave me demands however due to desync, he never had his gun out. (POV #1) I showed him the POV which I will provide and I then later found Shenzhen down the road so I decided to pull on them which resulted in a bout a 10 minute chase where I was shot at (We also had a standstill for around 5 minutes outside sealabs then they decided to push which these players were also not involved in). We decided to setup outside Sealabs to kill the members (we killed every dragon there). (Fight Starts at 5:00 POV #2) I went on their freq and was listening to them when I heard them talking about backup arriving and to not shoot the "fog mask" (8:37 POV #2). I have never really heard anyone call it that apart from them members. However these players proceed to show up and they aren't even in dragons colours (Every official dragon member was in red). I would also like to add that Kaleb missed an ID that also showed up ID 109 (Can be seen at 1:45 in POV #3). I just feel it makes very little sense, they were never involved with any of this until the last 5 minutes, when the shootout began to not go in their favour, more members that seem to not even be apart of the gang show up. Backup then arrives and we begin shooting them  (POV #3 begins when the backup arrives) which results in us dying.

Due to the length of this encounter my POV missed the chase however, the IDs in the Sultan could be checked for shooting me outside North Lab.

At the end of my POV, I can be seen in /b this was due to me trying to get an understanding of the situation at hand which I was informed that they were members of the gang - if this is true it will be proven.

 

My questions are:

Why did these players choose so late to turn up?

Or were they even online at the time of the escalation or did they just so happen to arrive for the shootout?

Why did they not have colours on if they are meant to be Shenzhen? 

Evidence: 

I deleted the full pov of me pulling into Braddocks at the time (due to resolving the problem as he thought I FRP'd) but this was the only interaction there anyways.
My POV #1 (Of the beginning of this interaction): https://streamable.com/waq7et

 

My POV #2 (Beginning of Sea Labs Fight): 

(Thought it was Frank ahahahah)

My POV #3 (When Backup Arrived): 

 

[Kayta]

52 minutes ago, Fancyme said:

My questions are:

Why did these players choose so late to turn up?

Or were they even online at the time of the escalation or did they just so happen to arrive for the shootout?

Why did they not have colours on if they are meant to be Shenzhen? 

 

Thank you @Fancyme for you reply and for the evidence you added 

First Question : As I mentioned before, I was in the city with Jason trying to collect some info from him and a backup call happened. I told my guys on freq that we were coming from the city to sealab and coming late or early in a shootout is the same thing. TBH, it's a backup. I should respond to it anyways. There are no rules that clarify you can't join a backup late and like I said, us joining late is an IC issue cuz we came from the city to the north. And when i pulled with the comet i got my car shot instantly tho which gives me DM rights too (( You can ask your friend that comped our freq and he will confirm that he heard us coming on the way and we kept updating our location to our friends who were still there with low ammo. That is why he asked you to push when he knew that the people that were still in the fight without ammo ))

Second Question : I was online like i said for hours before that fight started and admins can confirm that .

Thrid Question :I had my red shirt and my mask on, though, and, basically, Chinese gangs represent their presence with their masks. (If you are speaking about ID77, I mentioned his situation. He was with me in the car from the beginning for some ic issues before the backup was ever called. We have so much RP interaction between him and our gang too, and any of that can be provided))

I really do not have anything useful to add anymore to this report. I'll be waiting for the staff response..

Edited May 15, 2022 by Kayta

[jason]

Thank you all for your replies, we'll inquire for anything further. I ask that you now stop posting responses unless you have information pertinent to the report. 

[Realism]

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On the radio your allies can be heard calling out that there's more of them prior to you taking the painkillers. Please address this.

Like I said the fighting at the moment had stopped and there was a short down time. When martin said they had backup coming he mentioned that one was pulled over and in the tone of his voice it did not sound like the comet would be pulling up literally a second later. I was told as long as the shootout is not active or at a standstill you can take a painkiller, and In the video there were no shots being exchanged when I took the painkiller.

I would also like to add ID 109 to the report, as this was the ID that I didnt catch.

Edited May 16, 2022 by Realism

[jason]

REPORT DENIED
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After our deliberations, we’ve concluded that this report will be denied for the following reason(s):

• Insufficient evidence of the accused rulebreak.

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Additionally, this player will receive the following note on their account:

• Kaleb_White (133) - Spoken to about using items for health regeneration in a shootout.
  
  @Realism We do not allow players to utilize items for health regeneration in the middle of shootouts. As seen in the footage and previously mentioned by myself, your allies can be heard warning you of the upcoming players at the time that you're taking the painkillers. As this was a close call with you having just started taking them at the same time, we will not be issuing you a punishment. If this action is repeated, however, it will be deemed as NonRP.
  
  To be perfectly clear: THIS IS NOT A PUNISHMENT. It will show as a warning on your alogs but does not affect your faction standing. It's simply a note for administration staff to keep track as to whether or not you're aware of this in the future should the action be repeated.

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This decision is final. Unless instructed to, if you post another player report pertaining to this incident, you may be muted from posting on the forums for a temporary period. If you disagree with the outcome of this report, please file an appeal following the appeal guidelines and format.

Regards,
jason & mills