Donnie_Drakk (120), Zero_Woods (206) - (Deathmatching)

[Jay Lost]

Player(s) being reported: ID 120 + 206 
Date of interaction reported: 16/04/2022.
Unix time stamp from HUD: 1650150404

Your character name: Jay Lost
Other player(s) involved: N/A

Specific rule(s) broken:
Deathmatching.

How did the player break the rule(s)?  (300 words maximum)
Deathmatching, simple as that. Zero demands were given, he probably had a reason to shot but with zero escalation.
I asked both parties to save POV as can be seen in my evidence.

Evidence of rule breach
The first video shows ID 120 starts shooting and 206 try to beat me, and the second video shows how 206 finish me on the ground for no reason as he was not involved in this specific situation.

 

 

Edited April 16, 2022 by Jay Lost

[Yputi]

Pending review

[Yputi]

PENDING RESPONSE
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After reviewing this report and the evidence attached to it, we have decided that this report cannot be concluded at this time. We would like to receive a response from the following player:

• [@Jay Lost] - Jay_Lost (177) - Please present the full unedited footage (no cuts/separate video's and no sound removed). Additionally, please explain why it can be seen that OOC chat is being utilized to inform the players to "Save POV". Do you believe this contributes positively to the community?

• Zero_Woods (206) - Please explain your side of the story. Additionally, please explain the motive behind the attack on the reporting player. Present any evidence you may have.

• [@Donnie Dark] - Donnie_Drakk (120) - Please explain your side of the story. Additionally, please explain the motive behind the attack on the reporting player. Present any evidence you may have.

   

If the requested player(s) do not respond within 24 hours, this report will be concluded based on the evidence that has already been provided, to the best of our ability. 

Regards,
Yputi

[Jay Lost]

5 hours ago, Yputi said:

PENDING RESPONSE
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After reviewing this report and the evidence attached to it, we have decided that this report cannot be concluded at this time. We would like to receive a response from the following player:

• [@Jay Lost] - Jay_Lost (177) - Please present the full unedited footage (no cuts/separate video's and no sound removed). Additionally, please explain why it can be seen that OOC chat is being utilized to inform the players to "Save POV". Do you believe this contributes positively to the community?

• Zero_Woods (206) - Please explain your side of the story. Additionally, please explain the motive behind the attack on the reporting player. Present any evidence you may have.

• [@Donnie Dark] - Donnie_Drakk (190) - Please explain your side of the story. Additionally, please explain the motive behind the attack on the reporting player. Present any evidence you may have.

   

If the requested player(s) do not respond within 24 hours, this report will be concluded based on the evidence that has already been provided, to the best of our ability. 

Regards,
Yputi

This is the only footage I have, I didn't mute sound and I can't figure out why sound is not being recorded also in other games.

 

Regarding the "Save POV", I forgot where it's written but I know usually admins ask the reporting party to ask the involved players to save POV so we can see their side of view. If I was not supposed to do this, please accept my apologies.

[Zero Woods]

Zero Woods 

Balla

 

The reason behind my attack was that the person that was killed has been trying to steal people stuff from the trunk he looked into my bike trunk as well as 2 other peoples i was already starting to argument towards this player but he was too busy walking around trying to steal other he stole one of that guys stuff such as a crowbar and much more so i proceeded to try and kill him since the person that he took the stuff off was a ally with the gang i am currently in. I proceeded to kill the person fully due to stealing that he was doing

The pov that this person has provided only showed this person stealing the guys stuff from that car but shortly before that he went into my bike and another persons vehicle. trying to see if there was any sort of stuff in there

 

If you need me to go in much more detail please tell me i will reply as much more detail if I can 

 

[Jay Lost]

29 minutes ago, Zero Woods said:

Zero Woods 

Balla

 

The reason behind my attack was that the person that was killed has been trying to steal people stuff from the trunk he looked into my bike trunk as well as 2 other peoples i was already starting to argument towards this player but he was too busy walking around trying to steal other he stole one of that guys stuff such as a crowbar and much more so i proceeded to try and kill him since the person that he took the stuff off was a ally with the gang i am currently in. I proceeded to kill the person fully due to stealing that he was doing

The pov that this person has provided only showed this person stealing the guys stuff from that car but shortly before that he went into my bike and another persons vehicle. trying to see if there was any sort of stuff in there

 

If you need me to go in much more detail please tell me i will reply as much more detail if I can 

 

 

Yes, I tried to search your trunk like 10 minutes earlier, at that time you just told me not to search your trunk and you just drove off.

Also, it does not grant you DM rights on me and you can't finish me on the ground just like that.

[Zero Woods]

25 minutes ago, Jay Lost said:

Yes, I tried to search your trunk like 10 minutes earlier, at that time you just told me not to search your trunk and you just drove off.

Also, it does not grant you DM rights on me and you can't finish me on the ground just like that.

