TheMksX2 Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 Player(s) being reported: Stranger 6171_5045; Paulo 989_547 Date of rule breach: Sep 22, 2018 Time of rule breach: 22:30 UTC +3h Your characters name: Michael Grigorovic Other players involved: James Dingle(5253_8909); Stranger(1053_9337); Sigito(4150_9951) Specific rule broken: 6.6 Non-roleplay 6.6.1 Actions that are unrealistic or promote poor quality roleplay are considered as non-roleplay. 6.6.2 Examples of actions that are considered as non-roleplay: • Theft of a vehicle by hijacking the driver without any roleplay, when there are no circumstances to justify it, such as your character being in immediate danger of getting killed or arrested; • An attempt to provoke a police chase, without a realistic reason, also known as “cop baiting” (a realistic reason would be to divert police units away from an area, where your allies plan to commit a serious crime or are in the progress of one); • Hurting an injured player, because they ask to be killed, also known as “mercy killing” (usually done to respawn their character quicker, it’s unrealistic, because in reality people do not respawn). • Use of an expensive vehicle, such as a super car, to ram into other vehicles (players should show care and value their luxury vehicles, because they are costly to repair). How did the player break the rule?: We were having a prison break we had a lot of armed people, and 2 hostages, and the police instead of rping just rushed in with shotguns and shot us all, not at all fearing for their co-workers. They refused to roleplay. (About prison being ncz you can /ncz there and there are exception that you can make a prison riot so we basically did that(Hostage cops were roleplaying very good, they "accepted" the roleplay; was there to confirm @Marco Davis props to those cops who were hostages)) Evidence of rule breach: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulo Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 First of all I would like to raise the question of how 4 prisoners have pistols and radio on them, It is highly unlikely that the LSPD had let 4 prisoners slip through with weapons and weapons on them meaning they must have exploited the bug of smuggling weapons into a high security prison which is the first rule breach. The second breach of the server rules is the fact that James Dingle is evidently 3rd person looking around the wall to see the 2 operatives enter, showing no /me to peer around the corner which I believe may fall under the power gaming or meta gaming offence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Gill Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 Firstly - Bug exploiting to provide weapons inside the prison ( Maximum security prison with armed tower guards ( N C Z ) ) through a solid concrete 7 meter high wall. Secondly - A shot was fired, we feared for the officers life, the choice was made to breach and clear. ( Mission success ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMksX2 Posted September 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 (edited) First we didnt get searched we were just arrested still had a pistol on(2 in total on me) me and radio Second all the other pistols were gotten from officers in RP. That was unrealistic what you did, there is no excuse in my opinion. Even James Dingle had a pistol in prison, other guy had a knife dont think this is abuse but poor rp from cops in general in the past week that i have noticed. Edited September 23, 2018 by TheMksX2 More info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireCracker Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 I kept running round corners and then police shouted they were entering so that's how I knew. /ncz also allows smuggling btw. We finally managed to create some RP in prison for it to just end up wasted by the police AGAIN. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Gill Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 (edited) In what reality would a prisoner be able to get a gun with him in prison? RP doesnt always have to be a violent prison break. Edited September 25, 2018 by James Gill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMksX2 Posted September 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 Tell your officers to search us before getting us jailed and stop spamming the report, thank you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireCracker Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 12 hours ago, James Gill said: In what reality would a prisoner be able to get a gun with him in prison? RP doesnt always have to be a violent prison break. You do realise the shit that gets smuggled into prison right? How is it our fault the PD treat the prison in such a way they don't care as they know they are safe? They should chexk us thoroughly as they would in a jail. We respect it's an NCZ so you respect your job as an officer and do what is required of you rather than complaining because your colleagues couldn't be bothered doing theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Gill Posted September 27, 2018 Report Share Posted September 27, 2018 Thats another issue at hand. BB is currently a NCZ. You also fired a shot triggeeing the assault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireCracker Posted September 27, 2018 Report Share Posted September 27, 2018 1 hour ago, James Gill said: Thats another issue at hand. BB is currently a NCZ. You also fired a shot triggeeing the assault. Again the NCZ allowed the riot. Triggering the assault I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckM Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 @TheMksX2, thank you for making this report and everyone's patience while the evidence is reviewed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckM Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 The following players will have 24 hours to explain why the took police officers hostage in a No Crime Zone. Michael_Grigorovic | Stranger 9382_9364 @TheMksX2 Ben_Dovery | Stranger 261_4678 @BenDover James_Dingle | Stranger 5253_8909 @FireCracker Pablo_Davis | Stranger 1053_9337. I will unable to locate a forum account for this player so if you see them please notify them of this report. Dom_Willy | Stranger 6213_6489 @Jakeylad4 Sigito_Nemosic | Stranger 4150_9951 @Andrej1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireCracker Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 47 minutes ago, Charlie Mangione said: The following players will have 24 hours to explain why the took police officers hostage in a No Crime Zone. Michael_Grigorovic | Stranger 9382_9364 @TheMksX2 Ben_Dovery | Stranger 261_4678 @BenDover James_Dingle | Stranger 5253_8909 @FireCracker Pablo_Davis | Stranger 1053_9337. I will unable to locate a forum account for this player so if you see them please notify them of this report. Dom_Willy | Stranger 6213_6489 @Jakeylad4 Sigito_Nemosic | Stranger 4150_9951 @Andrej1 Please do /ncz over the Prison it allows riots. The police agreed so we proceeded to follow those NCZ rules and engage in some good RP. I told everyone over and over they cannot release us or anything. You cannot warn us when it literally states inside that NCZ we can riot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMksX2 Posted October 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) It was before the rule change where you need senior admin to allow riots it has been changed now, marco davis was there as an admin and allowed us to continue Edited October 10, 2018 by TheMksX2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckM Posted October 10, 2018 Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 @Marco Davis, can you confirm that you granted these players permission to start a riot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMksX2 Posted October 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 (Still this was before you needed permission it said in /ncz that you can start later the rules changed) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoloft Posted October 10, 2018 Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) I remember this when it happened I was one of them there however my crimes was just due up, Marco Davis teleported to us and asked "what are you doing" at this point we said do /ncz and then he just said continue and then went on his merry way Edited October 10, 2018 by HiVe_Zoloft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcoD Posted October 10, 2018 Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 @Charlie Mangione They did not get my permission prior to the riot nor did they get it from any staff member. I was there midway through the riot but at that point the officers had already agreed to rp the riot and PD had backup coming so I did not keep it paused for too long. I did question whether they needed permission or not prior to the riot which I later found out they did but I was not aware at the time when I was at the prison, and they did not have permission before the riot started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireCracker Posted October 10, 2018 Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Marco Davis said: @Charlie Mangione They did not get my permission prior to the riot nor did they get it from any staff member. I was there midway through the riot but at that point the officers had already agreed to rp the riot and PD had backup coming so I did not keep it paused for too long. I did question whether they needed permission or not prior to the riot which I later found out they did but I was not aware at the time when I was at the prison, and they did not have permission before the riot started. In our defense in /ncz it literally states we can riot if initiated by someone with a gun. At no point does it state that you need ANY staff permission. All officers involved agreed to RP and now once again a report has been made on the PD and it ALWAYS gets flipped on the criminals, probably because PD is never wrong due to it being full of staff. Am I right? Edited October 10, 2018 by FireCracker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMksX2 Posted October 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 Admins are always so biased towards pd and it looks pathetic, you changed the /ncz at prison after that happened, before that it didn't state we needed permission from anyone, and officers agreed to rp so what's the problem about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckM Posted October 13, 2018 Report Share Posted October 13, 2018 After reviewing the evidence and player comments I will conclude this report. The officers on the scene followed PD protocol to breach the area after they heard a fired shot. They did not break any server rules but if you feel like they did their job poorly you can make an Internal Affairs report against the officers involved. Holding police officers hostage with weapons in the prison is a breach of the NCZ. Yes you are allowed to riot but that is not the same as a hostage situation. I can see how the /ncz feature may have been confusing so I am going to verbally warn everyone involved not to do something like that again with Senior Admin+ approval. Report Denied Locked & Archived Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
