Finley_Kong [5], George_Moore [83], Ernestas_Gremory [65], Ian_Connor [46], Jennifer_Sinclair [23], Frank_Xing [54], Pasha_Xiao [56], Tego_Walker [32], Jonas_Xing [3], Andrej_Krilin [20] - NRP, DM, MG

[kris giggs]

Player(s) being reported: 5, 83, 65, 46, 23, 54, 56, 32, 3, 20
Date of interaction reported: 11th of May, 2022
Unix time stamp from HUD: 1652267949

Your character name: Kris Davis
Other player(s) involved: Rashad Hunter, Joe Box, Ace Wilson, Denzel Davis, Deandre King

Specific rule(s) broken:
Non-Roleplay (NRP)
Actions that are unrealistic or promote poor quality roleplay are considered as non-roleplay.
Deathmatch (DM)
Deathmatching is the act of attacking a player without a proper IC motive and interaction.
Metagaming (MG)
Metagaming is the act of relaying IC information through any method not considered IC that has the potential to change current or future roleplay scenarios or using that information.

How did the player break the rule(s)?
People which are part of three different gangs: Shenzen, Fog and Irish got together and attacked a Royals shipment which was being guarded by GBK and Royals. All three of these groups, less than two hours prior, killed almost all of GBK at a robbery, this is important because of NLR factors. Any potential tension/escalation died with that situation, and these groups are rolling around going from incident to incident as one gang. 

The fact that they killed not only a gang that they have no issues with (as they were NLRd hours prior) but also an ally of one year is very concerning when looking at what makes sense in a roleplay environment versus seeking violent engagements. This was not their drop and they went to it specifically with people that should've never been involved.

Frank Xing stated in his response to the other report that George Moore participated in the prior attack naturally - did he participate in this one naturally as well? Is he just naturally a person likely to attack random gangs with his friends or how does it make any sense for gangs that have no issues to attack other gangs randomly together and risk their lives.

This is on top of the FOG-Shenzen connection which makes little sense as most of FOG were banned until three days ago, but now their relationship is so strong that they're hunting gangs together, over and over, even on the same frequency? I have reason to believe the players are metagaming their friendship on Eclipse LTU and bringing it to this server. There is very little connecting these players (fog - shenzen) other than that friendship on the aforementioned server.

Evidence of rule breach:


https://streamable.com/sj0ipf

[Arrta]

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Hi there! Thank you for submitting this player report.

This report will now be pending review by Gataki & ShawnsBeard and myself. During this time, we ask that you please refrain from any back-and-forth in this report between anyone involved.

Regards,
Senior Moderator Arrta & Senior Support Gataki & ShawnsBeard

[ShawnsBeard]

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After reviewing this report and the evidence attached to it, we have decided that this report cannot be concluded at this time. We would like to receive a response from the following player(s) to explain their side of the story:

• Kris_Davis (7) @kris giggs - Please collect and provide any further evidence of the scenario that you or members of your side of the reported scenario may have.

• Frank_Xing (54) @sickyy - Please collect and provide any evidence of the scenario that you may have for your faction (Shenzhen Dragons) as a whole and explain your faction's side of the reported scenario and answer the following questions:
  - What was your faction's reasoning for attacking the shipment of a faction that your group has been close with recently?  Has there been any escalation between your groups to warrant such an attack?
  - How and why were separate groups/people not in your faction (George, Ernestas, Ian, Tego and Andrej) a part of the attack on the shipment?

• George_Moore (83) @Jorge Compass - Please provide any evidence of the scenario that you may have, explain your side and answer the following questions:
  - How and why were you involved on the attack on the shipment when you are not a part of the Shenzhen Dragons faction?

• Ian_Connor (46) (Notified in Game) - Please provide any evidence of the scenario that you may have, explain your side and answer the following questions:
  - How and why were you involved on the attack on the shipment when you are not a part of the Shenzhen Dragons faction?
  - What faction do you represent?

• Ernestas_Gremory (65) @Ernestas Gremory - Please provide any evidence of the scenario that you may have, explain your side and answer the following questions:
  - How and why were you involved on the attack on the shipment when you are not a part of the Shenzhen Dragons faction?
  - What faction do you represent?

