Christopher_Bridge (69) Jay_Wess (108) (8. Metagaming 14. Deathmatch)

[Xerae]

Player(s) being reported: ID 69 ID 108
Date of interaction reported: 02/APR/2022.
Unix time stamp from HUD: 1648870830

Your character name: Bianca Allison
Other player(s) involved: Larry Wrzosek (ID 102)

Specific rule(s) broken:

• Deathmatching is the act of attacking a player without a proper IC motive and interaction.
• Metagaming is the act of relaying IC information through any method not considered IC that has the potential to change current or future roleplay scenarios or using that information. 
• Mixing IC and OOC information without any benefit is a minor MG offense. For example, a player uses IC chat to call someone by their player ID displayed above their head.
• Players may not have any interaction or knowledge from their alternate characters.
• Players should not intentionally base their actions and/or words based on how another player sounds, as their voice may not reflect their character. For example, a male character with a female voice does not automatically mean they are a trans man or vice versa. 

How did the player break the rule(s)?  (300 words maximum)
I was driving around with one of my friends when I heard over that there were shots and my allies were around the area so I thought that it was them in danger. We pulled in and was met by BSB who pulled up in a car and when they seen me and my driver they stepped out of their car and shouted "Shoot these retards their void their void". Me being off colors at the time and to my knowledge never /Aliased by any of them makes it seem odd that they automatically know its me by not even interacting with me previously. My Driver is NOT in Void at all during any of this. They ended up hoping out of their car not giving any demands just to "Shoot". While we drove around where shots had been fired we did not actively insert ourselves into the situation knowing it would turn into something like this. I hope this doesn't happen again which is why I am bringing this to the forums. There has been a similar situation where they have Assumed DM rights during a fight this will be posted below. I requested them to save their pov. Thank you!

Evidence of rule breach
https://streamable.com/eojq2c

This is when I notified him to save POV with PM. 

This is a similar situation where DM rights were assumed. 
https://forum.eclipse-rp.net/topic/92709-christopher_bridge-swarles_barkley-noah_hill-carl_daquarius-jack_kent-jack_dunn-zelijah_maybach-alvin_pappalia-ty_shipley-cameron_fade-dontavious_wilder-darryl_robin-hector_sandchez-deamon_neeraj-dm-nlr/#comment-372888

 

[KimeyBear101]

Pending Review with myself and @Chunder

 

[KimeyBear101]

As this involved possible staff members this will be handled by senior staff!

[Kazjii]

Please be patient whilst this is reviewed.

[Kazjii]

PENDING RESPONSE
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After reviewing this report and the evidence attached to it, we have decided that this report cannot be concluded at this time. We would like to receive a response from the following player(s) to explain their side of the story:

• [Notified In-Game] - Jay_Wess (ID 108) - Please provide your side of the story along with your POV. Additionally, in your response, please provide the backstory and events leading up to the shooting, do you believe those said events gave you the right to shoot at the two players.

• [Notified In-Game] - Christopher_Bridge (ID 69) - Please provide your side of the story along with the POV that was requested of you. Additionally, in your response, please provide the backstory and events leading up to the shooting, do you think this reserved the right to give orders to shoot?

• [Notified In-Game] - Koda_Valentino (ID 11) - Please provide your side of the story along with your POV.

• [Notified In-Game] - Jay_Valentino (ID 106) - Please provide your side of the story along with your POV.

If the requested player(s) do not respond within 24 hours, this report will be concluded based on the evidence that has already been provided, to the best of our ability. 

Regards,
Support Staff Management

[XeV]

So before I post my reply to the report I just wanna voice something that I personally have been trying to enforce/fight to get people to do and it's something that is clearly stated in the 

guidelines of player reports and that's - “Please do not take reporting another player lightly and reserve player reports for situations that have caused severe loss or were abused for benefit. Consider if you could possibly teach this player or if you've tried to come to a resolution on your own. Reporting another player should be reserved for your final options when a rule breach has occurred. Always try to teach other players in the community, especially with newer players, as well as help them truly understand your point of view prior to simply reporting them if something doesn't go your way.”

 

Now I am confused as to why this report is being made other than to fight IC actions with OOC means as nothing was lost or abused for benefit per the guidelines.

 

One other thing is the reporting party to my knowledge resolved this OOCly as I reached out to some people about it and they said “She is not gonna report we resolved it oocly”. Now I had deleted my POV from that night as I had no use for it anymore (Which is my dumb mistake) cause the reporting party was not truthful and went through with the report. I will now be holding on to my POV’S for the required 48 hours from now on to avoid something like this again. I just feel some type of way about someone trying to resolve it OOC and saying no report is being filed to then just lie and file the report anyway to get people in trouble on a grander scale. Also I encourage the reporting party to inform the people being reported. To do 'Save POV’ a little bit more detailed and better than PMing one person involved and saying “Did you save pov?”