To be honest bro it wasn't 10 minutes ago but you can say that and it was like 3 minutes ago till you searched my bike and i was trying to rp with you but you weren't rping back then you searched my other friends trunk so yh but i am not arguing with you on forums since it is unprofessional and not used for this type of reason.

[Zero Woods]

3 minutes ago, Zero Woods said:

To be honest bro it wasn't 10 minutes ago but you can say that and it was like 3 minutes ago till you searched my bike and i was trying to rp with you but you weren't rping back then you searched my other friends trunk so yh but i am not arguing with you on forums since it is unprofessional and not used for this type of reason.

As well as you cant just used 2 sort of clips in two different situations you need to have the full clip since you can just edit out the part with me in it cause you only provided the part where you stole his loot. You was Non-Roleplay (NRP) ignoring rp 

also you are stealing peoples loot with no rp reason such as you were not talking to them or having any interactions with the person for you to be able to steal that sort of loot. The evidence that you have provided has no voice this means how the admins know that we was engaging in rp?

[Jay Lost]

4 minutes ago, Zero Woods said:

As well as you cant just used 2 sort of clips in two different situations you need to have the full clip since you can just edit out the part with me in it cause you only provided the part where you stole his loot. You was Non-Roleplay (NRP) ignoring rp 

also you are stealing peoples loot with no rp reason such as you were not talking to them or having any interactions with the person for you to be able to steal that sort of loot. The evidence that you have provided has no voice this means how the admins know that we was engaging in rp?

It was not edited. The first clip I did ALT+F10 at the moment he killed me so shadowplay cut it as one clip the moment I hit ALT+F10, I did not know you are going to kill me 3 minutes later, therefore it is in two clips.

Please share your footage. That is why I asked you to save POV.

[Zero Woods]

4 minutes ago, Jay Lost said:

It was not edited. The first clip I did ALT+F10 at the moment he killed me so shadowplay cut it as one clip the moment I hit ALT+F10, I did not know you are going to kill me 3 minutes later, therefore it is in two clips.

Please share your footage. That is why I asked you to save POV.

so you shadowed played 2 clips and they are a different times?

[Zero Woods]

3 minutes ago, Zero Woods said:

so you shadowed played 2 clips and they are a different times?

To the moderator reviewing this please forgive me not providing clips of this specific incident but as you can tell he said it was not edited and he shadow played twice but 2 different times. As well as that he has no audio in this clips so him explaining why there shouldn't be no deathmatch demands should be avoided since i was trying to rp with him but he was not replying as you can see in the video the talking was not popping up.

If it was me not saying i make the decisions it looks like he purposefully trying to make him look like the victim by only showing parts where it looks wrong but removed the rp section. 

 

[Zero Woods]

You can also see in the pov that i was trying to give him demands whilst my friend had a gun but he was not listening and carried on running.

You can see in the right section of the screen in the first pov i was shouting to him about stealing my stuff but he carried on stealing other peoples stuff from the trunk without any reason

[Jay Lost]

1 hour ago, Zero Woods said:

so you shadowed played 2 clips and they are a different times?

How so? Look at the UNIX time stamp and chat on the left, the second clip is exactly a sequel to the first.

Even if you said you tried to give demands (Which you didn't, I hope admins can check that), you had no gun in your hands (so you can't give demands) and no DM rights on me, the other guy who opened fire first had DM rights on me but with poor escalation and zero demands. That I checked your trunk 10 minutes earlier does NOT grant you DM rights.

Not sure why you try to confuse the admins instead of providing some real evidence to support your claims.

I will not respond further and let admins review it accordingly.

Edited April 17, 2022 by Jay Lost

[Jayyy]

Please refrain from a back and forth argument. This does not help the situation and will only cause further complications for all parties involved.

[Donnie Dark]

I pulled into parking unparked my issi then the  reporting party entered my trunk and took multiple items before taking off running so I shot him in hopes he would fear for his life and stop  but that was not the case and he wound up getting injured by my shots. 

 

 

Edited April 18, 2022 by Donnie Dark

[Zero Woods]

On 4/18/2022 at 3:50 AM, Donnie Dark said:

I pulled into parking unparked my issi then the  reporting party entered my trunk and took multiple items before taking off running so I shot him in hopes he would fear for his life and stop  but that was not the case and he wound up getting injured by my shots. 

 

 

As you can see from this clip you heard me at the start talking about how he searched my vehicles and bike and started doing everything if it was 10 minutes ago why would i still be talking about it. it would only make sense if i was talking about it if it was very recent. 

As well as the fact that he didn't engage in no rp for him to do so was there a reason that you started searching peoples trunk or was there not?

[Yputi]

REPORT DENIED
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After our deliberations, we’ve concluded that this report will be denied.
A decision was made to have the players learn from this report rather than issuing any punishments as we believe there can be improvements from both sides.
We request all involved players to still read the following with full attention, as we believe that the players need learn from this situation.