• Tego_Walker (32) (Notified in Game) - Please provide any evidence of the scenario that you may have, explain your side and answer the following questions:
  - How and why were you involved on the attack on the shipment when you are not a part of the Shenzhen Dragons faction?
  - What faction do you represent?

• Andrej_Krilin (20) @Andrej_Krilin - Please provide any evidence of the scenario that you may have, explain your side and answer the following questions:
  - How and why were you involved on the attack on the shipment when you are not a part of the Shenzhen Dragons faction?
  - What faction do you represent?

Due to the size and nature of this report, we ask that all parties refrain from any back and forth arguing.  Also, all parties should keep their reply to a single post with as much detail/explanation as possible.

If the requested player(s) do not respond within 24 hours, this report will be concluded based on the evidence that has already been provided, to the best of our ability. 

Regards,
Arrta & ShawnsBeard & Gataki

[sickyy]

Hello, Frank_Xing (ID 54) here!

First of all, we received a notification about a leaked shipment that was going to arrive at Fort Zancudo. This is when all of the people that were on the radio frequency, Ian, Andrej began to drive towards the drop location.

Upon arriving to the drop location, someone on the radio frequency told us that there are people in bushes shouting “this is GBK, leave“. Ever since Akira Takanashi left Royals and Shenzhen Dragons got the chance to work with the cartel, Royals and Shenzhen Dragons relation has been on a decline. Right after, this is when I asked one of my members to get in contact with a royal and ask them to leave as soon as we found out it is GBK‘s illegal shipment. However, someone then called out that the royal took off his shirt and suddenly shots were heard, the fight broke out. We once had a meeting with Royals whenever we talked about allying in which we said stated that our enemy is their enemy. The fact that they took their tops off to fight us and didn't listen whenever we asked them to leave gives us more than enough escalation.

I arrived late to the location and then noticed people ID 65 Ernestas Gremory and ID 32 Tego Walker. Ernestas Gremory is an ex-Shenzhen Dragon and Tego was a hangaround in the gang as he is a very close friend of Ernestas Gremory. I did not shoot them because I recognized the vehicle, them and the fact that they were not hostile around us. I happened to run into them naturally and were never on the same radio frequency. Later after this situation, I was told that Ernestas_Gremory and Tego_Walker compromised the illegal shipment through Royals dealers which probably explains why we received the leaked information about the drop in the first place.

To be frank, this is a situation that I was really confused about as both parties that attempted to compromise the shipment managed to acquire the information about the compromised drop organically. We received a notification whereas the rest of the people compromised it through the NPC. I'm not too sure if this is an act of backup breach because me as well as my members continued fighting after noticing both ID 65 and 32. If this is an act of backup breach, I deeply apologize and will take this as a learning experience.

I arrived to the location with George_Moore in the passenger seat. George was with us ever since the situation started and he never requested backup from anyone. George is an ex-Shenzhen Dragon and had been with the organization in the past for almost half a year. I did not ask anyone to arrive at the situation apart from the people that were already on the radio frequency.

Regarding Ian_Connor and Andrej_Krilin, as I mentioned in the previous report, they are hangarounds and they have been making money and hanging around with Shenzhen Dragons for the past couple days.

To answer the question what was the reasoning for attacking the shipment that my group has been close with recently, we asked Royals to stay out of this situation in which they responded with taking their tops off and joining GBK. After prior incidents with GBK there was no positive incentive for us to not comp this shipment. Value of shipments vary tremendously. With the amount of presence by the reporting party had made clear to us that there is a high chance this was a shipment of value. Comping the shipment was of more value to us than relations with a street gang who we had a couple of bad run-ins in the past two days as well as new organizations have approached providing more for us as a whole.

In addition, as a matter of fact, GBK opened fire on us first as they began shooting Ian_Connor which escalates the situation even further. DeAndre shouted at Ian_Connor to get off the bike and initiated the entire shootout by shooting after his demands at Ian. It takes two parties to have a shootout. In this situation we arrived at a compromised drop notification, but it was GBK who originally gave demands and began the shootout. We returned fire.