 

So Chris had made a radio call that his shinobi was being pick locked at Railyard. I personally was rolling in for a backup call from Bruce Harding who got their first and was killed inside. The last call made from him before silence was “ITS VOID ITS VOID”. So we pulled in and as you hear Chris over frequency says “Shoot them they are void” another thing is neither the passenger or the driver have a mask on and are clearly aliased. Now I did pull my gun and aim at the two, but I did not fire a single shot at said vehicle as I was too worried about what happened to Bruce inside. Once we got to the building we saw a Void car and 4 void members, a shootout insured and the Void were killed, De-masked for identities, and finished. 

 

Now one thing I wanna ask the reporting party is why are you even inserting yourself into the situation when you heard shots fired? You purposefully inserted yourself and the driver into a dangerous situation. You had no clue as to what was happening, heard multiple shots and continued to go towards them until the sultan with green pulled up. I would understand if you were just in the area if we were fighting in the middle of the street. But your driver is driving a very expensive car down some railroad tracks behind a bus depot that you told him to go to. A guy inside clearly states “Someone's here” and you make the call to “Go in someone's here” now why are you going in at all unless its for backup? Given how late we all arrived at the backup call from Bruce and your vehicle being right where his last call was made from, I personally would see you as an ally to the killers and would deal with you as a possible threat before I push in deeper to assist my ally. 

 

Also the report that was linked as for the “assuming DM rights'' yes it was accepted but later voided of all DM claims and only left a couple NONRP’s, so i'm very confused as to how that has anything to do with this report except for the fact that some of the “Rooks” involved in that report are now some of the ‘Void'' in this one. DM is the biggest threat to people's careers on this server and I take these claims VERY seriously as they make or break 1000’s of hours for some people here.

I mean none of this in a hostile, disrespectful, or mean way I just feel some type of way about DM claims as they are SUPER STRONG on peoples record and will end ECRP careers.

If Support Staff Management would like me to respond to anything else please feel free to let me know <3.

[Chris_]

Hello, Christopher Bridge here.

I want to address a few things before I get into my reply. So, to start I am very curious as to why this report was even made. This in my opinion can be deemed as a petty report. As the Report Guidelines suggest “Please do not take reporting another player lightly and reserve player reports for situations that have caused severe loss or were abused for benefit. Consider if you could possibly teach this player or if you've tried to come to a resolution on your own.” There are two key points to take from this quote. Firstly, “reserve player reports for situations that have caused severe loss or were abused for benefit.” The reporting party suffered zero loss and we gained no advantage from shooting her. The second take away from this quote is “Consider if you could possibly teach this player or if you've tried to come to a resolution on your own.” I had a friend who is closer to Bianca than I am reach out to her to try and resolve this so as to not waste staff's time. After a long convo between the two and trying to come to an agreement and resolution from both parties Xerae states “I won't be reporting him by the way”( https://imgur.com/u8ayTMG ) which leaves everyone scratching their heads when they see this report pop up 46 hours after the initial incident. Once we received the discord PMs that weren't being reported I personally deleted my POV as it was not useful anymore and we had come to a resolution. I suppose now I will keep my POV until 48 hours after a situation because someone may just change their mind. Now I ask myself why this report was made. No one suffered any serious loss and to me and my faction just looks like attempts to hit us OOCly after her faction ICly lost a gun fight.

Next I would like to request the reporting party to show their full POV because it's clearly evident this isn't her full pov. As it can clearly be seen that in the video she is moving her camera at the same time as the footage is cut off/edited and it's only 1 minute long.

Now I will address the the accusation of MGing her involvement in Void, My Character has known Bianca for a very long time dating all the way back to Dark Army, a gang that was around in early 2021, I spent a fair amount of time with her, being as our gangs were allied at the time and learned the vehicles she possesses. Now, Bianca Allison has been seen in red and with Void members on multiple occasions, her vehicles like her Novak and Drag & Issi are red and I’ve personally seen her in all of these. I also have seen her present at Void HQ as well. All these variables adding up I have sufficient evidence and reason to fully believe she is in void. Now I was not prepared to be wildly accused of MG so I obviously do not have evidence of these claims especially since they are spread out over the course of a week or two.
Bianca has been seen all over town on her red drag wearing the same outfit. Here is footage of her inside Void HQ and if you actually look you’ll see Bianca wearing the same fit in her POV of the Shooting.
https://streamable.com/p3hu40

Here is another clip I found on my PC of Bianca on her drag in the exact same outfit, White-Tee and Blue Jeans from the reported incident as well: https://streamable.com/asqw2m