The situation:
The provided footage shows player Jay_Lost (177) standing at the general parking garage with multiple other players around. Jay_Lost (177) tries to interact with a vehicle that player Donnie_Drakk (120) eventually enters. Jay_Lost (177) eventually succeeds in accessing the trunk space of the vehicle while Donnie_Drakk (120) is still in the vehicle. Jay_Lost (177) then moves a Knife and a crowbar from the inventory of the car to his own inventory, Donnie_Drakk (120) quickly reversing as the vehicle gets locked.
From here, player Zero_Woods (206) approached Jay_Lost (177), but Jay_Lost (177) runs away to the other side of the road. As Jay_Lost (177) looks back while running, Donnie_Drakk (120) can be seen pulling a weapon out and shooting at Jay_Lost (177). Meanwhile, Zero_Woods (206) continues to sprint after Jay_Lost (177). Both players keep running while Donnie_Drakk (120) approaches the running players again in a vehicle. Zero_Woods (206) tries to perform a melee attack on Jay_Lost (177), but the players keep running after Donnie_Drakk (120) also leaves their vehicle to eventually discharge a firearm on Jay_Lost (177) again, causing Jay_Lost (177) to get injured.
As Jay_Lost (177) enters the injured animation, /b gets utilized by the player to state the following:

• Save POV
• 206 you too
• Save POV
• All gucci bro, there are rules
• This is RP server

As other players approach the scene, Zero_Woods (206) eventually shoots Jay_Lost (177), causing their character to die and respawn.

Provided statements:
Both Jay_Lost (177), Zero_Woods (206) and Donnie_Drakk (120) have recieved an inquiry, which all players responded to.

Jay_Lost (177) stated to not have additional footage. Additionally, the players stated to have forgotten where "it's written" and stated that admins ask the reporting party to inform the reported players to save their POV.

Zero_Woods (206) stated that the reason behind the attack was Jay_Lost (177) trying to steal stuff both previously and in the reported situation, which involved an ally.

Donnie_Drakk (120) stated that shots were fired at the player in the hopes the player would fear for his life and stop. However, the player did not stop.

Final verdict:
As stated previously, we believe that on both sides there is something that can be learned from this report.

Report requirements:
I would like to focus on the provided evidence first. On our requirements under the "What constitutes as evidence?" section, the following is stated:

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• All videos and screenshots may not be edited or tampered with in any way. Video evidence must be viewable with readable resolution and screenshots must be of appropriate size to clearly see all text. Audio should be present in all videos and no evidence can be cropped. 

The provided evidence consisted out of 2 separate clips of different lengths with no audio present at all. If you experience any recording issue's, causing you to not meet our requirements, we encourage you to try to resolve these. If you need assistance with this, please request assistance in the appropriate Discord channels.

Deathmatching:
Next, the reason for the report was stated to be that the players deathmatched, giving zero demands, probably having a reason to shoot, but with zero escalation. Both players provided their reasoning.
The current (and most up-to-date) deathmatching rule does not cover any requirement for giving demands before a player could get attacked. Deathmatching requires a player to have a proper motive and interaction prior to attacking.

For the reporting party:
After looking at the provided reasons for the attacking, we do believe that the reasoning should have escalated further. However, we also believe that the reporting party should not use this rule to defend themselves from their actions when it would benefit them in specific scenarios.

For the reported party:
Before a player should get attacked, a proper IC motive and interaction (which includes escalation) should take place. Donnie_Drakk (120) stated to shoot to then hope the player would show fear and stop. However, when a player already gets attacked, we do not specifically expect the player to halt running as shooting the players gives a clear indication that running might be the best way to get to safety. A player should be held under Fear RP prior to shooting them.
In this case, we believe that the quality could have been improved by placing the player under Fear RP by chasing first and not immediately shooting. This would make sure there is a more reasonable escalation.

OOC behavior:
It goes without saying that the shown OOC behavior both in-game and in the comments on this report do not meet our expectations when it comes to respect towards each other and generally positively contributing to the community.

It is correct that staff members request players to notify each other to save any footage they might have. This is to ensure all players can provide their own footage with their statement to make it fair for everyone involved. The use of "Save POV" does not send that message to the player and is frowned upon for multiple reasons. I would like to have Jay_Lost (@Jay Lost) read the quote I have included below carefully to make sure we learn from this and to make sure we contribute to the community positively.

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Last, I would like to focus on the following part of the report requirements:

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• All responses to the player report should be factual and only reference the questions asked by the handling staff member. Commentary back and forth between players can result in forum warnings and/or further player reprimands.

The back and forth that has started in the comments on this report are simply unacceptable and we wish that the players that can find themselves back in this will keep this information in mind for in the future. We understand that there might be disagreements or frustration, but we do not want to have players carry these with them in their responses to each other. The handling staff members will ask all questions they will need to get to a conclusion to the report. Players going back and forth will only interfere staff in their reviewing.

This decision is final. Unless instructed to, if you post another player report pertaining to this incident, you may be muted from posting on the forums for a temporary period. If you disagree with the outcome of this report, please file an appeal following the appeal guidelines and format.

Regards,
Alexx, Jayyy & Yputi