I do not have any POV of this situation as I never thought that there would be a report made to begin with nor was I requested to save the footage.

Edited May 11, 2022 by sickyy
added missing part

[Jorge Compass]

(43) George Moore here - After the chop shop situation I went to grab food then came back, getting into Frank's car. I was tabbed out doing an assignment for the majority of the buildup, but regardless Frank began to drive towards Zancudo. Whilst we were at Zancudo I started to talk to JJ Sinclair then shots started firing. Frank said something along the lines of “Come on” and got out of the car, so I obviously did so. I attempted to stay close to Frank during the entire situation so I would not get shot by any friendlies.

 

Why was I willing to put my life in danger for Frank/Shenzhen? I was a Shenzhen Dragon member for 6 months or so, with being 4th in command for 2 or so months. During this time, I built many friendships and would happily be willing to risk my character's life for them. As a result, I believe this is enough interaction and motivation to preserve Frank and other’s lives. 

Edited May 12, 2022 by Jorge Compass
spell mistake for preserve

[Tego Walker]

Hello, Tego Walker (ID 32) here. Thank you Arrta, Gataki and ShawnsBeard for handling this report.

First of all me and ID 65 Ernestas Gremory together was checking the dealers for any illegal shipment. When we came to one of the Roayals dealers and tried to extract any information he said to us about Fort Zancudo illegal shipment and I instantly took a screenshot. 

When we realized about shipment location we picked up our weapons and together drove towards the drop location to see the situation. Upon arriving to the drop location we saw few cars, some of them being familiar. After few minutes me and ID 65 we saw that shipment was dropped and we got out of the car to look whats inside shipment and about 20 seconds later we heard shots. When someone hit our car, we decided to answer the same way. Then we noticed Shenzen Dragon, people who are also trying to take drop. In fact Shenzen were not hostile to us, me and my friend Ernestas were never be on the same radio frequency with Shenzhen. After shootout we were informed that this shipment was leaked to Shenzen which can explain why they came to shipment location.

To answer the question, how and why were involved on the attack on the shipment when you are not a part of the Shenzen Dragon faction? In this situation I was involved when I succeeded to intimidate a dealer who said about shipment location in Fort Zancudo.

To answer second question, what faction do you represent? At this time I don't represesnt any faction

 

Edited May 12, 2022 by Tego Walker
Corrected a mistakes

[pasha9]

Hello Pasha Xiao here, even though I didn't get tagged for a response, I was involved in this situation and have few concerns:
Why don't you post full POV of you off-roading with your boys with a drag and shinobi? Why don't you post Deandre Kings POV of him giving demands to a already moving bike (INVALID DEMANDS) and started blasting him, (DEMANDS DONT GIVE DM RIGHTS) (DM) from Deandre King.
you're saying that we DMed you guys but we cant really see it clearly in your POV Deandre King was Closer can he post his POV?

So I would love if all the footage reporting party have is posted publicly as report guidelines do not allow you to hide evidence.

Frank has summed up the entire situation pretty well.



Best Regards
Pasha Xiao

Edited May 12, 2022 by pasha9

[iaNc]

Hello, Ian Connor here.

Like I said in my earlier report, the last few days i’ve been spending time with Shenzhen Dragons. After our recent chopshop toolbox hit, we were still hanging around together. Someone in the frequency said that we've been notified about a shipment, landing in Fort Zancudo, so we all pulled up to that location. While others waited patiently, in order to know if someone's hiding near the drop location, I started scouting around the bushes and a GBK member jumped on me out of the bush with a pistol and immediately opened fire. What was the reason to start blasting me and make active shootout while i was driving BF one second after demands when i didnt even react to them? DeAndre maybe you can provide footage of that incident? 

[Andrej_Krilin]

Hello, Andrej Krilin ID 20 here.

- How and why were you involved on the attack on the shipment when you are not a part of the Shenzhen Dragons faction?