Now for the Deathmatching claim. I wanna start by making a few clear observations and statements, 
1.When there are shots being exchanged between my faction and yours that is considered an active shootout.
2. When you are a member of one of the factions rolling up to said active shootouts. You are not clueless and “just checking it out” you are backup. This is fairly obvious.
3. When I asked you in PMs “so you weren’t there to back up your gang” and also to clarify your intentions on why you were rolling up to said active shootout. You did not message me back at all…
4. If you are on the same frequency as your gang and rolling up to where there is an active shootout with your mask off and we know you are in the gang. In my opinion there is nothing that protects you from getting shot and if you think so I would say that could be deemed as rule-playing.
5. In your own words you claim “We did not actively insert ourselves into the situation knowing it would turn into something like this.” In the same instance you instruct Larry to drive you into a shootout saying “I hear a bunch of shots” so for you to say you were “just checking it out” is just not true. If driving into a secluded area, Beelining it towards shots is not inserting yourself I don’t know what is. Overall when driving directly towards shots you know are between your gang and someone else you should know your life is in immediate danger and there should be no surprise when someone identifies you when you are clearly there to back up those who are actively killing us.

Unfortunately as mentioned above I don't have any POV because Xerae had said she wasn’t reporting and I deleted it. However Jay_Valentino still had his POV and you see me run away from the car and as soon as they drove off I was more concerned with pushing the main building where the bulk of their gang was.
https://streamable.com/v9srkg

 

Edited April 6, 2022 by Chris_

[crashed.exe]

Hello Jay Wess (ID 108) here, Sadly I do not have POV of the situation at all. But the Backstory behind the situation is Chris had told us there was someone picking his bike at the train tracks. One of our members arrived there and a shooting started to happen. Chris and I arrived in the sultan shortly after due to us being close by. Chris and I then saw the Comet, he then says “they are VOID” and I had to believe him due to the fact both of them had their masks off and I personally did not have them aliased. Chris knew they were Void so we decided to shoot at the 2 in the comet believing they were backup for the VOID members due to them showing up to an Active shootout.

Edited April 15, 2022 by crashed.exe

[Jay_Valentino]

14 hours ago, Kazjii said:

[Notified In-Game] - Jay_Valentino (ID 106) - Please provide your side of the story along with your POV.

Hello Jay Valentino here, I was in the same vehicle as Koda in this situation, his reply summarises everything perfectly from our pov as we were literally in the same vehicle. 
But to quickly break it down. Chris calls out his bike was being picked, Bruce pulls up and puts the void member at gun point where three more void come out of nowhere and start shooting him, he calls it out on freq and we all converge on the location. Upon getting to the location the Comet with Bianca and Larry also arrive at the scene where there is a ongoing shootout in a very hidden area. Why else would the two be driving towards gunshots on the same freq if not to back up her gang. Some shots were exchanged between the comet and us before we pushed towards the location and dealt with the remaining void. 

Here is my pov from the situation.
https://streamable.com/v9srkg

Edited April 6, 2022 by Jay_Valentino
Grammar

[Kazjii]

@Xerae - Do you have an extended cut of your footage. If so, please upload and post it here.

[Xerae]

Unfortunately, I do not. I was driving around before and after the scene. I did crash on the game while I was checking to see if I had the video saved.

[Ranger]

[REPORT DENIED]
We would like to thank you for your patience during the duration of this report's review period.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

After reviewing this report and the evidence attached to it, we have decided to deny this report, but will be issuing the following punishment(s) to the following player(s), for the following reason(s):
 

Bianca_Allison & Larry_Wrzosek - Spoken to about Fear RP.

In this situation, you both can be seen in a car near the area of a shootout. Bianca said to go check it out, in which the driver (Larry) did so. Once entering the area of the shootout, shots were fired at the car, which is when the car fled. In this situation, we believe FearRP was broken in a minor way whereas if you were to enter the shootout to assist your allies after investigating the area and creating a strategy to assist, it would have been fine, but in this case, shots were heard, and the car was driven directly into the area of the shots. In the future, if you hear shots being fired at allies and you wish to assist, more consideration for the threat of being in a shootout should occur rather than fully sending it into a shootout where you are unsure of your foe’s positions or numbers.

Side note for Christopher_Bridge & Jay_Wess:

Although we will not be issuing punishments for this, we would still like to touch on the main issue of shooting at the vehicle.

In this situation, there was a shootout occurring between BSB and The Void. We understand that in shootouts like this, many things can happen (i.e Backup coming to assist, allies being in the area, etc), but please remember that all players should have proper escalation on each other before attacking other people, as DM rights are per player, as is the escalation. We do not believe that the shooting was ‘intentional’ DM, but you need to ensure that if a vehicle or person enters an active situation like this, you should make sure that the escalation is reasonable and just.

If you have received a punishment that you disagree with, feel free to file a punishment appeal following the punishment appeal guidelines and format. If the reporting party suffered a loss greater than $25,000 in value, feel free to file a refund request following the refund request guidelines and format.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

This report is now locked and archived.

Regards,

Support Staff Management