 Me and Ian have been spending time with shenzens for few days. We've been on the same freq as shenzen for a whole day, earlier that day we comped their chopshop and took it. After some time someone in freq said about a comped drop. I followed the call and went straight to Fort Zancudo drop location which was called. Been there for at least 5-10 minutes, everything started when one of GBK gave demands to Ian, which led to a big fight and ended in many dead GBK members. My POV would lead to more information, but no one requested me to save it, so I didn't.

- What faction do you represent?

I don't represent any faction at this time.

 

[sNo0BbZz]

Hello, I know I was not asked to give my side of the story but i feel as if there is a few things that have been misunderstood from the situation and need to be clarified.

Royals where completley oblivious of any IC beef between GBK and shenzhen as shenzhen never informed us ICly about anything and GBK told us at the scene of the drop that they are neutral with shenzhen, so the royals at the scene of the drop ( me and Joe_Box) where under the assumption that it was only the fog group comping it. I contacted a shenzhen member and informed them about royals being in the area and I recieved a short response of something along the lines of "I recommend you leave" so we thought that Shenzhen knew of a large force that was about to comp the drop. So we stayed as we thought that shenzhen will not intervene, we took off our shirts because we knew that this group likes to wear blue sometimes so we did that to avoid confusion. You can even hear me say in the clip the reporting party supplied saying "thats dragons" halfway thru the fight.

I Think this was just poor communication and alot of confusion ICly that lead to this as I believe that neither royals or shenzhen wanted to engage each other at all.

Just wanted to add this to clear up any confusions.

[Ernestas Gremory]

Hello,

to answer the first question of "- How and why were you involved on the attack on the shipment when you are not a part of the Shenzhen Dragons faction?"

Tego explained the whole situation involving me and him perfectly, we were both there when the shipment was comped and drove towards the drop location where we later encountered other people who turned out to be people we know and are on good terms with. Since the whole scenario occurred naturally, we were heavily geared and also surrounded by allies we decided not to leave.

and for the second question of "- What faction do you represent?" 

i do not represent any faction

P.S. it would be very nice if people decided to talk things out and find some sort of mutual agreement instead of making these petty reports. But if you do, don't forget to mention the various rulebreaks that happened from your end too ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Arrta]

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@sickyy, @pasha9 & @iaNc, if you believe that DeAndre King broke a rule, please open a separate report on that part of this incident.
We are going to move forward on the claims of backup breach and NRP/MG that were brought up by the reporter.

After reviewing this report and the evidence attached to it, we have decided that this report cannot be concluded at this time. While everyone we requested gave testimony we got not additional footage and would like to reach back out to all parties to see if there is anything else that can be supplied on this incident.
As a result, we would like to receive a response from the following player(s) to explain their side of the story:

• @kris giggs - Kris_Davis (7), @sickyy - Frank_Xing (54), @Jorge Compass - George_Moore (83), @iaNc - Ian_Connor (46), @Ernestas Gremory - Ernestas_Gremory (65), @Tego Walker - Tego_Walker (32), @Andrej_Krilin - Andrej_Krilin (20), @fastz - Finley_Kong (5), @Howey860 - Jennifer_Sinclair (23), @pasha9 - Pasha_Xiao (56), @Emptee - Jonas_Xing (3), @alexalex303 - DeAndre_King (unknown), @Joe_Box - Joe_Box (unknown), @sNo0BbZz - Rashad_Hunter (unknown) - Please provide any evidence of the scenario that you may have

If the requested player(s) do not respond within 24 hours, this report will be concluded based on the evidence that has already been provided, to the best of our ability. 

Regards,
Senior Moderator Arrta & Senior Support ShawnsBeard & Gataki

[kris giggs]

This is Kris Davis responding to the request for more evidence and details
 
I think I covered a lot of the things in the first post but I do have evidence that contradicts the defense of the two gangs attacking us even more than they are already contradicting themselves.
 
Andrej Krillin stated that he is not affiliated with anyone in the report - while stating in-game that he's with FOG. The leader of Shenzen Frank Xing stated that Andrej Krillin is with them as a hangaround. He was also involved in another potential backup breach report two hours prior.
 

Either Andrej is not with them and Frank lied, in which case backup rule was broken or Andrej is with them, and he lied and the backup rule was broken by the rest of the "not fog" people. Either way this was two groups that conspired to attack us together and even more a member of Irish tagged along just naturally to two different attacks.
 
https://streamable.com/z8olsc
 
Here you will see a recording of them talking prior to any hostile engagement or any contact, really, this group of players can be heard talking Lithuanian in-character. The two groups are found speaking a foreign language in character, which makes it hard to believe that the two groups had no knowledge of one another as the reported parties claim. Between 1:55 to around 2:10 the three players exchanged words in a foreign language, which I assume is Lithuanian.

In the video you can see Ernestas Gremory (65), Tego Walker (32) talking to Ian Connor (46) about shooting us at the drop which was not theirs and which they were attacking together. By Frank Xing's own words Ian Connor is with them and as such their group knew about each other intentions and decided to stay together. I have reason to believe all of the players involved were on a singular frequency contrary to what was previously said and this can be confirmed though the logs should the administrators check. If you check logs you will also see that between twenty or so players from three different gangs no one shot at anyone other than GBK and Royals. That is very good coordination for just randomly encountering friends - having a very good ability to recognize them in the middle of a gunfight.
 
If you add onto it the fact that Shenzen specifically warned Royals not to come and stay away it becomes very clear what happened here. Towards the end of the video you can even see them get in positions to fight as soon as they get asked to leave the drop that does not belong to them. They knew why they were there, the members of three different gangs. 

[Andrej_Krilin]

Hello this is Andrej Krilin ID 20.

I do not have any evidence, like I said before none of us got any request to do so.

Hey Kris, I can see some false info in your text. I think u miss understood what I said to you, I meant that the group isn't called "FOG", not that it's called "Not fog", basically group like "Fog", "not Fog" does not exist, there's no such as thing as group, it's just friends. Like I said i'm just saying to you that i'm FOG to make mad, angry, basically just to shit talk. And yes, the leader of Shenzen Frank Xing is not lying, that we are hang arounds, like I said before we've been spending some time together in the same freq for quite time. 

Thanks for you time, feel free to ask me more questions.

 

[Tego Walker]

Hello, Tego_Walker (ID 32) here.

Theres POV who provides my scenario https://streamable.com/ff8zdi . You can see that at 0.06 second in POV someone hit our car as I mentioned at my story. The truth is the observation that the shoot started not 20 seconds after I wrote, but about 2-3 seconds after we got out of the car with Ernest Gremory. I uploaded another photo when someone hits our car and we responded the same way. Time stamp : 1652267914

This shot was the reason why Ernestas and I started shooting at you because, as I mentioned before Shenzen were not hostile to us.

The other thing I would like to talk about is Kris responses and his tales. So Hey Kris you are saying that me and ID 62 was talking with ID 46 , when you can clearly see in POV that I am silent. Second thing that your saying that ‘‘Three players exchanged words in a foreign language, which I assume as Lithuanina.“ In your POV clearly can hear that only one people talking in Lithuanian,so how can you say that we three are talking, ID 46 replied only one word ‘‘Yo‘‘ or something like that. Next time, don’t write that everyone is talking because a different truth is clearly visible.

How can you state our intentions when you don't even know what Ernestas is talking about? In your response you were stating that you don't even know what language it was and now you state that he was talking about "Shooting us at the drop location". Stop trying to put blame on every aspect you can without even knowing what was being said by Ernestas. 

I don't understand where you're pulling the conspiracy theories about being on the same radio frequency when we wrote to you clearly that we weren't. But it's no problem logs can show everything. I wasn't even lazy and uploaded a photo that I extracted info from dealer and came for it. A man writes about some kind of coordination to recognize people at the point of shooting when he already sees that people without shirts are shooting us.

I don’t know what Chris wanted to describe here, but about 50 percent of his words are tales and various guesses. I would suggest uploading more than one POV from the situation next time, otherwise the administration may have a month to process such reports. The fact is that when you uploaded an answer, you did not post your extended POV, but threw in another person.

Thank you for paying attention to this moment so much, if there will be more questions I will definitely answer.

Edited May 14, 2022 by Tego Walker
Corrected few mistakes

[fastz]

Hello, Finley Kong, 5 ID here.

I wasn't asked to save POV nor I did save it myself, due to my own understanding of rules I thought I won't need to save my POV because the rules weren't violated. By the backup rule I do not see how come this rule is violated? Not even talking about MG/NRP rules..

Knowing the facts, that:

1. There wasn't any calls for backup from other organisation nor that organisation exists.

2. The drop got compromised by Tego Walker(talking about MG rule is out of question here) and members being in the Shenzhen faction have received the compromised drop's location.

I did not shoot Ernestas Gremory and Tego Walker in the situation because I thought they were friends with Andrej Krillin. I've had many interactions between Andrej Krillin before, plus knew Ernestas Gremory because he was in the Shenzhen before.

The backup rule states:

By this part of the backup rule I do not see how the backup rule is breached here. Andrej Krillin and Ian Connor was playing with Shenzhen for a few days already so they and Shenzhen decided to come and check the compromised drop. Everything happened ICly, individuals Ernestas and Tego interacted here naturally because they compromised the drop and by the server script the notification about compromised drop came to Shenzhen members. Also players couldn't consider that it was the big risk because GBK and Royals were hidden they might have thought that it was only one member who ordered the drop.

If this report might be concluded as the backup breach, please rewrite the backup rule so it would be more understandable and precise because I've always understood this rule like that, since it was written.

Edited May 14, 2022 by fastz

[Arrta]

@sickyy Frank_Xing (54) & @Tego Walker Tego_Walker (32) - You both supplied screenshots of drop information being discovered. Do either of you have a full screen shot of this so we can see the UNIX time?

Regards,
Senior Moderator Arrta & Senior Support ShawnsBeard & Gataki

[sickyy]

11 minutes ago, Arrta said:

@sickyy Frank_Xing (54) & @Tego Walker Tego_Walker (32) - You both supplied screenshots of drop information being discovered. Do either of you have a full screen shot of this so we can see the UNIX time?

Regards,
Senior Moderator Arrta & Senior Support ShawnsBeard & Gataki

[Tego Walker]

Hi this is full screenshot but you can't see the UNIX time while I open this extract intel. This is not a problem because I know that you can check this information with logs.

Edited May 14, 2022 by Tego Walker

[Arrta]

@Tego Walker Tego_Walker (32) - Did you have any contact with the other players prior to the reported situation?

Regards,
Senior Moderator Arrta & Senior Support ShawnsBeard & Gataki

[Tego Walker]

27 minutes ago, Arrta said:

@Tego Walker Tego_Walker (32) - Did you have any contact with the other players prior to the reported situation?

Regards,
Senior Moderator Arrta & Senior Support ShawnsBeard & Gataki

I haven't had interaction with Shenzen for around an hout or two before the drop situation 

Edited May 14, 2022 by Tego Walker

[Arrta]

@Tego Walker Tego_Walker (32) - Why did you make a phone call to Frank Xing prior to the reported incident?

Regards,
Senior Moderator Arrta & Senior Support ShawnsBeard & Gataki

[Tego Walker]

I don't remember why I made the phone call but as far as my memory goes I didn't make the phone call after I compromised the royal drop, I made it an hour or two before. Also I don't understand how this phone call is relevant to the reported situation ?

[Arrta]

@Tego Walker Tego_Walker (32) - At UNIX 1652267601 you placed a phone call to Frank_Xing. This was just over 5 mins before the start or the reporting parties video.
@sickyy Frank_Xing (54) - Do you remember this call?

Regards,
Senior Moderator Arrta & Senior Support ShawnsBeard & Gataki

[sickyy]

4 minutes ago, Arrta said:

@Tego Walker Tego_Walker (32) - At UNIX 1652267601 you placed a phone call to Frank_Xing. This was just over 5 mins before the start or the reporting parties video.
@sickyy Frank_Xing (54) - Do you remember this call?

Regards,
Senior Moderator Arrta & Senior Support ShawnsBeard & Gataki

I don't remember any phone call, I think my phone was off or I didn't see any phone call. If there ever was a phone call, I didn't pick it up as far as I remember